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Title: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on October 23, 2005, 10:53:48 AM
Hi, has any one went to poland for surgery and if so, how was it ? Thank you
I am going to go to poland in about 7 weeks as it's 60% cheaper than britain , i was just wondering if any one had any comments on surgery in eastern europe.
Ta ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: chestrockwell on October 23, 2005, 12:45:51 PM
 basicly i think its a no frills service, you go in get surgery done and you go home.

If you go down this route you realy have got to do your research as you would over hear.. but seeing as tho your out the country you have got to be a little more carefull!.

Good luck ;)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on October 23, 2005, 01:16:11 PM
Hi,
they are going to send me an information pack ;procedure, cd's featuring the good press they have recieved from european tv channels and pictures of past gyne cases.
I am just so emotionaly strained i can'e bare to wait another year to save cash up for an operation in the U.K. I am a full time student in my final year at uni ...totaly skint :) .
The polish surgeon is a member of the The American Society of Plastic Surgeons...if this means anything?
I have mild gyne so it aint going to be a major op :/ , i feel like  i am trying to convince myself....lol .
This is his web site if u want to take a look ...
http://www.plastic-surgery-in-poland.com/e-surgery.htm

One problem is that i have to fly to berlin and then get a taxi into poland....

The surgery is less than a grand, i am so confused......:) .
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: chestrockwell on October 23, 2005, 03:50:35 PM
Just taken a look at the site and it looks good..and the prices are very cheap indeed 750 euros for gyne surgery thats about £506 give or take a few quid now thats dirt cheap :).

Its all down to you now bro, you just got to do all the research you can, remember if you hear somthing that worries you..Dont go through with it!, at the end of the day its your body.

Back to the price, that is realy cheap i mean even if you add all the air fayre and taxi fees and so on you should still end up paying way less than what you would if you had the procedure done over here..unless you let me have a go.. im a dab hand with stanley knife  :D,

I dont know what else i can tell you apart from do your research, you can be our guinea pig. ;D

Good luck bro!. ;)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: chestrockwell on October 23, 2005, 04:00:47 PM
oops posted same thing twice :-/
Title: • Operation (Gynecomastia) EUR 7Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on October 23, 2005, 09:41:58 PM
Ha Ha i can be the Testing pig ;D , i like it.....i could add it it to my CV.
Yer the price is really cheap ; it works out £750 odd including stay in hospital and the general anaeshetic

•      Operation (Gynecomastia) EUR 750,-
•      Anaesthesia and one stay in the clinic after the operation  
EUR 240,-
•      One additional day at the clinic (full board)
EUr 65.

That comes to 1005 EUR and i think including easy jet flights from Newcastle to Berlin and then taxi from Berlin to the place in Poland, i can get it all for under a grand.

It seems like to much of a gift horse, but if i think logicaly Poland is a poor country compared to the U.K. so the price due to the economy os probs spot on.
I think i will go for it!!!!!!
After perusing the documents they send out ;)

Thanks for your advice and support :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Yorkshireman on October 24, 2005, 03:30:40 AM
Thats is DAMN cheap mate, but do check the place out as thoroughly as poss before going ahead with it, dont just rely on their literature, trawl the net and see who else has used them and what the results and service were like.....You need some independent opinions, and I guess this website is as good a starting point as any...

An alternative idea....how about getting an interest free credit card, theres tons of em about, get your op done here and start paying it off straight away, mate Id rather get a part time job and get the job done here than take a gamble with eastern europe. but hey this is all just my opinion.....good luck whatever you do!
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on October 24, 2005, 03:56:36 AM
I am a full time student in my final year at university so a part tme job and a credit card are out of the question.....there is another surgery in Brussels doing it for 1100-1500 and they are based in Manchester and London.....I think they fly over with you to brussels to perform the op.
I will wait to see the pictures and cd they send before i make my mind up.
I just find surgery here to be a con. :(
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: RRB on October 24, 2005, 06:54:02 AM
Im sure there are very competent surgeons in eastern europe as well as not so competent, but the same can be said of the UK.  As said before, make sure you do your homework before deciding.

I dont think surgery is a con here to be honest, its the cost of the overnight stay in the hospitals.  For instance my surgery all in cost £3655, which £1705 was for the surgeon.  It was around the £1600 in hospital fees.  £1705 is a lot for the surgeon too mind you but to be honest i dont grudge them that as they are taking on huge responsibilities during surgery.  Also when you take into account the wages dumba$$ footballers get its a drop in the ocean.  The total cost could be a lot cheaper if hospitals would just lower the costs a bit.  

That being said i forgot my consultation was £80, now that is a con really.  It would be nice if you only paid the consultation fee if you didnt go with the surgeon.

Anyway good luck which ever route you decide.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on October 24, 2005, 08:18:58 AM
Thanks for the advice.
I have emailed both of them to request pictures of past gynecomastia ops they have performed and how they intend to carry out the procedure  i, e. where would the incission be made ect .
Fingers crossed.  :) they are both good, i am also searching the net for negative feedback on them .
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: chestrockwell on October 24, 2005, 12:52:58 PM
some good advice there mate, and i hear what RRB is saying about the consultation....I mean £80 is a bit dear to be honest!, can you imagine going in to PCWorld to by a pc and when you ask for information or a demonstration they turn around after and say "that will be 80 pounds please" yer right heres my @ss pick a cheek :o, but we pay a consultation fee with no questions!

When you go for your surgery and you are sat in the waiting room with your ticket.. what looks like the type you get at the meat counter at asda...and the surgeon comes through in a dirty apron sharpening a clever!.....RUN my friend...RUN like the wind . :o

Sorry bro only joking please dont be offended ;)

Its all about Research m8, you have to find as much information as you possibly can, even the tinest detail could be important to you and your end results.

youl be good m8 keep us updated

good luck

chris.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: brother_gyne on October 24, 2005, 01:18:48 PM
Its sounds good, how about insurance if any probs develop? Would your standard travel insurance cover planned surgery. Thats not to pay for it but if complications come up - would it get you home?

Not that its the otherside of the world, you could drive there (or your parents could if you needed them), + its EU now.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on October 24, 2005, 11:16:15 PM
How much!!!! 80 quid for a consultation; I would at least expect some liposuction on my big toe for that amount!   :o
One thing that is making me a bit paranoid about some of these surgeons I have contacted is their names, Ed Gein , J Dahmer , N bates & Chaz Manson ;)

I think I will contact a private medical insurance firm from the U.K if I decided to have the surgery in Eastern Europe.
One of the polish surgeons looks to be really proficient at his work, or that could just be the magical touch of the web site developer. I have emailed him as well as several others requesting procedure techniques and pictures, so now it is just a question of waiting and keeping my fingers crossed.
I really appreciate all your advice and thoughts on this topic, as you are all well aware I am very apprehensive about surgery any where, let alone so far away from home. Like RRB said, I am also sure there are very competent surgeons in Poland it’s just a question of locating one who is familiar and up to date with gynecomastia and its removal.
Cheststock well: If I have night mares tonight about Leatherface performing surgery on me with a rusty razor blade, it’s your fault   ;) . Actually, it will be prob better than the dream I had last night…….it was Dale Wi**on chasing me with a tub of Vaseline wanting to play Doctors and Nurses……arrrrgggggghhhhhhhhh. .

;D .
I will keep you all posted , hopefully the information will arrive today .


Brother gyne: Can i take insurance with the practise againt bodged jobs?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: chestrockwell on October 25, 2005, 02:26:54 AM
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Actually, it will be prob better than the dream I had last night…….it was Dale Wi**on chasing me with a tub of Vaseline wanting to play Doctors and Nurses……arrrrgggggghhhhhhhhh. .


LMAO :D,....and i bet you fell over on purpose and let him catch you :D :D, good to see a sense of humour m8 espescialy as it seems as twisted as my own ;).
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Yorkshireman on October 25, 2005, 04:34:44 AM
Mark, do the Polish surgeons/staff speak English, as I guess this will make a pretty big difference.....
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on October 25, 2005, 07:07:49 AM
Chestrockwell: I didn't  fall over , it was more of a lunge :) ha ha .......I feel sick

Yorkshireman: Hi, included in the price is a translator.....all the web sites are in english too so i am assumin that the majority of folks at the place have it as a second language.
I went to uni in eastern europe and all the degree students have to take their modules in English regardless of subject ......so fingers crossed it shoudl be ok......:)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on October 25, 2005, 10:55:40 AM
Just found this posting on the site, it's from a guy who got his op in prague ( czech republic) . His pictures of what the surgeons has achieved are awesome...i have just emailed the surgeon to find out the total price for surgery .

follow the link :)

http://www.gynecomastia.org/cgi-bin/gyne_yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=11;action=display;num=1128178165
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Yorkshireman on October 25, 2005, 11:41:13 AM
Those results are truly fantastic!! Better than any Ive seen on this site, irrespective of surgeon....!
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on October 25, 2005, 12:07:09 PM
I think our Eastern European Friends are the DOG'S B*LLOCKS :) .
After seeing them Pictures i am really excited ; especially as my case of Gynecomastia is not as bad as his ......... wish my money i have owed form the tax man would hurry up and drop pn my mat :).

Yorkshire man: Are you interested in surgery over there?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: irish_dude on October 25, 2005, 02:04:41 PM
Here's a funny thing...

Irish dentists and dental surgeons are argueably the most well trained *and* most expensive in the world. Even more expensive than the Yanks.

So much so that a lot of Irish people are going to Poland for comprehensive advanced cosmetic treatment such as bridges, implants, crowns, etc.

But Polish dentists are equally as well trained.

However, what do you do when/if things go t*ts up? (pardon the pun).

Remember that gyne treatment is a very invasive procedure. Unlike most cosmetic dental procedures where you're attaching 'things' to existing structures, gyne treatment involves going under your skin and extracting tissue.

I was originally looking at going from Ireland to the States for my gyne treatment until I found this resource.

This isn't a decision between going down to Dagenam Dave's and an authorised Ford dealer to get some panel-beating done on your Mondeo.

Your body and health are the most precious things you own. Don't skimp. Cost should not be factor #1 in deciding a surgecial option.

Personally speaking, I looked for the best, paid a premium and I'm happy. I choose a surgeon in the UK because travelling to and from wouldn't be an issue in the event of things going wrong.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on October 25, 2005, 09:43:22 PM
Hi Irish_Dude,
I phoned one of the clinics  yesterday ; the U.K. clinics are based in Manchester and London . I asked them what would happen if i got a bodged job ( Don't ask why i used that word , guess i got tongue tied on the phone  ;D ) , they told me that if there is any problems or unsatisfactory results they will fly me back and i can get corrective surgery for free........What i should have asked is ' can i pick a different clinic ' .
I would prefer to have surgery in the U.K. as it saves me the hassle of having to fly to Polnad/Hungary or the Czech republic with some budget airline , who make you fly on the wright brothers first invention for achieving flight :( . ....i aint the most confident guy up a ladder never mind up in the air , sat on a rickety ol'e bone shaker  ;).
Before i make my choice i will peruse all documents and  info like an over zealous librarian .
I just wish i wasn't in my final year at uni so i could get a job and get them done on credit....with that MeDfinance or something like that.

How does your chest feel now?, your pics look good but oh so painfull.....did it hurt? stupid question i know :) .
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on October 25, 2005, 11:03:33 PM
Hello All,
Just got pictures off one of the surgeons......awesome work......One tiny hole for lipo and tiny cut round aola ( think it's spelt like that) .....:) . Going to phone him this afternoon.....wish me luck :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: irish_dude on October 26, 2005, 01:33:05 AM
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I would prefer to have surgery in the U.K. as it saves me the hassle of having to fly to Polnad/Hungary or the Czech republic with some budget airline , who make you fly on the wright brothers first invention for achieving flight :( . ....i aint the most confident guy up a ladder never mind up in the air , sat on a rickety ol'e bone shaker  ;).

Oh come on! CZA (Czech state airline) are one of the safest around and have a fleet of boeings.

I'd feel safer with them than on some of the 30-year old 737-B series I see Ryanair flying out of Dublin airport atm.

I didn't have *one bit* of pain - check my diary out in the diary section.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Yorkshireman on October 26, 2005, 06:30:06 AM
<Mark, Ive already had surgery in March 05 with Levick, cost me £3655 plus £80 consultation fee, results are nowhere near as good as those pics you have shown, but are slowly getting better...
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on October 26, 2005, 08:42:45 AM
Oh come on! CZA (Czech state airline) are one of the safest around and have a fleet of boeings.


Irish_dude: i meant flying to .....as in using ryan air or easy jet :) ....

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on October 30, 2005, 12:49:59 AM
All set to go , my date for surgery is the 20 th of december. This way i can have a stress free christmas and feel st nic has given me a special gift : ) , also i can start the new year a fresh :) .

Quick question : How can i post my post op pictures on here? or a link next to my name?

Cheers ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Jacob-Rb on November 02, 2005, 09:55:32 PM
Hi Mark

Dont forget to keep us all posted on how it went. Good luck
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on November 04, 2005, 04:18:18 AM
Jacob-rb :

Hello, i promise to keep every one informed of my progress. If anyone is interested about surgery in eatern europe, just message me or leave a message here. I have searched what seems like the full web for info and i have saved what appear to be the most helpfull surgerys even though they took a few month to find; i think the obsure ones are the best.....less hype and advertisments . They respond to your emails with in 3 days and send some excellent post op pictures.

Mark :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on November 20, 2005, 08:45:36 AM
Hello
I now have confirmed my operation date with what i hope is the best surgery. The surgeon has over 24 years of experience, so i'm confident about the operation . They sent me a video of the surgery and tons of pictues and info . They have also phoned me a few times and they speak perfect english.....well outs perfect comapred to my geordie :) .
With flights, 1 night hotel stay, 2 days clinc. anesthetic, bandages and care ect  it all comes to less than £1000..........meaning i can start the new year a fresh and buy some thin lambs wool jumpers , would'n wear them now as they reveal your full shape :( .......
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: chestrockwell on November 20, 2005, 03:43:55 PM
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Hello
I now have confirmed my operation date with what i hope is the best surgery. The surgeon has over 24 years of experience, so i'm confident about the operation . They sent me a video of the surgery and tons of pictues and info . They have also phoned me a few times and they speak perfect english.....well outs perfect comapred to my geordie :) .
With flights, 1 night hotel stay, 2 days clinc. anesthetic, bandages and care ect  it all comes to less than £1000..........meaning i can start the new year a fresh and buy some thin lambs wool jumpers , would'n wear them now as they reveal your full shape :( .......


Nice to hear your getting sorted m8!

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it all comes to less than £1000


wow £1000, i hope that everything goes well for you.. even tho you are that stingy.. you make scrooge look like a charity worker..LOL :D :D :D ;), im only joking bro, i wish you all the best.

how long before your surgery, what date have they given you?.

chris.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on November 20, 2005, 09:01:58 PM
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wow £1000, i hope that everything goes well for you.. even tho you are that stingy.. you make scrooge look like a charity worker..LOL    , im only joking bro, i wish you all the best.

how long before your surgery, what date have they given you?.

chris.


BAAA HUMBUG ......
If i had the £3,500 i would probs get it done here! :P .....then again that's 2,500 in my back burner. ha ha ha
I am a student trying to survive off the student loan , so as you can imagine i have already moved from heinz baked beans to Neto's OWN  :p . I am starting to go orange , which is a total bonus as you are not allowed on the sunbed after the op :P
I have been given the dates of the 15th and 16 th of December. I have to book my flights today ......so the flight will dictate the operation date....
Can't wait........I will be the only MO-Fo who is walking round the north east with no top on in the middle of january :).;.......no that's not right, nobody wears tops up here anyway ;) .

How you feeling now? how does it look?

Mark
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: uk2000 on November 21, 2005, 12:20:03 AM
good on u mark boy go 4 it.
that guy frm chezc republic had brill results, go for that surgeon.  but do yr rearch as much as possible,  email that guy as well by sending him a PM to find out more about his surgery experience.

i hope u got some 1 going with u like a freind, cos yr gna need a hand for some1 to carry all yr stuff for u. dnt go out there alone.

i mean yea sure surgery out here in uk is expensive, im not working at moment so i feel every penny spent.  if u can save money abroad why not got 4 it.  BUT as long as u done yr homework on the surgeon, the place yr getting it done frm, dnt just walk in their blind.
another bit of advice dont belevie to much wot they send u on brochures , cd, etc.    they will all be hyped up.

go to other forums, google it, wotever u can, RESEARCH more...

gd luck
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on November 21, 2005, 04:04:11 AM
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i hope u got some 1 going with u like a freind, cos yr gna need a hand for some1 to carry all yr stuff for u. dnt go out there alone.



I am going on my lonesome, i think i should be ok as the airport is a short distance from my house and when i arrive over there i will be met by some guy who takes me to the clinic ( and back to the airport when finished, so hopefully he will help with my bags...lol).

I am going to pack really light and seen as i will only be there three days i don't think i will need much . I have two different types of bag , so i am a little confused which one to take....i have a little mine one with wheels and a long extendable handle and also have a hold-all.
Which do you think would be best?

To tell the truth, the only people who know i am going to get the operation is you lot :) .

I feel excited about it though as it will be new freedom for me and also a little break ;). I hope everythig goes well and i start an influx of people to the east for surgery.....:P
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: uk2000 on November 21, 2005, 04:26:15 AM
its gna be difficult carrying any sort of bag back with u. cos after surgery yr chest will feel like u are carrying weight on u, and yr movement will bes restricted cos of this.
best thing to do is take a bag wit u full of yr shittest clothes, that u dnt wanna wear or see again.  when yr coming back just leave the bag at the hotel, so u dnt travel back with nothing but yr passport.

where u gna go now, poland or prague??
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on November 21, 2005, 05:57:45 AM
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best thing to do is take a bag wit u full of yr <excrement>test clothes, that u dnt wanna wear or see again.  when yr coming back just leave the bag at the hotel, so u dnt travel back with nothing but yr passport.



UK2000: That's a great idea , i am impressed !!! D o you wanna come over and date my sister? see if we can inject some IQ into the genes :) .

I am now 100% going to poland.....booked my ticket this afternoon ( £100 with easy jet) . The guy has got 24 years experience and is the senior surgeon :)

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: uk2000 on November 21, 2005, 06:32:00 AM
yr sis may not like me, as she may say like her bro i once had gyne  ;D    or she might say im still not flat lol.

well mark wish u good luck, if i had my gyne still i wud have went wit u like a bandit lol
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on November 21, 2005, 07:15:57 AM
You haven't seen my sister  :P .

Dam shame you have already had it!!! if we both went and left our gear behind at the hospital we could make it look like a disapearing act....ha ah ah, you can just imagine interpol flying all over looking for two brits and two terrorists who have half-inched their passports :) .

You could come for just the shopping......cheap tabs and vodka ha ha
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on November 22, 2005, 12:13:45 AM
Hi Mark,

It's Ace from B'ham. Before I had the guts to post, I spent about a monts reading posts and have followed your trail.

So at last you;ve decided for Poland. I wish u the best man, I hope the results are as good as the Czech place.

I'm gonna await ur feedback and most likely end up spending my xmas bonus there !!!!
cheers
Ace
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on November 22, 2005, 04:01:59 AM
Hi Ace,
Yep finaly decided on poland.....there is some really good clinics in Hungaryand the Czech Republic ect ...but it is far easier for me to travel to Poland from Newcastle and i believe this clinc to be on a par with my other choices ,so i am not too nervous or apprehensive about the surgery .
I think spending your Xmas bonus  in eastern Europe is a great idea , if this surgery goes well ( which i am 99% sure it will) it will hopefully open the doors to others on this site who find surgery in the U.K extortionit .
It's a shame i did not put more thought into my plans and arranged it earlier ,as i would have been able to find some fellow travellers off this site.......Surgery and sexy eastern european women . :) .

I have opted for local as the thought of being put to sleep is a little scary! :P

Thank for the good luck , i may need it.......does anybody know how to say ' British embassy ' or 'Ambulance ' in Polish? :P
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on December 03, 2005, 03:37:01 AM
Well , i only have 11 days to wait and then i will be on my way to Poland for a nip & tuck. It feels like the days are dragging ,but with each new day comes more fear :( .I have sent the clinic an email requesting local rather than general ; i think local will be less scary and i can keep an eye on him just incase he wants to take a peak at me sausage and eggs :) . One thing i am worried about is xmas day , i will be beack from poland on the 17 th but that only leaves me 8 days till xmas.....do u think my chest will be up the the knocks from excited family kids......i always throw them abaout....this time it will be a big no......just worried incase they take me down like a pride of lions......
How much should i have healed within 10 days.....i have very mild gyne, i am 26 and average fitness....cheers
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on December 13, 2005, 08:54:54 PM
Ok Lads , i am off on my little adventure today........speak to you sunday :) .
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: phantom on December 13, 2005, 09:04:24 PM
Very best of luck.  Hope it brings you all that you want!
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on December 17, 2005, 12:07:08 PM
I am alive :) ......
What an experience and well worth it........
I landed in Berlin and got a taxi to the german & polish border ( 40 mins) to a little calles Slubice .
The clinin was very modern and the staff were very welcoming and put me straight at east....( i have been private over here before due to an industrial accidet , but this clinic was 20 times better :)) .
Has the op...just lipo no excission.....
don't really no what else to write as i am a little tired...but if you have any questions just ask.....:)....
oh, i got my vest for 20 quid too......:) ......
I might book myslef in for something else just so i can be waited on again........
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: limaecho on December 17, 2005, 01:23:46 PM
Glad you see it all went fine under the knife Mark, and you're back in one piece. Why no excission though? Does that clinic ONLY do lypo. Or did the PS say there was no gland at all? Seems strange that's all. Do you have some before and after pics as well? Because I'm considering going down the same route if I can't bring myself to pay levick! If you don't have your before n after could you post some that you got from the PS?

And what did your chest look like? Alot better or hard to tell because of swelling and bruising?

Cheers mate.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on December 17, 2005, 01:35:24 PM
Hi, thanks...
Chest looks better but hard to tell with the swelling.......He had a good feel about and siad lipo is best......this didn't scare me a NHS said the same after ultra- sound . He removes some of the gland with the lipo stick.....:)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on January 30, 2006, 06:11:45 AM
It's about Poland, so I didn't know if i should start a new  thread or continue with this one.

I PM'd the below to Mark but I'll post here too. I'm looking to Europe for surgery, can afford £1k comfortably but not te £3.5+ for the UK. Located in B'ham and being pretty central, I can go to any European clinic, but good feedback will sway me, such as Mark's.


'Hi Mark and Congrats on your work.

I did write biefly to u in Nov in one of the posts, when made your mind up for Poland.
I understand that the whole experience was frst class and not a 'scam'. The final result will be evident after some time.

I too am ready to have surgery done abroad also now, and wanted to check which European Clnics you 'painstakingly' researched.

Apart from Poland, was it Czech Republic and Hungary?
Would you be kind enough to pass webiste details for these and any other opinion that you may have.
I think Czech would be mnore suitable from me.

looking forward to hearing from you mate.
Thanks
Ace  '
Title: http://www.estetika.pl/english.pRe: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on January 30, 2006, 08:13:58 AM
Gutted!!!!! just wrote a massive reply and my pc crashed.......sh*t!

Hello Ace,
Sorry for the delay in replying but i have been overloaded with uni work.

Yer, i researched loads of clinics in Hungary,Poland,Czech Republic & Romanina.....lol.I chose the one i did because of the service, cost and travel . My first choice was to difficult to reach , though now you can travel there with ryan air from east midlands.
My first choice was a clinin in wroclaw and the Surgeon sent some amazing post op pictures....i was very impressed.
Why would you prefer the Czech republic? to make a bit of a holiday? It's just that the clinincs in Prague are expensive due to our friends they Americans...lol. and the ones that are cheap are off the beaten track are difficult to reach as cheap airlines only fly to Prague and Bruno.....you could always get the surgery in poland or Hungary and then catch the train into the Czech republic for a nice break :) .

http://www.plastic-surgery-in-poland.com/e-contact.htm

http://www.knakiewicz.wroc.pl/face.php

http://www.estetika.pl/english.php?id=e-ciesinski

http://www.janky.hu/english/gallery/photoalbum.asp?cat=zsir

The last web page is for Hungary and has some pretty good results....My first choice is the second one in the list.....I have more....it's just hard finding them again as i deleted them from my favourites......but if you def want the czech republic i will find some for you.....
I will be going to Prague in easter and i will also be there for the full summer, so if you need help and you are in poland i would be happy to help you find your chosen clinic as i used to live in the czech republic.

speak to you soon....

Mark

Hope this helps
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on January 30, 2006, 08:42:20 AM
Thanx for the detailed reply, i'll go thru the links in due course. Your the tops !

Czech republic - because I've been there before - how lame is that for an excuse. Hey but if our US cousins have raised the price ... then ... !

But based on your very positive experience I am leaning towards Poland,

anyway i'll update here in a couple of days

cu later
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on January 30, 2006, 11:45:12 AM
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Czech republic - because I've been there before - how lame is that for an excuse. Hey but if our US cousins have raised the price ... then ... !


Cousins? i prefer to think of them as our distant cousins....like the chimp....lol .

Where did you visit? I will be staying there for another three months this summer.Ican't wait :) .

Get a flight to poland , then a train after the procedure to Prague and the you can fly back to the U.K. from there...:) .
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on February 08, 2006, 02:09:22 AM
Well i've contacted Andreas and will be sent the info packs this week for Poland.

The only thing is that the flight to Berlin is from Stansted London and I'm in Birmingham , which is not a problem going out. But returning back will that be too much effort/pain to drive 120 miles, 48 hours after an op ???

How was your driving exprience back Mark /others?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on February 08, 2006, 08:59:45 AM
Alright mate,
I was fine driving , but i only had to travel 40 miles each way. I will see if i can find you a cheaper flight and closer to home :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on February 08, 2006, 09:10:13 AM
Hey, you can fly from east midlands to berlin schoenfield with ryan air ( www.ryanair.com) . If you book the tickets 8 wks in advance you can purchase them for about £5 . The distance from birmingham to east midlands airport is only 44 miles .
Good luck with the op :) .
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Hypo-is-here on February 10, 2006, 02:26:03 PM
What happens if all does not go well?

What legal remedy do you have under Polish law?

What happens if you develop a haematoma etc, I mean would they just kick you out the hospital or what and how would you deal with the matter in terms of staying in the country?

I am not saying this to be a git, I am raising worst case scenarios just so you can do your homework and cover yourself.

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on February 11, 2006, 01:47:35 AM
The clinic wuld prefer you to stay with them for 5-7 days or in poland. But i wanted to go after three night in poland.
For the Heamatoma you are given injections and tablets each day to prevent any such problems, i was even given a small injection to take home with me .
Poland is part of the EU, so i am guessing we will have the same rights.
If you need a revision it is done for the price of the accomodation and knock out juice :) .
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Hypo-is-here on February 11, 2006, 03:08:05 AM
That is impressive that the clinic want people to stay for that period of time, certainly a good sign.

As for the possibility of haematomas, frag injections help to try and prevent them by thining the blood but they do not stop haematoms from occuring in all patients.

But my question was not really about haematomas so much as it was about what happens if you have complications that require further medical treatment and or a prolonged stay abroad.

What I would say is do NOT guess that Poland has the same legal rights and remedies as the UK merely because they are in the EU- because that will NOT be the case.

Assumption if you are the one who ends up unlucky and have complications can be the mother of all F ups.

But like I say I am not saying this as some aside to knock going to this clinic and having surgery there, for all I know it might be brilliant.  

I'm only saying what I am because it pays to do your homework so that all scenarios are covered especially when having something like this done in a foreign country.

Guys looking to do this should get the low down on what hapens in worst case scenarios and not assume it will be all peaches and cream....I mean it isn't like always peaches and cream in the UK so why should it be abroad?

P.S

Free revision, the duration of the stay and the fact that they are giving patients frag injections all sounds good though.  In fact nothing you have said sounds bad

I hope they don't use the term knockout juice though  :o Haha- just joking :D









Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on February 11, 2006, 03:16:17 AM
I think the knock out juice is some poten polish vodka :) .

I had a really great time when i went over, it felt great to be waited on by hand and foot :) .
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on February 23, 2006, 01:02:34 AM
Gang,
I have now booked at the Slubice clinic for the 27th March. Going one day before for sight seeing.

Mark,
thanx for all your pointers, in the forum and via PM's on all aspects, operation, social etc.

will keep u posted
ta

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on February 23, 2006, 12:44:39 PM
 ;D Good luck mate, really pleased for yer.

Remember germany is just a five min walk over a bridge ;) . ... check it out too :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: bigbob on February 25, 2006, 04:18:48 AM
hi, just come back from poland surgery 2 days ago. The clinic itself was very good, better than what you would get here even. I felt the consaltasion was a bit rushed and although they told me there would be a translator presesent there wasn't anyone who could speak fluent or even very good english.

I felt I needed the glands taken out, but there were 3 surgeons all telling me I only needed lipo so I went with their advise which I think was a bit of a misstake. At the moment I look about the same as when I went in (5 days ago) and can still feel the gland.

Anyway all in all it only came to about £1k. markashleigh1979 mate how long did it take you to see a difference? was there much of one? I've got the feeling there won't be much change.

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on February 25, 2006, 05:36:12 AM
Hi,
You should have pressed for the excission.......but then again i haven't seen your before pics :) .
I found the Female Docs English to be good , though i think she had problems with my geordie accent...lol.

I noticed a differrence after two- three weeks.....remember your chest is really swollen and you should notice the final result at about three months.

Don't let this scare you : I am going back for revision surgery in 6 wks ( Just need to pay for the flight and
hospital stay ) . I am happy with the reults from the lipo and my chest is a lot smaller and i now wear t-shirts.....though my chest is pointy due to the gland which i now want removed.....

Don't spend  too long worrying.........you will know for sure in a few weeks, just relax :) ......it will be swelling and scar tissue. My chest looks great......i am just a vain bugger who wants an ironing board chest......lol

How did you find the food and your stay?

i am still noticing a diff every day.....at this rate i might not need to go back...i am 2.5 months post op.............

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on March 11, 2006, 10:19:37 AM
Hi Big Bob: Hows the chest looking now? i now on PM you siad there has been a big reduction in swelling and its looking loads better....any more improvements?

Ace:Are you excited for the op? Rememeber to push for gland excission :)

I go back on the 9 th for my revision......can't wait...bring on the summer:P
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: bigbob on March 13, 2006, 06:48:58 AM
hi mate, chest has completly healed now (4 weeks). maybe a slight bit of swelling but nothing noticable.

Theres a definate slight improvment but I would recommend to anyone to push for gland removal.

It's a bit gutting I have to wait 4 months for a revision.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on March 13, 2006, 09:21:41 AM
You only have three months left ,mate . ;D

I have a month left, can't wait to get these puppies cut-out..lol.

The lipo has improved my confidence .When i was pre gyne i used to go to the gym alot...but once i got it, i couldn't see the point as no amount of exercise would remove them......but now they are a lot smaller and i know that soon i will be finaly gyne free....i am hitting the gym full on :) .

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on March 14, 2006, 01:02:33 AM
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Ace:Are you excited for the op? Rememeber to push for gland excission :)

:P



Dam right i'm excited, it's the only thing i'm looking to this half of the year, im due in about 14 days. going one day earlier for sight seeing !

Actually I did just email u with regards to compression vest, did u buy your own, or through clinic (80 Eur= £56) or other ie beg , borrow, steal !!!

After what I 've heard in the posts, i'm definitely gonna push for gland

laters
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on March 14, 2006, 01:11:30 AM
Hi Mate, just emailed you.

I got my vest from the clinic....i don't think mine cost that much...but then again everything was cheaper at the clinic than what had been qouted :) .

Remember to take some english mags ( unless you can speak german or polish)...I think you should take a walk across the bridge to see what is in Frankfurt.....just to be nosey...lol.

Good luck mate, really pleased for yer .
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on March 14, 2006, 03:11:52 AM
Mark got ur mail , thanx,

As I mentioned in the mail, I have won £100 in the premium bonds which arrived this morning, which will take care of my flight, hotel and meal costs - which leaves me with the xtra money for excision and vest - Even though I had previously budgeted for all this and it was still in the £950 range - which wasn't pinching me that much.

Is it usual to be as excited as I am, as if it were an adventure of some sort, or should I be more apprehensive - It is an operation after all.  It's probably due to the fact that it's an op that I want , as opposed to being 'forced ' to have one as a result of an injury or illness. I hope that makes sense or i'm probably just blabbering - so i'll shut up.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on March 14, 2006, 04:12:21 AM
i was really excited and still am :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on March 15, 2006, 09:35:50 AM
Ace .......ONLY 12 DAYS LEFT MATE!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ollie on March 18, 2006, 12:01:20 PM
Hi Guys,

I have just got back this evening from Sublice. Had my surgery on 16th.

I would like to Thank Mark for hunting this place out cause I wouldn't have found it on my own.

You must do as Mark says and take a good book o magazine with you, I got so bored of watching CCN for the last 2 days.  

Mark what food did you get given was it the bread and salad  for breakfast and dinner and the cup of tea with no milk?

I dont think I will be able to sleep tonight I think I have slept for about 30 hours the last 2 days.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on March 18, 2006, 12:24:56 PM
Hi Ollie,
I am glad to hear everything went well. I am really pleased that i have given people the confidence to opt for surgery abroad and that those with limited funds don't need to suffer anymore :) .
What did you have done? Excission and lipo?

Ha ha ha cnn done my head in, lol . But at 8 on a night one of the channels turns into the Jay leno show :) .

Yep, same food.....I liked the dinner , the one with choice of chicken and chips or pork....the soup starter was also nice, but i have to say i wasn't keen on blackcurrent flavoured tea....lol .

Did you go for a walk around Slublice? Cool little place, reminds of the towns James bond gets chased through by lada police cars...lol

I am going back next month for a revision...i am happy with the results so far but i do neet to ave the gland removed.

Keep us posted bud :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ollie on March 19, 2006, 09:10:03 AM
Yeah I went for a walk down to the market but there were only 2 stalls selling clothes.

They said that I would only need lipo I pointed out that the gland was quite large but they said lipo would fix it. I just had a feel and even with the swelling I can still feel the gland.

I will see how I feels in a month and like you may go back if need be.

I must also point out how quick they are when you get there. Was it the same for you? I arrived at 9am on the dot taken straight to my room. 10 mins later had IV put in and blood taken. Another 10 mins and went for consultation. Then anesthesiologist came in had 5 min chat and then straight to surgery. I hadn't prepared myself for it to be so soon after getting there.

The nurses were fantastic and do really look after you. I did have the dinner on friday I couldnt finish it all and even now still dont have my appitite back yet.

Looking forward to how your revision surgery goes Mark and hopefully yours will be sorted once and for all.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on March 19, 2006, 09:14:30 AM
Do you have any before pics :) ?

Yep, my surgery was the same....nice and quick no long wait :)

Do you think you had more gland than fat or vice versa....or equal :) lol.

Did you have any problems at the airport security? lol....i set the matel detertor thing off with the zipper on my compression vest  :-[
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ollie on March 19, 2006, 09:27:18 AM
God your quick :)

I have some pictures I loaded on my old laptop but trying to find where I saved them.

They only took 300cc out which doesn't seem alot and the gland seems alot larger. When I was having the consoltation he had a feel and said there wasn't much gland there but i've been feeling these babies for the last 10 years and know whats there. But then again he's the expert.

Mental detector didn't go off for me but to be honest I was thinking it might do.

I will take some pics and hunt out the other ones and then get you opinion on it. If you dont mind ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on March 19, 2006, 09:35:01 AM
Yer sure, i will give you my two pence worth :P .

Mine is def gland....as i stupidly took steroids a few years back, without having the common sense to take an eostrogen blocker :(....which resulted in me getting gynecomastia  :o......but at least in  a few weeks all will be resolved ...lol.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: orrible on March 19, 2006, 11:02:17 AM
My friends experience here:-

http://www.gynecomastia.org/cgi-bin/gyne_yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=8;action=display;num=1142805614;start=0#0
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: orrible on March 19, 2006, 11:03:10 AM
Ollie were you their on the 17th, my mate reckons their was an english guy in the next room?
Title: Ace's Trip
Post by: ace on March 30, 2006, 06:43:45 AM
‘You have 4 nipples’
‘I’m sorry?’
‘The Doctor, he say you have 2 extra nipples’.

Sorted. All I needed now was a gold cigarette lighter that re-assembled into a gun, and a Hawaiian midget to do my bidding. 8)

Well Gang, I’m back, so you can officially tick me off the Poland tally chart. ;)

First things first. The appointed agent based in Germany, for the Polish Clinic, is the primary contact and also the primary source for confusion, mixing things up and not getting back to you in time. Where a simple one line answer will suffice, he will give you a paragraph, then prompting you to ask the same question again 2 days later. ???

But based on what I finally properly managed to extract out of him 20 hours before I left (although the original q’s were posed 45 days before),  the op and costs were as stated, not a penny more not a penny less.

I had the lipo and gland excision by the way, and even now, looking down whilst swollen it’s a chest I don’t recognise. Flatter. ;D

Mark, you will remember I pm’d you before I left, to demistify the following classic as received by us respectively:

“There are two reasons for an enlarged male breast. This can either result from an accumulation of fat or from enlarged glands. In both cases you qualify for an operation.
If you have enlarged glands the surgeon will remove this excess tissue directly (750 euros).
In case of accumulation of fat a liposuction will be used.
The difference in price between the two operation procedures is only 30 EUR, the liposuction being the more expensive one”

You read this as

Gland Removal is                  750 euros
Gland Removal and Liposuction is      780 euros


The follow up contained

“In very rare cases a combination of both liposuction and gynecomastia might be necessary. This doesn't pose any problems but it is more expensive (1200 EUR) as this type of surgery is more complicated”


What transpired was that he actually meant, and all he had to say was

Gland Removal is                  750 euros
Liposuction is                  780 euros

this would mean that both procedures together will cost 1530 euros, however both together can be discounted to 1200 euros.


An additional leaflet, which is straight forward, that lists costs for different lipo body parts , explains the above costs are for the specific Operations , not the anaesthetic, clinic stay or bandages – they are priced clearly and listed separately. Regardless of op to be had, lipos, gyno, re-shapes etc there is always a 325 euros charge on of the total op price. (The price list can be viewed here  http://www.esculap-service.de/english/plasticsurgery/pricelist.htm)

This is broken down to       325 euros = 260 euros + 60 euros.

260 euros :
1 night stay at clinic following op
general anaesthesia
comsultation with chief surgeon
blood test - if done before 10 am (after 10am it is extra 15 euros)
interpreter service
medicine and dressings and injections
stitch removal (if you happen to pop back 10 days later!)

65 euros:
one additional day at the clinic – full board.

Two nights stay after the op is the minimum recommended – pref a week – But believe me 2 is about right. :D

On top of this the only other clinic cost is the compression vest 80 euros – or u can provide your own – they order them in anyway, it’s not as if they have a stock pile and want to sell you their own.

If all this is understood before hand then there should be NO problems.

This goes back to Stonecold’s mate who apparently paid an extra £200 on top of what he was quoted. Well he was or he wasn’t. He was quoted the right prices for his ops, but it look like he was not made aware of the clinic costs – well nor was I specifically, but these are listed in the e-mail attachment that is sent, as well as the post that is sent. So that magical £200 was the equivalent 325 euros.

What should be sent out to people by the Agency is simply
Gland Removal is                  750 euros  + 325 euros (clinic Package)=1075 euros
Liposuction is                        780 euros  + 325 euros (clinic Package)=1105 euros
Gland Removal and Liposuction is       1200 euros+ 325 euros (clinic Package)=1525 euros.

The reason I’m labouring on the cost aspects (it’s the auditor coming out in me) is well, they are one of the primary factors for those considering surgery in Poland, otherwise they would have got it done in the UK and having read different posts were people were ‘under or over charged’. I think we need to get this clear for any prospective colleagues and even for those of us who have been and were thought to be hard done..




My Total Clinic costs were as follows, and which I was aware of and had calculated before I left:

1200 euros       Liposuction and Gland removal  
260 euros       1 night stay clinic stay + consulations , general anaesthetic etc
65 euros      2nd night stay full board
80 euros      compression vest

1605 euros Total = 1600 euros.


“Stonecold’s post on 21/03/06
The extra 200 euros my friend paid on top of that, but has no idea why.

So in total my friend paid for gland excission and lipo 1600 euros, which included the vest, tests and anethestic etc”


Remaining costs are, since you land in Berlin Germany, a Polish taxi driver is arranged to meet you and drive you about 45 miles to Poland. The journey each way costs 60 euros = 120 euros. On top of that was my airfare of £41 and £20 to the airport and back.


So in conclusion my operation from my door, back to my door cost me £1265. 8)

As for other points in brief
The clinic was first rate and very clean
Nurse Staff were friendly and helpful – depends who u got I think
Antonio – a squashed version of Eddie Izzard – was the translator and very very  helpful, always checking on me during the stay and proffering advice and being re-assuring.
No problem with discussing gland vs lipo or vice versa ;)
Op via underneath nipples
General anaesthetic – closed my eyes – opened my eyes – op done – two hours lapsed. wow !
The midday lunches were amazing – those gals can cook.
Obligatory fruit teas with no milk – whether you wanted them or not :-/
Salad breakfasts
89 channels  - showing quiz programs or serials ‘n’ soaps in either German or Polish.
CN bloody N – on channel 2 >:(

Mark has given me plenty of tips, as I have pm’d him relentlessly over the past month – but the best one he gave is to take a laptop /portable dvd player/ books or magazines in English. You won’t realise how much you miss or love the language until you are there.
This is the ideal time to watch a complete season/series on DvD that you couldn’t normally put 16 hours a day aside for. I suggest ‘24’, that’ll kill some Real Time, or Star Wars Trilogy all over again.  ;D

By the way Mark was it you who ripped the bottom half of page 94 from the Polish Hello magazine? I was at least trying to follow the story via the pictures ! ::)

Just remembered and worth mentioning that there is a 10% discount on subsequent ops at the same time and the overall cost will be cheaper.

So if you had
Chest Lipo + gland combo at 1200 euros (counts as one op)  then a Lipo of the lower belly is 680 euros – which is then minus 10 % ie 68 euros = 612 euros.

All this would then incur a single clinic package charge  of 325 euros on top.

If you think I’ll get the chest done today and the belly next month, you won’t get the 10% discount, you’ll have to pay 325 euros for the clinic package /stay again, as well the 160 euros cab fare – and your flight obviously. So it is worth going through the price list to see if you want to combine with anything else.


These were some of the things on my mind, any other specifics please do let me know.

Oh, the 4 nipples; I have a tiny ball bearing sized blemish 2 inches below each nipple, which I though were just that, blemishes, birth marks, beauty spots whatever. Apparently it’s quite common and something to do with the template when we are forming as foetuses. Some of these blemishes may sit on a small flabby bit of the body - roughly were the top section of a six pack would be) – which would exhibit an extra ‘breast’.

Well that’s what I paid for, the services of an intrepeter. ;)

Ace
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on March 30, 2006, 07:02:09 AM
 ;D Excellent mate , congratulations!!!!! I bet you feel great :) . I am really glad you had a good experience !!! 8)
Will you be posting any Pics?
Did you explore the village and frankfurt?
Did they say anything about the influx of gyne patients? I hope they send me a cheque ....lol

Four nipples? I hope he made the incission under the correct ones :P .

Really Happy for you mate  ;D .

Did you have any trouble at the german airport due to the metal zipper on the compression vest? lol
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on March 30, 2006, 07:20:59 AM
Ace, that's brilliant mate. Just the info i needed before i go over on 8th May.

How do you feel at the moment, pain or just uncomfortable? Did they not try and talk you out of gland removal like others?

Must say i needed to hear a good response from you or my nerves would of fell to pieces. ;D

Also, do you have to order the vest before you go or is it done when your there?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on March 30, 2006, 07:25:56 AM
Mark,
Because I was prepared, with some of your hindsight, I had a positive experience indeed.
Actually Baranski did want to know why there had been so many brits there for Gyno, was it that the doctors were reluctant to perform Gyno in the UK or was it more expensive - I answered somewhere between the 2.

I had a walk around Slubice, How come all the women were a size 10 and all wore blue jeans? No dresses, skirts etc but Blue Jeans??? It was as u said previously something that James Bond would be chased around by Ladas.

The detector didn't go off at the airport but I was really dreading it, they didn't look the friendliest bunch in the first place.

I'm gonna try and take some 'after' pix this weekend and will post soon.

At the moment I need tips for maximum compression, if I do something I want to do it right. Got a medium vest for a 39 inch chest ( I don't know why I thought it would be white complete vest rather than a black mesh one?).

and all said and done thanks bud, if you hadn't done it, neither would I.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on March 30, 2006, 07:34:06 AM
Hi Ian,

You tend to order the vest via the person who is arranging your op, which will be our friend at Germany no less.

At the moment I don't feel any pain, just slight numbness which is getting better day by day. They have given me antibiotics and pain killers to take evry 12 hours. I'm due in half an hour. Will get the stitches taken out next weds /thursday.

Anything else, just post or Pm me, it can be nerve  racking, especially driving on a never ending German motorway with a Polish taxi driver - u tend to think Christ what am I doing here??? But we all had the benefit of Mark's experience.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on March 30, 2006, 08:12:15 AM
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Anything else, just post or Pm me, it can be nerve  racking, especially driving on a never ending German motorway with a Polish taxi driver - u tend to think Christ what am I doing here But we all had the benefit of Mark's experience


HA HA HA , i had the big polish taxi driver too....He didn't say a word to me ( couldn't speak english too good), but boy could he sing a Hasselhof tune and cheesey 70's Brit pop.... 8). In all my life i have never been in a car that was older than me but could out run a porsche...lol. Then again he may have had concrete boots and no breaks :P .

Yep all the women do tend to have the blue jeans......but i think a size 10 in blue jeans is GREAT!!!! Compared to our fat british women who wear ski pants "ouch"...lol

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The detector didn't go off at the airport but I was really dreading it, they didn't look the friendliest bunch in the first place.


Damn.....lol. I guess it's just me who went through that awfull experience......oh the shame of everybody watching as made up some lame excuse for wearing , what appeared to the security guard to be a womans corset.....lol. ...It may be your turn Ian89.....lol, or mine when i go back next week......lol :P ::)

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Actually Baranski did want to know why there had been so many brits there for Gyno, was it that the doctors were reluctant to perform Gyno in the UK or was it more expensive - I answered somewhere between the 2.


Lol, i can just imagine there faces when i turn back up....lol . They will either be happy with the reccomendations or upest with the increased work load  :P....I hope they give me a sexy polish bride as a reward for being a good little boy...lol

Ace i was thinking about you on the day of your op.....but not in a gay way...honest!! lol. I had an interview the same day.....i was really stressed but i thought about how nervous you must be ....it made me feel a little more calm....and then i made myself a bet with God ( As yer do when bored..lol) , that if you have a good experience then i will get the job....lol....SO i wil wait for the job offer now...lol 8)

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on March 30, 2006, 08:27:31 AM
By our German friend you mean Andreas? I'll email him and get the vest ordered.How the hell do you measure what size you need? ???

I had an email telling me the taxi driver will meet me at the airport and his name is Richard!! ;D Nice traditional polish name.

I hope it doesn't happen to me in the airport, i seem to get stopped and checked normally at airports(must look dodgy) but having to explain why and what i'm wearing would be a nightmare.

Ace, do you know how much they took out of you?

Mark i'd like to echo what Ace has said, without you taking the initial "risk" i would never of thought of this route, thanks mate. Good luck with the job.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on March 30, 2006, 08:47:52 AM
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By our German friend you mean Andreas? I'll email him and get the vest ordered.How the hell do you measure what size you need?  


I got mine from the clinic ( Skin coloured) , they measure you on the day of surgery and order it .....by the time it comes to remove the bandages your vest has arrived...i think i got mine for about £ 30 .

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I hope it doesn't happen to me in the airport, i seem to get stopped and checked normally at airports(must look dodgy) but having to explain why and what i'm wearing would be a nightmare.


Ha ha it could be worse, some tw*t in the que shouting " told you he was a cross-dresser".... :-[ :P

My friend gets stopped too.....he is half irish and half libian...so when he goes on family holidays he spends most of it in customs....lol.

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Mark i'd like to echo what Ace has said, without you taking the initial "risk" i would never of thought of this route, thanks mate. Good luck with the job.


You are welcome,it feels fantatic that so many people are able to go abroad with confidence.....i feel really proud of myslef that it is helping so many...it feels great to be helping others :) . Shame i can't telp people at the job interviews about my risk taking and empathic nature...lol :) .

Are you the 8th of April or May?
Excited?


Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on March 30, 2006, 08:56:21 AM
8th May. I'm not sure how i feel yet, i'm trying to put it out of my mind. I am feeling alot happier now ace has reported back with his experience, just can't imagine not having them anymore, what am i gonna play with... ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on March 30, 2006, 09:23:10 PM
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8th May. I'm not sure how i feel yet, i'm trying to put it out of my mind. I am feeling alot happier now ace has reported back with his experience, just can't imagine not having them anymore, what am i gonna play with...  


Buy some plastic ones from a joke shop, for the times you feel lonely and miss them :P.

Or you could get the real thing ....but attached to a woman  ;D.

8th of May... ;) Not long now...are you crossing off the weeks in your diary?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on March 30, 2006, 09:54:05 PM
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Buy some plastic ones from a joke shop, for the times you feel lonely and miss them :P.

Or you could get the real thing ....but attached to a woman  ;D.

8th of May... ;) Not long now...are you crossing off the weeks in your diary?



;D My girlfriend is coming with me, she's already joked about having mine took out and put into her.....(well i hope she was joking  ;)) so technically i would still be able to play with mine. :o

It's a week after my birthday i go, so i'm using then as my day from there to focus on what i'm having done and try and get ready for it mentally. Till then i'm just not thinking about it (too much) and days are flying past.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on March 30, 2006, 11:02:58 PM
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By our German friend you mean Andreas? I'll email him and get the vest ordered.How the hell do you measure what size you need? ???

I had an email telling me the taxi driver will meet me at the airport and his name is Richard!! ;D Nice traditional polish name.


Ace, do you know how much they took out of you?

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Ian,
Yes my Friend, you have also been touched by the stick of Andreas. He  asked me for my measurement, nipple x all the way back to nipple x and apparently ordered it 2 weeks back. Which probably explains why it still hadn’t arrived 3 hours before I was due to leave on the 2nd day after the op.
But I had Antonio on the case who checked and traced progress with the supplier of the vest. If it hadn’t turned up they would have compressed me some other way, bandages etc temporarily.

If I had the time, I would have probably preferred to purchase the vest my self beforehand to make sure I was happy with it and it gave the coverage / compression I wanted etc.

One more Andreas classic, in all his mails he didn’t mention about eating on the day of surgery. I got to the clinic about 8.30 am, dressed, blood tested by 9am. Then Antonio asks me if I have had breakfast. I’d had a pear which I told him. Because I’ve never had an op in my life, I don’t know what the procedures and protocols are, I expect people to prepare / tell me. Because of the slight nerves, I thought he was asking to make sure if I had had enough breakfast, for energy levels. What transpired was that I shouldn’t have eaten six hours before the surgery because of the anaesthetic. Marvellous. Now I had to wait till 2pm for my op, and they saw 2  others first. Needless to say I was starving by 2, in that case at least I could have had a full breakfast instead of a sodding pear.

Ian,
just ask questions relentlessly on whatever aspects from Andreas, from those of us that have been to the clinic, the more prepared you are, the less you will be let down and will have a positive experience. My whole experience and questions to ask was based on posts and insight from Mark, Phantom, Stonecold to name a few.

I’ll post separately later on how the Consultation went.


I had approx 250ml rhs and 270ml lhs
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on March 30, 2006, 11:05:27 PM
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HA HA HA , i had the big polish taxi driver too....He didn't say a word to me ( couldn't speak english too good), but boy could he sing a Hasselhof tune and cheesey 70's Brit pop.... 8). In all my life i have never been in a car that was older than me but could out run a porsche...lol. Then again he may have had concrete boots and no breaks :P .


Ace i was thinking about you on the day of your op.....but not in a gay way...honest!! lol. I had an interview the same day.....i was really stressed but i thought about how nervous you must be ....it made me feel a little more calm....and then i made myself a bet with God ( As yer do when bored..lol) , that if you have a good experience then i will get the job....lol....SO i wil wait for the job offer now...lol 8)



Mark,
So the cabby never talked to you either, that’s good to know, I thought he just hated me! Yep the taxi driver is called Richard and is about 19feet tall. He’s got one of the first ever VW Passats built, and it’s in Christmas tree green flaky paint. The seat belts jus about click and the car is strewn with receipts. Which was great; it just wouldn’t have been the same authentic experience in a new S Class Mercedes or 7 series BMWs that whiz past.
Yep he tried to sing to every song on the radio from John Lennon to Madonna. U gotta hear he’s rendition of the Doll’s Don’tcha.

You can tell he is basically a decent guy, but because he can’t speak English he doesn’t say much, just nods regardless of what u ask him. He’s just doing a pre-determined job and all the words he needs to know are ‘clinic, airport, 60 euros and Passport (to show at the German /Polish border control)’.

I don’t what’s worse having a skin coloured vest or a black one if stopped at the airport. Yours would appear as if you have some sort of fetish for women’s clothing whereas mine was a pure Al Qaeda look alike, in black mesh, straps, and metal fastners all the way up!

You did tell me in a PM that u had an interview on the same day, and when I found that half page missing in the Polish Hello magazine, I thought Mark you Ba$&^%d !
And then I thought he’ll be in his interview today, I wonder how it’s going.
Now wouldn’t that have been weird if we thought of each other at the same time !!!!!
But I wish u the best mate.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on March 31, 2006, 08:00:10 AM
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don’t what’s worse having a skin coloured vest or a black one if stopped at the airport. Yours would appear as if you have some sort of fetish for women’s clothing whereas mine was a pure Al Qaeda look alike, in black mesh, straps, and metal fastners all the way up!  


Ha ha ha i nearly split my sides when i read that!!! That was great..lol 8).
It is the same driver (Green vw)....and he wasn't shy of his brakes...lol.

I will find out early next week if i was successful at the interview, i will let you all know as soon as i hear :) .

How are you feeling today? Still sore? or are you parading around your room in skin tight tops and Ck boxers...lol.

I think when i go back, i will leave all the English mags and books i take for the next brits to arrive...lol. We should see how many books we can leave...lol.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on April 01, 2006, 04:14:51 AM
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How are you feeling today? Still sore? or are you parading around your room in skin tight tops and Ck boxers...lol.

I think when i go back, i will leave all the English mags and books i take for the next brits to arrive...lol. We should see how many books we can leave...lol.


Hiya, not feeling particularly sore or pain, due to pain killers, although the skin above nipple area is yellowish and blue-ish, as in bruised. but getting better day by day.

U think along the same lines as I do; I left a magazine behind, for the next Brit, it was upstairs in that massive loft bedroom I was in on days 2 and 3. I wish I'd taken more to leave behind, but I took more dvd's to occupy myself instead.
I think we should to a tips page for Poland surgery that prospectives can benefit from.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on April 01, 2006, 06:09:31 AM
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I think we should to a tips page for Poland surgery that prospectives can benefit from.


Sounds good, and then we can charge a consultans fee to the clinic..lol  ;D . Yer bruising is normal. After lipo i looked like i had gone ten rounds with tryson :) .

I think we should do some kind of kind.....including polish words to impress the women ;P
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: outertrial on April 08, 2006, 12:22:41 AM
Well this being moved  to the Europe branch should  just about kill off this thread.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on April 09, 2006, 10:40:52 AM
I second that!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope they are reading this
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: outertrial on April 10, 2006, 07:54:04 AM
Exactly, I should point out mods that this thread is by and about people in the UK talking about surgery in Poland. It  should not be in the Europe section unless you intend to start moving peoples conversations around based on what topic they are discussing.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on April 15, 2006, 03:14:56 PM
Get in!!!! ;D Thank you mods  ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on April 15, 2006, 03:15:33 PM
Now i can add to this with my revision results soon :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: andyz on April 17, 2006, 06:36:43 AM
Mark, when do you go for your revision op???  Not sure if I said I need to send more photos after another 2 months.  

If I still feel I need a revision then as you said there will be no cost for the op just knockout juice and accomodation.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on April 17, 2006, 02:03:30 PM
Hi, i was meant to have my revision operation on the 10th of April, but sadly i had to cancel due to personal problems :( . I will arrange my surgery soon; once i have sorted a few things out !  :-/.

But i am still looking forward to getting my life back :) .

Can't wait for revision.....come on!!!! lol  ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: bigbob on April 19, 2006, 04:33:32 AM
hey mark how did you arrange your revision? Did you just email them or phone them up, I cant seem to get a reply from them.

Also did they give you a final price for the knock out gas and stay?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on April 19, 2006, 05:06:57 AM
Hi Big bob,
I emailed both the clinic and Andreas. I have just emailed him again today, to arrange a revision date as i had to cancel the one for the 10th due to bad luck :( . But now i am all excited and ready to go :) .
Just looking forward to the response .

Mark

Regarding the revision fee....you pay for two nights & knock out juice and a small fee for the surgery. Works out about 400 GBP.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on April 24, 2006, 02:13:06 AM
Gents,
Bit busy at work to go into details at the mo' but some pics attached

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/a7ce/album?.dir=/235d


thx
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on April 24, 2006, 07:29:17 AM
WOW. Congratulations ace. You look really good, can imagine how much better you'll look as you continue to heal. Mark said you were happy, i can see why  ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on April 24, 2006, 08:17:42 AM
The results are  awesome mate :). Congrats :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on April 24, 2006, 10:24:17 AM
Cheers Ian and Mark
yeah i'm happy, just took an hour to change my life !

Joined a gym on the weekend with a friend, will try and lose a bit of weight and tighten up.

All in all it was definitely worth it. The month has gone so quick since I had it done, the pain has 98% gone. Actually it wasn't even pain, I don't think I actually felt any pain whatsoever, numbness at first and when that wore away , any pain had also gone.

The worst sight is the second day when you see your Frankenstein nipples all stitched up and you think 'what the hell have I just done' !!!.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on April 26, 2006, 06:47:16 AM
I would like to think of myself as the pioneer of travelling to sublice for gyno surgery 8)..........and i am even amazed at how good your results are. I didn't think i could be any more confident about the surgery......but you have proved me wrong. I am now even more excited and counting down the sleeps until the operation.....lol
Even if i am going to look silly with a vest on during the summer...lol :P
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on April 26, 2006, 11:50:11 PM
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Hey ace, congratulations. Im well happy for you. I really wanted to see how the good doctor did his work and judging from your pics his works seems top notch. The nipple shot (saucy lol)  looks great and you can hardly make out a cut. As im having some gland taken out this has put my mind at ease somewhat. Roll on May 30.



Looking at my nipples today, u can no way tell that they have been cut. the scar (if any) has blended in nicely with my asian skin nipple colour. But it is a horiffic sight with the stitches in and blood caked around ( not trying to put u off, just prepare you !) U think my whole upper body is connected to the rest by just 2 pieces of thread, what if they become undone !!!! But they did a good stitching job, as my local nurse said when she took them out.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on April 26, 2006, 11:58:52 PM
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I would like to think of myself as the pioneer of travelling to sublice for gyno surgery 8)..........and i am even amazed at how good your results are. I didn't think i could be any more confident about the surgery......but you have proved me wrong. I am now even more excited and counting down the sleeps until the operation.....lol
Even if i am going to look silly with a vest on during the summer...lol :P



These ops should be done in autumn or winter where one generally wears several layers. I'd hate to wear more than a layer of clothing in the summer ie inc vest and feel icky all the time.

I only learned from u guys about push for excission.
I really wouldn't have wanted to go there get the lipo, come back, not be satisfied, go through the vest phase etc be flat but pointy, go back, go through the same process again, back home, vest for another month etc, and all this over a four month period or so.

It works out the same wether you pay the extra £300 now and get a discount and get both ops together, or go back later for a 're-fit' and pay approx £300 for travel and board and knock-out juice. So why not get it done in the first place and save yourself 3 months wait.

so as I have learnt PUSH FOR EXCISSION AND LIPO.
At the end of the day no one is going to refuse money and say 'no, keep your £300'

if that makes sense .... I've just come out of two day audit, where I was being ripped, I don't even know if I can speak or understand English anymore ....
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: kicka on April 27, 2006, 07:52:31 AM
Cheers for the price break down ace thats helped me alot
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on April 27, 2006, 11:31:17 AM
Hi Kicka,
Glad to hear you are doing o.k.
When are you thinking of going over to Poland?
Givemrespite is going over the end of May early june if you want to arrange to go with him :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on April 29, 2006, 01:47:23 PM
whoa great inspiring read :)
ive read the whole 8 pages with interest and i would consider going over myself for the op.
The trouble is that i have a manual 9 hour a day job and would be worried how i would cope ?
are you able to continue lifting after the op?
cheers :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on April 29, 2006, 11:15:34 PM
Hi,
The clinic in Poland makes you stay for two nights after surgery,so you can count these three days as rest days....if you get the surgery on wednesday you leave one the friday., then you have the week end off.....thats five days of rest. After these five days you will know yourself if you can go back to work....but i think you will be ok....you are having gland removed not the chest muscle :P .
The only problem is wearing the compression vest four for weeks whilst sweating  ;D

Have you visited their site mate?
P.S. On the night of my return i was able to throw my nieces up and down with no bother....and extend m,y arms above my head n press them ( 6 yrs old)....and i felt nothing. If you are worried just put a few more days in or pull a sickie :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on May 01, 2006, 12:04:27 AM
right im getting my funds together the only problem will be that ill have to wear the compression vest through summer :(
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 01, 2006, 07:02:29 AM
Get a fashionable one like Davyd off little britain... ;D.You will be the envy of all your mates  ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 01, 2006, 09:40:17 AM
This time next week Mark, it'll all be over  :o

I am now having alot of nerves and struggling to get to sleep at night thinking/worrying about it all. I know you'll say don't worry but i just can't help it.

fedupofhavingtits mate, you may have to wear a compression vest through the summer but atleast it will be the last summer you'll have to wear anything on your top half for the rest of your life. That will make it easier i'm sure  ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 01, 2006, 10:26:43 AM
I read on this site today how one bloke bought a nike pr compression vest. He said he wore the compression vest ( from the clinic) for one week and then got a Nike  pro compression sport vest.....he says it is loads better as you can conceal it easier under a t-shirt.....so you don't have big shoulder staps poking through....lol. I think it was Big-bob who said it :) .I will have to ask how much they are...:)
I read up about them.....they push the sweat away from the body and keep you cool :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 01, 2006, 10:36:57 AM
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I can imagine about the sleep thing. Especially the night before the surgery, prob wont get a minute sleep at all.


I was ok the last time as i sank several pints on the night  ;D . I am really looking forward to the surgery now...it couldn't come fast enough :) .
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 02, 2006, 07:13:26 AM
I can't believe you are asking me that..... ;D . This thread is going to start resembling the Dean Martin and Oliver reed school of Health  ;).
I think a safe amount would be anything that could kill a small pony....and you want to stick with a % lower than used in paint stripper.....stick to them two rules and you should be fine....lol. I think as long as you don't get pissed you should be fine.....but to be honest i don't think you are meant to drink.....lol. I told the surgery i had 5 pints the night before abd they were cool with it.....but boy did i have a hangover when i came rounbd after the op.....lol. So rule of thumb...." stick with 2/3......thats or 3 ...not 23  8) ;D"
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 02, 2006, 08:32:51 AM
It is Eastern Europe, so the drinking games consist of a Smith & Weston and one bullet….Nothing like a nice game of roulette with like minded friends 8) :o. I do advise caution when speaking with people in the bar as you don’t want to wake up the next morning to find that you have married one of their fine lovely daughters ( due to the language barrier….not the culture honest)  .Then again , eastern European women are beautiful ;D…..so that would be pretty cool …lol .
I think Eastern Europe has the finest selection of Lager and beer in the world. The brewers over there still take pride in their jobs and prefer quality to quantity…lol., I lived in eastern Europe for several months during the summer of 04 and I swear you could drink gallons of the stuff and still feel great the next day but if you decided to drink something British or ozzy……yep you guessed, you end up green for a whole day!!! ;)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 02, 2006, 09:31:19 AM
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Yeah but you may end up waking up married next to the farmers daughter    Then your buggered.


Or it could be far worse , you could wake up next to the Farmer and then you are well and truly buggered  ;D

Ha ha mail order brides rock....you check out jailbabes.com too. The Russian wives look great , you can get a doctor or solicitor............wait ave just thought of something....lol
Why don't we all chip in and buy a Russian Plastic surgeon?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 02, 2006, 10:11:21 AM
Ha ha if any of them are reading this they will be locking their daughters up afterwards and on our arrival !!  ;D

I was at the pub on monday and this bloke came in ( about 55) with a little Thai lass (18...barely).She was about a size 6 with a little black strappy top and tinkerbell skirt.....gorgeous!!!1 There was no way in hell he pulled her and he def isn't a realtive...lol.
Lucky bugger......i think a holday to thailand may be on the cards...:).Home of the third sex  ;D!!!!

Only 5 more sleeps and me an Ian will be on our way :). I can't wait, i still haven't told anyone i am going yet like....lol. Last time i went i just told them i was going to meet friends i met whilst living in the czech republic....lol

Feel a bit nervous about going though...but bring it on..lol :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 02, 2006, 12:30:11 PM
'TO THE BROTHELS'

Classic!!! My kind of thinking .

I think if you do put your hand down there it will be like a seafood delicacie......if you know what i mean . ???

'CRABS' ;D 8)

If you do accidently come across a lady-boy, you could ask if they want to buy some gland :)... ;D .Thats another money spinning idea....selling boobs to lady boys :) .

" Rodney , this time next year we will be millionaires "  :o ;D

Is it surgery time yet>? I feel like a child waiting for christmas.....

As soon as i have recovered from the op i am going to pay for 20 blondes to lick honey off it.......lol.

I bet ian is feeling even more anxious than me. At least i have been before and know what to expect.

Did you have a look at the nike pro compression tops?

They are a decent price but if you find this to much...you can buy masken tape from halfords for 50 p a roll.....bargain. I am going with the tape ;) .

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: orrible on May 02, 2006, 05:14:11 PM
spoke with my friend who had surgery in poland just over 6 weeks ago today. He says one of his scars still looks crusty with blood and hasnt healed properly. Did anybody else have this or know what it could be? Unfortunatley he is also not very happy with the results of his surgery. He says he still feels very self concious without the double t-shirt trick. He said that when flexing the muscles they look ok but when relaxed they appear similar to pre surgery. Any advice i could pass onto him from those who have been would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 02, 2006, 10:57:07 PM
I have seen Ace's results in pics and they look great and he is really happy, but we all heal differently .Your mate is only 6 weeks post he has another 6 weeks to go before he will see the end results. Tell him to be patient.
What was his body like before? Is the chest he wants realistic?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on May 03, 2006, 01:12:32 AM
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spoke with my friend who had surgery in poland just over 6 weeks ago today. He says one of his scars still looks crusty with blood and hasnt healed properly. Did anybody else have this or know what it could be? Unfortunatley he is also not very happy with the results of his surgery. He says he still feels very self concious without the double t-shirt trick. He said that when flexing the muscles they look ok but when relaxed they appear similar to pre surgery. Any advice i could pass onto him from those who have been would be greatly appreciated.


Hi Stonecold,

I had excission and lipo via the nipple, and a crescent shape cut was made underneath on the lower perimeter.

When I went to have the stitches removed 9 days post op with local the local nurse, it was a bit difficult for her  because blood had crusted with the stitches around the nipple. She said it would be easier to wash the and soften the area and the crust would fall off. Which I then did and went back the next day and she took out the stitches no problem.

Although i'm probably in week 5 post op, I definitely had healed and there was no blood or crust around the start of week 3 (which is when I posted my pictures, as Mark and co. have seen).

Looking at my nipples now, there is ABSOLUTLEY NO WAY that you can tell they were CUT 5 weeks ago. Which is great !!!

It's probably different people's bodies respond at different rates
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: orrible on May 03, 2006, 03:32:35 AM
Ace great results, having just seen your pics that is very impressive.

I will pass on the info and update when i can. Thanks.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 03, 2006, 09:43:02 AM
Stonecold are your mates expectations realistic?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 04, 2006, 10:13:39 AM
I thought like that but mine was more 'Take 50% away and i'll be happy' lol  ::)

I will post some pics later tonight....so every one can see me pre op....:) .
I wont put as much effort into my pics as Blatino though.....for some reason i find it hard to stike that smutty smirk....lol  8)

Plus i don't want to end up on that bitch breast site...lol
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 04, 2006, 10:14:35 AM
Can't believe it changed b*tch to pregnant dog but left breast....HAHAHHAHA
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 04, 2006, 11:27:20 AM
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saw a few people use pregnant dog and thought thats polite of them lol


Yep everybody is a real gent on here.........I was just mentioning it to the missus as i was teaching her to wax me car  ;D.

Even if you don't get an earlier date ....the end of may isn't far away  ;D.

I am going to keep myself busy tomorrow doing all my surgery jobs .

1) Get money from the bank
2)Change to euro
3)Buy a nike pro compression vest ( Week early but doesn't matter :) .
4) wash the compression vest i got the first time.
5)Wash clothes for me trip.....lol

Then i will spend saturday wishing it was sunday (Saturday will be spent doing more uni work...lol)

Nearly forgot something important.....dig my passport out :) ....lol
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: orrible on May 04, 2006, 12:30:04 PM
"Stonecold are your mates expectations realistic? "

I believe so yeah. Before he went he said he wasnt looking for the perfect chest just an improvement and no more obvious gyne. It seems that he still feels that when relaxing he has the same issues on more a less a similar scale to before his surgery. Still trying to talk him into pics.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 04, 2006, 12:32:05 PM
 ;DI will just take euro like before. When you are in slublice the shops will take euro and give you change in zloty......then spend the zloty on more junk :) . I paid the hotel ( First night) in zloty too.....and then all my pints at the bar.... ;D. The taxi driver takes euro too

nike pro compression :I can vaguely remember seeing them in a few sport shops.....i think you should be able to buy them from most good sport retailers  ...:)

I think buying ot from ebay will be more expensive :P.

;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 04, 2006, 03:07:26 PM
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I still cant believe im to have surgery, got no emotions over it cos i dont believe its happening. Bet it'll kick in on the last week or so lol



Your right there mate. I now can't believe that in 3 days i'll be under the knife, it started hitting me after the weekend, now i'm sorting the last arrangements before i go it's always on my mind.

All i can say is next week when i first type a message on this forum i will be so happy whatever the outcome is. If i can make it through this then it will be a simple message to everyone....... anyone can  ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 04, 2006, 11:19:16 PM
I am really excited now, i can't wait!!!
I wanted to post some pics last night but i couldn't as my digi camera battery had run out. I will buy some batterys today and hopefuly post some tonight  ;D .

I am feeling anxious too, never felt like this,before. i feel guilty for missing time at uni as i am in my final 6 weeks. I will try and do some work whilst i am there ....  ;D. but not to much .....lol.

Well, i'm going to jump in the shower now. I need to get ready sharpish so i can go out and purchase some travel items and my Euro's ....lol. . oh, and the vest  ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: klokanik on May 05, 2006, 04:34:39 AM
hey guys,

I’ve been following ur forum for over 3 weeks now. It was just after that I’ve realized what’s the f***g problem with my breasts  ::). I was overweight since I was 14 or so and always thought that the extra fat on my breast was well just that i was overweight. When I got 100kg /??? pounds  ;D/ i said enough and started losing weight and exercising /extra work on lats, shoulders, arms and back were working perfectly/. I have done it had 85kg didn’t have problem to wear shirts anymore and was happy with my body - well almost. Still when I took off the shirt there was something wrong :o. So at the end it didn’t work as i thought. :P So I thought maybe I have to lose fat completely. What the f***g mistake. Now I have 73kg but boobs like my g/f /fortunately only almost/. So after I ve read all your comments I knew what I had to do. Firstly talked to my g/f, she was surprised said she didn’t know it was bothering me so much /well she hasnt seen me since I lost 12kg :-/ / but agreed to come with me at the end and is supporting me well;). So today I did it, sent email to Dr. Baranski and hope to hear from him very soon /actually tried to contact the one in Czech Republic but didn’t want to give me any info only sent email to make appointment and didn’t even bother reply on my second email/.
So all I wanted to say actually was to thank you all but mostly Mark /I really think you ought to ask Dr. Baranski for discount or even free procedure/ hope your second and hopefully last procedure will go smoothly. Wish you good luck and keep us posted.

P.S. enjoy eastern girls mate they are best and HOT HOT HOT 8) :o :P  

Anyway sorry for english  ::) :-[

All the best and thanks again

michal
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: klokanik on May 05, 2006, 06:56:47 AM
here are some pics of me for fun  ;D ;D ;D :o
http://au.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/klokanik79/album?.dir=37f8scd
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 05, 2006, 07:47:06 AM
Hi there. From your pictures you look in good shape. Your chest isn't really that noticable but i can see what you want to change. Wish mine looked like that before my surgery, i can see you getting excellent results after.

When Mark and i are back next Wednesday i'll keep you all updated with my progress so you know what to expect.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 05, 2006, 08:03:37 AM
Hi mate. I'm suprisingly calm at the moment, i think it will be when i'm on the plane that the nerves will start.

I can't wait to get it done and get back home and start the recovery.As soon as i'm home i'll be on here letting you know how it went  ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 05, 2006, 09:10:23 AM
Hi,
I have great news  ;D . I was walking around the town centre to today trying to find one of them niko pro tops....but couldn't find one anywhere!!! I went on line for two secs on the uni computers and found an internet shop that sells and posts them for under £ 22.00 i have ordered the white vest one :)

http://www.acasports.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=6378

I am happy i founfd it as i didn't want to spend the summer wearing a zip front, velcro shoulders vest :) .

Hi Knonlik, welcome to the site  ;D. I am glad that you have found these Poland threads a great help  ;D. It makes me happy to know that people are opting for poland rather than wasting their money on expensive surgery  ;D.
You look to be in good shape in your pics but i can see the problem , i can imagine it getting worse with the exra weight . But at least it is small enough to hide until surgery :) . Yours are better than mine now , and i have had lipo...lol

Hi Ian, I got my money today .....it was a mad panic as mmost places were saying i needed to order them....lol.

Givemeresprite, yep garry has fled the nest....he is prob on some teenage chat forum.....very sad man!!!  >:(

I will be posting pics at about ten tonight ( Need to recharge BRAND NEW batterys) .

I hope you all have a good week end, i am going to a BBQ tomorrow and intend to get sh*t faced :) .

Ian.....hang in there, nit much longer :) ....i am hvaing wierd dreams all ready...lol



Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 05, 2006, 09:28:19 AM
Mark, thanks for the link i'm gonna order a top now, i was really struggling to find them in stock anywhere, someone's gonna get a big kiss when i see them on Sunday  ;D :-[ lol

Drink tomorrow is the only way i'm going to be able to sleep, so i'll be joining you in the land of drunksville  ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 05, 2006, 10:11:10 AM
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i was really struggling to find them in stock anywhere, someone's gonna get a big kiss when i see them on Sunday    lol


Now that would be an excellent offer if you looked like charlotte church...... ;D.
Just thought something :o.......I have a man telling me he is going to kiss me and i am watching will & grace!!!....I am gay and i never knew...oh its going to break me mams heart...lol ;D . I will have to scratch the idea about bringing an eastern wife back and opt for a bear wrestler  ;D.

I think the worst part for me will be sitting on the plane with nobody to chat with, then the taxi ride with the singing driver....and then another wait on my own for you...Lol.
Does your GF know that she will be carrying all your bags back :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 05, 2006, 10:47:44 AM
Oh someone thinks alot of themself, i might not of meant you, i just said somebody lol  ;) ;D

We're only taking 1 suitcase so she knows i won't be lifting anything..... no difference to our usual holidays  ;D

We're only an hour behind you Mark so not much of a wait after you land, get the beers in is all i can say  ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 05, 2006, 12:17:54 PM
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Oh someone thinks alot of themself, i might not of meant you, i just said somebody lol    


Are you giving the Surgeon favours in exchange for cheaper surgery? You Hussy!!!  ;D

The hour on my own at the bar will be ok because as soon as my lips touch that pint , my mind friends will 'pop-up'. You will like them, they are great fun :) . I have been friends with one of them since we shared that padded cell some years back  ;D .

Did you order a Vest? Givemeresprite: I think you should order one, soon , because once people find that link on this thread they will all be ordering them....lol...I will wait till we all have ours and then i will let the main forum know...lol  ;D

I took the one bag last time and i was ok but this this time i will be taking my laptop too....Might raid blockbuster the day before we go :) ( 3 films for a fiver for 7 days) .

I am sick of waiting , i might drive to the airport now and camp there till sunday...see if this speeds up the process :) .
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 05, 2006, 12:26:29 PM
I haven't ordered yet, what size did you order? Not sure of the size to get for a 44"chest, their sizing chart is as much use as breasts on fish  :-/
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 05, 2006, 11:43:14 PM
I ordered the medium, didn't even know that had a size chart. Lol. I read somewhere that you should order the T-shirt size you normaly get at these top contract to fit your body......don't go to small or you may pass out...lol  ;D.Or just phone them to make sufe....probs best, damn wish i had thought of that earlier..... ::)

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if anyone can find anything in this world it'l be mark, be it surgeons to vests. Want to get into the truffle business mark   Lucky sods youll be off tommorow  


ha ha ha, i do have some luck at finding things.....you should see my free p*rn collection....lol!!
Yep off on our jollies tomorrow night, can't wait !!! I can't wait to wake up and see that these bad-boys have been cut out  ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: andyz on May 06, 2006, 12:04:51 AM
Mark and Ian, good luck for tomorrow and the next 3 days.  Everything will be fine I'm positive there's nothing to be worried about although I can understand what you're both going through as I've already been there for my lipo op.

Well looking forward to seeing both pre and post op pics especially Marks as it seems we are both going throught the same process as I too will be returning to Poland for excission the end of June (hopefully).

Anyway all the best, mid next week and it will all be over forever!!!!!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 06, 2006, 12:24:12 AM
Hi Andy,thanks for the good luck wishes.

You must have been either the second or third person from this board to go to Poland :) . I am sorry you need to go back for revision, but at least the clinic is doing gland removal first now....so it wasn't in vain.  ;D

I haven't told anyone i am going yet, still thinking of excuses... ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 06, 2006, 03:35:35 AM
Thanks andy for the words of support, 1 day from flying out and it still doesn't seem that it's really going to happen. I thought i'd be a bag of nerves but i'm not.......... yet.

givemerespite, i will need a few beers to help me sleep tomorrow night but i'm limiting it to 2 or3 should think it will be late night anyway as we don't arrive till 20past 10 so it could be midnight by the time i'm at hotel, then i can just imagine how much Mark will talk  ;D

I'm as ready as i'll ever be.
Title: re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 06, 2006, 04:38:11 AM
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givemerespite, i will need a few beers to help me sleep tomorrow night but i'm limiting it to 2 or3 should think it will be late night anyway as we don't arrive till 20past 10 so it could be midnight by the time i'm at hotel, then i can just imagine how much Mark will talk  

I'm as ready as i'll ever be.  


Hey , i am a man of little words ...honest. The words are little but the sentences are huge  ;D...

Here are my pre op pics as promised

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4968/hpim01108on.jpg

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/8987/hpim01117ct.jpg

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/2087/hpim01127lv.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6103/hpim01136gc.jpg

http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/5999/hpim01157vx.jpg

I can't believe how nervous i feel  ;D


P.S. How strange are them pics? for some unknown reason i appear to have millions of balck specles in my chest hair....its a camera trick honest....i am not infested with lice  ;D






Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 06, 2006, 04:50:08 AM
I really hope so !!  :). I hope my results are similat to ace's. I just wish i had pushed for gland removal last time...lol. We live & Learn. I am going to ask for lipo too as well as gland removal to make 100 % sure everying that shouldn't be there , has gone :) .

In a couple of hours i wll be drunk in a garden....:) .
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 06, 2006, 05:03:53 AM
Hey monkey boy, you shaving that carpet off before you go?

Are those pics from now or before your first op?

If there now then it does look like you have some fat still needed to go so your right to get them to cut and suck this time.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 06, 2006, 05:13:21 AM
(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/5593/monkey1io.png) (http://imageshack.us)

What do you mean? ...lol

Do you like my side parten?

The pics were taken today....yer i don't think he done much lipo on the outside of the chest. I am going to push for both :) . I want to be as flat as Eubanks nose  ;D .

Do you think i should shave/pluck around my nipples before we go? Last time was ok as he made a little hole under the chest for the lipo.....Ijust don't wan't to wake up and find that they have give me an arse,crack n sack wax.... ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 06, 2006, 05:31:49 AM
(http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c253/discovery89/mark-monkey.gif)

;D ;D

Well i'm going to shave around my nipple as i can imagine blood sticking to my hair and it will be sensitive anyway,so it will make it painfull when the bandage comes off.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 06, 2006, 05:42:29 AM
Ha ha classic!!! I love it....we could almost be twins....but he is Ginger :P
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 06, 2006, 06:29:59 AM
Am i right in thinking that if you have excission aswell as lipo, that the cut they do around you nips is where they insert their sucky wand (what technical knowledge i have  ::)) for the lipo? In other words they don't cut you elsewhere aswell?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 06, 2006, 06:42:15 AM
Not sure, i think so but if they don't it will be to tiny cuts about 4 " below the nipple and across to the middle of the body 2 "......I can't even fimd my last ones....lol
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 07, 2006, 01:59:53 AM
Right guys, i'm officially a nervous wreck  ;D

I've got 2hours or so before i set off to airport so i'll bid you all farewell and be in contact Wednesday.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 07, 2006, 04:06:46 AM
Hi , I am so excited but nervous with it ;D . I keep checking that i have everything.....Money,Pass Port, Clean duds and socks :) .

Hopefully this time tomorrow i will be gyne free  ;D.

Bring it on!!!! :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 07, 2006, 11:38:20 PM
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Hiya, not feeling particularly sore or pain, due to pain killers, although the skin above nipple area is yellowish and blue-ish, as in bruised. but getting better day by day.

U think along the same lines as I do; I left a magazine behind, for the next Brit, it was upstairs in that massive loft bedroom I was in on days 2 and 3. I wish I'd taken more to leave behind, but I took more dvd's to occupy myself instead.
I think we should to a tips page for Poland surgery that prospectives can benefit from.


 ACE nice results mate.  How would i go about this proceedure where you had it done and also how much did it cost?  ive sent some emils off to polish clinic but im not sure if they are the same ones. also would i need a follow up appoint and at wht costs?  thanks mate
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on May 08, 2006, 12:57:55 AM
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 ACE nice results mate.  How would i go about this proceedure where you had it done and also how much did it cost?  ive sent some emils off to polish clinic but im not sure if they are the same ones. also would i need a follow up appoint and at wht costs?  thanks mate



Hi Yorkshirelad. It's the Polsh clinic in Slubice (Germany: (frankfurt oder/Poland ). It's where some of us have been and are there as we we speak ie Mark and Ian.
I can't remember the e-mail, there should be a link in one of these posts - i think it had 'esculap service' in it somewhere and te contact was Andreas Ciesla.

For Gland removal and liposuction it cost me approx £1300 door to door (from Birmingham)- that's accounting for ALL COSTS.
The only follow up appointment is for Stitch removal in 10 days post op, which u can done in the UK from you local doctor.

Any thing else, let me or Markashleigh know.
Thanx
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 08, 2006, 01:05:54 AM
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Hi Yorkshirelad. It's the Polsh clinic in Slubice (Germany: (frankfurt oder/Poland ). It's where some of us have been and are there as we we speak ie Mark and Ian.
I can't remember the e-mail, there should be a link in one of these posts - i think it had 'esculap service' in it somewhere and te contact was Andreas Ciesla.

For Gland removal and liposuction it cost me approx £1300 door to door (from Birmingham)- that's accounting for ALL COSTS.
The only follow up appointment is for Stitch removal in 10 days post op, which u can done in the UK from you local doctor.

Any thing else, let me or Markashleigh know.
Thanx

Hi ACE, thanks for the help mate.  I had a chat to mark yesterday and i emailed the polish clinic.  £1300 is well cheap.  Does the clinic organise it all or do you have to book into see the Dr then book your flights around it?  Did you stay over night?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on May 08, 2006, 11:29:08 PM
[Hi ACE, thanks for the help mate.  I had a chat to mark yesterday and i emailed the polish clinic.  £1300 is well cheap.  Does the clinic organise it all or do you have to book into see the Dr then book your flights around it?  Did you stay over night?[/quote]



The Clinic , or rather the middle man/agency Andreas can organise flights for you.
But I asked him for 3 dates in March and two in April and then chose the most reasonable priced flight around that - I think it was £45 return from Luton on Easyjet. They will just book you any flight, if cost is a concern do it yourself. Yes I stayed 2 nights with all meals, all in my £1300.

Mate, I suggest you read every post of this thread and you'll get the full picture
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 09, 2006, 03:22:38 AM
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[Hi ACE, thanks for the help mate.  I had a chat to mark yesterday and i emailed the polish clinic.  £1300 is well cheap.  Does the clinic organise it all or do you have to book into see the Dr then book your flights around it?  Did you stay over night?The Clinic , or rather the middle man/agency Andreas can organise flights for you.
But I asked him for 3 dates in March and two in April and then chose the most reasonable priced flight around that - I think it was £45 return from Luton on Easyjet. They will just book you any flight, if cost is a concern do it yourself. Yes I stayed 2 nights with all meals, all in my £1300.

Mate, I suggest you read every post of this thread and you'll get the full picture


Hi ACE, im slowing getting through all the posts but there loads.  Ive had an email back from the polish clinic giving me theprice break down so i asked for further information on what to do next.  Im looking at getting it done asap but i will research first.  
 Is the Clinic pritty close/easy to find once you are in Poland Airport?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on May 09, 2006, 03:37:10 AM
Mate, I don't mean every post on this board - Just in this 'Poland Surgery' thread  - there's not that many and you can sense check and skip the 'general chatty bits'.


As for the airport and clinic they are about 70 km apart. But the clinic will arrange a taxi drvier to pick u up and drop u off (read the posts for further clues about him !). It will cost you 60 Euros each way and you pay this to the driver directly. This should all be in the infor the clinic mails or post to you.

cheers
ace
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 09, 2006, 03:40:41 AM
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Mate, I don't mean every post on this board - Just in this 'Poland Surgery' thread  - there's not that many and you can sense check and skip the 'general chatty bits'.


As for the airport and clinic they are about 70 km apart. But the clinic will arrange a taxi drvier to pick u up and drop u off (read the posts for further clues about him !). It will cost you 60 Euros each way and you pay this to the driver directly. This should all be in the infor the clinic mails or post to you.

cheers
ace


I was just reading the information the clinic has just sent when i recieved this.  Tells me everything about the proceedure and times.  The seem really helpfull.  The earlist the have is the end of june which isnt too bad.  Ill do a bit more research though first.  Do you know anywhere i can find before and after shots of this clinic in action?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on May 09, 2006, 06:02:08 AM
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 Do you know anywhere i can find before and after shots of this clinic in action?


Yep, wait for Mark and Ian to get back !
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 10, 2006, 10:32:37 AM
Hello All,
I have returned safe and sound, albeit sunburnt and shattered.
I met Ian, who is a top bloke and his girlfriend (Top lass….can I write top lass? .lol)
I don’t have the time to write to much because I am shattered but I will say this…..the surgery was excellent and I am really happy, and the weather was glorious.

I have posted some pics….Only one after shot.

Pics are just to let you see slublice so you know it aint the back of beyond  &#61514; .
I have not taken any of the clinic as these are on the website ….:)

Speak to you all soon….

One very tired and sunbunt…Mark

Hotel
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/677/hpim01165uj.jpg
Hotel Beer Garden
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/4701/hpim01175ji.jpg
Street in sublice
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6628/hpim01198of.jpg

Had a good one of the fountain..but says the pic is to big :(
One of me
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/4220/hpim01208eg.jpg
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 10, 2006, 03:36:10 PM
I'm back too  ;D

Totally knackered so i'll let you all know what happened tomorrow.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 10, 2006, 11:37:15 PM
Right quick summary before i go to work.

If you can talk to people on here before you go and try and get the same date it makes alot of difference. Having Mark there helped as we went through things together.

The collection and transport to the hotel was great, so no need to go over that again. Woke in the morning and a 3min walk to the clinic. It is a bigger place than i assumed and was greeted with a little english from the nurse, and took to a room.

Within half hour they came to take a blood test, sneaky buggers actually but the large plastic thing in at the same time ready for connection to a drip etc. It doesn't really hurt but it is then done till surgery.

Then the nurse came got me to go see Baranski. He is with another surgeon who speaks excellent English. Top off and i was examined.

Now for my problem. Baranski told me that all of my gyne was GLAND and that is all he wanted to take out, no lipo. He sketched on a piece of paper as his words were translated that it was such a large gland that i risk having saggy skin after surgery so he wants me to have the gland removed and wait 6 months, loose weight as he said i was fat( cheeky git ;D) and as i was young the skin will hopefully retract. If not then i would need surgery for the skin.

He reassured me that with excercise and weight loss he doesn't think i will need the skin took out but he wants 6months before he will do any final shaping with lipo if i feel i need it.

To quote his words after surgery , "your gland was massive but all gone now"

My chest is now about 1 and a half times bigger than when i went in  :-[ as it was a very invasive surgery through a small cut in the nipple for such a large gland. When the swelling goes down then i can concentrate on firming my chest and the skin will retract.

Not once did he make me worry and heck he could of told me anything and i would of done it, but he choose to do it so my body would hopefully adjust itself.

Apart from that when i woke up i felt no pain at all lay there as I watched Mark walk past me into theatre. By morning we were up and about getting ready to go across to Frankfurt in the 25degree sun. Baranski had a quick look first then practically ordered us to have 2 beers  :o :o Marks face lit up and asked why, he said it helped for something with the blood but we didn't really listen to why lets just go  ;D

Great experience really, i do feel a bit down hearted that i am not completely free of gyne but it's now up to me to diet and shape and as there's no gland i could have great results.

Never ever listen to Mark when he says he can talk German, he was bloody terrible ;D made for a good laugh though.

Will update more as i progress, any questions just fire away.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on May 10, 2006, 11:47:04 PM
Welcome Back Brothers !

I think the good weather was a bonus. Talk to you both Later

Ace
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on May 10, 2006, 11:47:18 PM
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Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 11, 2006, 10:34:00 AM
Guten Tag  ;D

Just wanted to let you know i am still alive and i will post a bigun soon....just got back from uni and need me tea :)

P.s. I got my Nike top and it was excellent

Ian: You should be able to read the German form my excellent tuition  ;D

Einen schönen Tag allerseits! ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 11, 2006, 10:58:08 AM
Got my nike compression vest too. Really fits nice and tight and easily hidden under a t shirt.

Better than the armour plated one you were wearing  :P

How's yer arm?  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 11, 2006, 11:05:56 AM
Mate, you have no idea.....i am in agony!!! It is killing me, i can't even rest it on a table or my legs ,when sitting. I swear it must be broke....lol
It hurts more thant the operation did to move the Gland...lol.
How are you doing? still a bit sore? how is the swelling?


Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 11, 2006, 11:08:29 AM
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Welcome Back Brothers !

I think the good weather was a bonus. Talk to you both Later

Ace


I am sunburnt too......lol
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 11, 2006, 11:53:14 AM
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Mate, you have no idea.....i am in agony!!! It is killing me, i can't even rest it on a table or my legs ,when sitting. I swear it must be broke....lol
It hurts more thant the operation did to move the Gland...lol.
How are you doing? still a bit sore? how is the swelling?




Sunburnt too and me and the gf have lots of bites from our polish insect friends  >:(

I'll not forget that in a hurry when you thought you'd broke your arm, think you must of woke most the clinic up that night  ;D

The vest has really pulled me in and the swelling is definately starting to go down, not alot but i can feel it. I still can't believe how little pain i feel, except when i knock myself or you get an arse of a security guard at the airport who decided to check me and whacked my nipple with his metal detector wand thing. Could of  rabbit punched him right there, it brought a tear to my eye. Most pain is in my back as laying on it all night and not turning is making me stiff but a small price to pay for no pain elsewhere.

Had a pull at the sticky tape he put over me before i left, holy crap that stuff sticks, i wish i had shaved now  :'(
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on May 11, 2006, 01:15:27 PM
excellent to hear you guys had a great time .
im going to start selling personal belongings on ebay so i can afford to go over to get mine removed also :)
ive got my 1st appointment in the uk on 20th june but feel i am wasting my time going to the uk if they take ages to get me in :(

well done guys :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 11, 2006, 10:12:40 PM
Yeah, ill second that, good post fellas.  Im looking at going now i was just waiting for you two to get back and let us know what happened.  Ive got a few dates at the endof June i can take.  How much were your flights and whe did you go from?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 11, 2006, 11:13:19 PM
Thanks guys  ;D

It really was like going on a little break in the sun. Half a day and the night of the op is the only time your just so low on energy and full of drugs that you just sleep. The rest of the time you just feel tight in the chest but that's it.

The nurses come to you while your at the clinic alot and ask if you have pain, not that we did have any and did we need anything. They even had a laugh with us the next morning asking us exactly how big were these 2 beers we had had the night before (we got in a bit hyper that night shall we just say  ;D)

I did shave around my nipples but the tape he put on before i left stretches from just before my underarm to just before the centre of my chest, so it covers everywhere.

Another thing while i think about it, mine and Marks nipples had no blood around the stitches at all as i've heard a couple had hard blood caked on. Weird, maybe they clean you up more after they have finished.

It's so hard to tell a story in words of how nervous i was when i was stood in the clinic room waiting to go for the op.  But honestly the worst bit is the plastic bit they put in your arm while they do the blood test that just stings. But then as everone has said you just lay in the theatre and the next thing you know your awake with the great english speaking surgeon telling you everthing went great and what they are doing with you now.

I may have to go back in 6months for lipo as i've said earlier but the experience i had makes me not fear it at all.

Givemerespite, what size vest did you order? i measured 44" chest and got a large it fits nice and tight, i am ordering another as they are cheap enough, then i can wash them more.

yorkshirelad, i flew from East Midlands on ryanair for about £35 return, it is cheap as chips, costs more for the taxi ride to and from the clinic  ;D. Mark flew from Newcastle with easyjet for about the same IIRC.

Results are obviously as important as the whole experience, so i'll have to wait and see. Mark looks excellent now, but mine is badly swollen. I will take pictures and post when the tape is off, but i had a different case to most with stranger large spread out gland not just like most with a hard gland behind the nipple and fat. I was told the truth from the start that he was unsure what to expect and it was down to me to diet and tone up and give it atleast 6 months, and i tell you going through all this and the chance of it looking no better if i don't get off my bum and work at it is incentive enough for anyone.

Good luck to whoever goes next, you really won't regret it. Just remember to try and get someone else on the board to go at the same time, it really does help.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 11, 2006, 11:28:10 PM
Hi Guys, ;D

I booked my flights with easy jet one month early and got them for around £40.00 , if you book them early you could end up with a real good bargain .  :D
I set off from England at 18:10 and arrived at 21:10 ( 2 hour flight and an hour added for the time difference) . I was me by the polish taxi driver who ushered me towards a small coffee shop, where I waited and gathered my thoughts whilst waiting for Ian’s flight to arrive (Not to long….about an hour) .
We drove from Berlin to Slublice and the journey took around 45/50 mins (at a slowish pace) .The journey was good a laugh due to our high spirits and excitement.

We arrived at our destination (Puerto Hotel) a little after 11 and sadly the bar was closed!!! Oh, well….straight to bed after a little chat and a bag of crisps &#61514; .
I did’nt sleep a wink that night due to my excitement and I was rearing to head for the clinic at first light…..but thankfully the shower had been unplugged, so I had to plug it back in and wait for it to heat up….this delayed me &#61514; .

We arrived at the clinic for 9 am and were both taken to the upstairs lounge , which was very spacious and modern. This in when the serious nervous disposition started to kick in for the both of us . The nurse came up after about an half an hour and showed to our rooms….which was a double and for us to share….which was good as the silence would have killed me.
Whilst in our rooms Ian decided to pace the room back and for ( after seeing the surgeon and changing into out hospital garments) as if he was waiting for the green mile and then he came out with the immortal line ‘ what if when we go under we are still awake and we feel everything’  :o. That was it , I was a wreck and proceeded to devour half of my finger &#61514; .  ::)
Ian went in before me and I had an hour wait , but luckily his gf was there so we chatted about anything but the surgery. The Ps came in some time after and told ian’ gf that she could go and visit him , she shortly returned to tell me that ian said ‘ there is nothing to worry about and it’s a very relaxing sleep’ .This helped steady my nerves a lot and I was thankful of Ian’s thoughts for others considering he had just woken from surgery…..good man &#61514; . ;D
My time came and went and everything was great…..after the recovery room I was put in my bed opposite ian and we spent the whole evening and night till morning just snoozing and waking for a chat and snoozing again…..like to OAP’S.

The next day we were up bright and early and rearing to go, once we had the intervenes removed there was no stopping us, especially when told we could enjoy a few beers . We declined the offer of dinner at the clinic and opted for Mc D’s in Germany ….and spent the day milling about in the sun and the tow beer gardens ( One in Germany & one in Poland) .

Conculsion : Great experience, excellent service, excellent company and glorious weather……And what of the results? I am absolutely thrilled , now I only need to concentrate on the dense forest I have been cultivating for some time…..hopefuly this will stop Ian calling me ‘Monkey Boy’.

Mark
;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on May 12, 2006, 12:54:53 AM
Good posts Ian and Mark,
thanx for the updates

For those who are still enquring, should we go there,(Poland),   what will it be like etc, is it any good, english problems etc ... well Ian was in exactly the same boat a month back, bombarding with questions, now to read his post it seems he had a holiday and an op at the same time.

On the whole from people who have been to Poland, we have had more positive exeperiences than negative ones overall. Mark put my initial fears at rest, I helped out other q's and PM's. Ian if you could also add any tips for prospectives on the 'Poland Tips' thread or similar here so as to put their minds at rest, for u r the freshest newbie to return

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on May 12, 2006, 01:02:57 AM
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Street in sublice
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6628/hpim01198of.jpg



That's the end of the street where you cross the road to go the bridge isnt' it? and there's a big glass shop selling cigarettes?
Well every shop sells cigarettes basically. I actually stayed at the hotel at the bottom of that street, I think it was called the Klassinki or Klassiki, it's a big green one on the corner of the main street and the street u photographed
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on May 12, 2006, 01:09:54 AM
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Got my nike compression vest too. Really fits nice and tight and easily hidden under a t shirt.

Better than the armour plated one you were wearing  :P

How's yer arm?  ;D ;D ;D ;D


I think the Nike compression vests were a good find and a good price. The standard mesh vest provided not only works out more about £42 , but the velcro straps are an absolute bas%^&*d on the shoulders, even tho' I put tissue underneath and cut the velcro slightly , I now have got grazing scar / blemish on my left shoulder ( which is starting to fade a bit now).

So I would advise anyone to get one of the Nike ones.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 12, 2006, 07:55:25 AM
Yes ace, that picture was took just as we came over the bridge from Germany near the glass shop as you say.

Givemerespite, has no-one else said they are going or wanting to go? Be good for you to have someone with you to wander around with. You will wake up the next day at 8,greated by a sue pollard look alike with a massive plate of hams, cheeses dodgy looking/smelling pate's tomatoes etc and slices of bread, cup of tea but if you want just ask for coffee she'll go get it. Then 9ish you'll have your bandages removed and replaced as your checked by Baranski and then you'll have a chance to have a peak at your new chest. Then that's it, you feel no different than when you went in apart from a numb chest so your ready to go explore.

Good luck mate.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 12, 2006, 08:06:59 AM
Dudes,
I am at uni bored and finaly remembered my password, thank god :) .

Ok, any takers? One givemeresprite going to Poland at the end of the Month, requires handsome Plumber to join him..... ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 12, 2006, 08:08:21 AM
Did the pics of the town settle peoples nerves? ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on May 12, 2006, 11:52:53 AM
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You will wake up the next day at 8,greated by a sue pollard look alike with a massive plate of hams, cheeses dodgy looking/smelling pate's tomatoes etc and slices of bread, cup of tea


Wot a f*&^$ng Klassik
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on May 12, 2006, 12:54:41 PM
2 questions in my mind :)



1. do they have a vegetarian option for meals ?

2. how and when do you make the payment and in what form?


oh and

3. do they do breast implants for the other half and how much would it be for 38DD :D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on May 13, 2006, 12:18:09 AM
cheers for the reply matey :)

ill look through the thread and see if i can find the details :)
or may be a good idea to post all details again up here for the benefit of all the others that hadnt read this whole 15 pages long thread..


(people who havnt read it all i suggest you do as its a rivetting read ) :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 13, 2006, 04:09:55 AM
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Yes ace, that picture was took just as we came over the bridge from Germany near the glass shop as you say.

Givemerespite, has no-one else said they are going or wanting to go? Be good for you to have someone with you to wander around with. You will wake up the next day at 8,greated by a sue pollard look alike with a massive plate of hams, cheeses dodgy looking/smelling pate's tomatoes etc and slices of bread, cup of tea but if you want just ask for coffee she'll go get it. Then 9ish you'll have your bandages removed and replaced as your checked by Baranski and then you'll have a chance to have a peak at your new chest. Then that's it, you feel no different than when you went in apart from a numb chest so your ready to go explore.

Good luck mate.

After reading abouts ians and marks experience that made up my mind, im definately going.  The dates ive been given are around the end of june/beginning of july.  Ill probably fly from east midlands or i could go from robin hood (doncaster).  As for the compression vest, im around a 44" chest so i think im going to buy the large one.  There are a few on ebay for around £25.  Could anyone just confirm that these are the ones  

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NIKE-PRO-COMPRESSION-TOP-L_W0QQitemZ8417079690QQcategoryZ52968QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 Ill also keep a dairy and post before and after pics, hopefully ill have as plesent time as you two.  
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: klokanik on May 13, 2006, 05:15:03 AM
Hey Ian and Mark,

congratulations it seems you had great fun. Mark urs pics looks good cant believe its only after few days after surgery. Ian will you post some as well?
Hope ur recovery is going fine and am sure that you cant wait to go to beach and take off ur shirt  ;D.
How the nike vest anyway? do you need to use the vest from doctor or its just Nike will do?
I was just waiting for you guys to come back and just now sent email to andreas and waiting to confirm the date for me. Just wish it would be tmrw :o

What happend to Polish brides guys?  ;D ;D :o ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 13, 2006, 05:18:43 AM
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Hey Ian and Mark,

congratulations it seems you had great fun. Mark urs pics looks good cant believe its only after few days after surgery. Ian will you post some as well?
Hope ur recovery is going fine and am sure that you cant wait to go to beach and take off ur shirt  ;D.
How the nike vest anyway? do you need to use the vest from doctor or its just Nike will do?
I was just waiting for you guys to come back and just now sent email to andreas and waiting to confirm the date for me. Just wish it would be tmrw :o

What happend to Polish brides guys?  ;D ;D :o ;D


 Lets me know what dates you get back mate, we could go together if i can get them sorted too.  Ian and Mark sounded as though they had a right laugh after the surgery
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 13, 2006, 07:52:53 AM
Hi Guys,
I am glad that you are all confident and happy to travel to Poland for a quick 'nip-tuck'.  ;D
I am healing quickly though i am still very sore and bruised underneath but the shape is changing daily  ;D.

The question about the compression vest : I would buy the compression vest from the surgery and the one from Nike. The surgery one gives a little more compression and is great for indoor wear ( watching tv an sleeping0 . The nike pro one i wear when i am outside or uni ( 9-6) ...i even went to the nightclub in it last night and will be wearing it for a bbq tonight :) .

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What happend to Polish brides guys?      


My lack of Language skills.......lol :) but don't fret, as i intend to purchase a polish phrase book and return sometime in the near future to snare myself a top wife  ;D

I will post some more after pics once the stiches are removed (Thursday). I have  no idea what to tell the nurse at the doctors...lol.

klokanik:Thanks for the kind words. I am thrilled to be finaly gyne free...i still can't believe it .All i have to do now is heal......i just wish i healed at the same rate as Clark Kent or Danger Mouse :) .

Givemeresprite : Not long now mate...before you know it will be all over :) . Will you be posting some before shots?....wearing gardening gloves or 60's tennis shorts ? ...lol

Yorkshirelad: Very wise choice mate. I hope you get a good date, and the weather is as glorious for all of you  as it was for me n ian :) .
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on May 13, 2006, 07:59:10 AM
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The nike pro one i wear when i am outside or uni ( 9-6) ...i even went to the nightclub in it last night


You Bloody nutter - talk about rest and recuperation
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 13, 2006, 08:21:35 AM
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One givemeresprite going to Poland at the end of the Month, requires handsome Plumber to join him.....   ;D

Mark, now you must be working for the Polish tourism board  ;D I wouldnt mind an hairy assed gruff plumber to join me as long as he speaks the Queens english  ;D

Hi fedup, i can answer two of those questions for you. You pay in Euros to the surgery on arrival. No credit cards or stirling, just euros. Im paying 1525 euros all inclusive. And as for the implants according to the price list i got it'll be 1160 euros plus you have to pay for the actual implants, these vary from 750, 900 euros and a make by McGhan (i suppose its a good make) costs $1500. If you ask they'll send a price lift and also a DVD of the Breast implant surgery, just dont go eating anything before viewing though  :-X  ;)
Well im drunk and tired, only two more fridays left, just come around already  :) All the best guys.

what sort of implants you looking for mate? i know you are after chest but i take it you mean Pecs and not a nice rack?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 13, 2006, 08:39:13 AM
Yorkshire lad, get your nike vest from here, they are £22 with delivery. But yes that is them on ebay.

http://www.acasports.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=6378

Klokanic, i will post pictures as soon as i can. I have now found out where the pain is in this surgery nonsense, it's trying to remove the bloody sticky tape they put on you before you leave the clinic. It sticks like sh*te to a blanket  :o

It was a serious trip but after the surgery we felt no need to lay around so yes we did have a laugh. The Polish woman were nice but the German woman were better. Not that i looked with my gf being with me (sssshhh Mark, remember the halle berry look alike in the lounge area, they were massive  ;D)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 13, 2006, 08:41:01 AM
Oh yeh, i'm 44" chest and large is the right size for the nike vest.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 13, 2006, 09:15:08 AM
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Oh yeh, i'm 44" chest and large is the right size for the nike vest.

Thanks for the advise ian, ive just bought a large one.  Im probably going alone so ill let you know if the halie berry lookalike is any good,   lol
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 13, 2006, 11:12:39 AM
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Now mark, how many times have i said. If you want my topless photos your going to have to wait now for the next issue of mens breasts monthly  ;D No, ill defo post some before and afters. Prob just before i leave. Hows the healing going guys, any swelling as such. Yorkshirelad ill be leaving on the 29th for surgery on the 30th which is tuesday. If you can get that date it'll be great. We'll hunt that Hele Berry lookalike (oooooooo me got a fetish for her ooooooo  ;D) down. Plus i may need reassurence it wont hurt while im under (sorry ian  ;D ;))

is that the 30th of May? ill give them an email and see what theysay.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on May 14, 2006, 12:42:11 AM
These are Similar Nike vests, but a few quid cheaper and start from

£12.80
http://www.teamsportswear.co.uk/tr_n_proslcrew.htm

Crew £17.60 + £3.50 del
http://www.teamsportswear.co.uk/tr_n_provents.htm

Vest £16.00 + £3.50 Del
http://www.teamsportswear.co.uk/tr_n_provenss.htm

long sleeve

there's other similar items also
ta
ace
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 14, 2006, 08:36:20 AM
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The 30th of May. Hopefully they can rfit you in  :D

 Unfortunately mate i cant get i until the end of June which is a bummer.  Nevermind.  What it does mean is that im going to have to go with one of my mates.  Can anyone whos been tell me of any decent areas to stop near the clinic?  We will probably go 1 or 2 days before the op to get used to the surroundings and watch some world cup to try and settle any nerves i have!  Also is the berlin airport the closest one to the clinic.  Thanks fellas
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 14, 2006, 09:40:41 AM
Just stop at the hotel Mark and I stopped in the night before the op. Hotel Puerto, it's a 2 min walk from the clinic, a 10min walk over the bridge to Frankfurt in Germany. It's 28euro a night.

I wouldn't go too early as believe me, however nice it is around there in the 2 days after the op you will of been there long enough to take in most of the sights and wanting to just come home.

Berlin is the nearest, well the only one really that the cheap flight companies sleazyjet and ryanair go to. The clinic sort the taxi anyway, Richard will be stood in arrivals with a big board with your name on it.60euro each way.

Quick update on me, i am still very swollen and i mean swollen but it feels like lots of fluid as i've heard others describe it.

I can move my arms above my head easily just do it slower than normal just incase, i can now flex my chest muscles without pain, the nipples are dead to the world like they aren't connected to my body anymore. I get a weird feeling there if i get a cold shiver like they're trying to shrink but they can't or they'll disappear  ;D

This tape is a nightmare, it honestly would still stick if you covered your body in oil. Pulling it off is a game in itself.... will the hair ping off from the tape or out of your chest, the tape is winning by a mile  ;D. May aswell shave your hair off as the tape will strip it off anyway  :o

Ace, another great find with the vests, atleast they have a size chart aswell and cheaper, what a bargain.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 14, 2006, 09:41:56 AM
Hi mark, ive just read about you stayed in a hotel about 40 metre walk from the clinic.  How did you manage to book this? do they have a web site?  Also is the location near any bars and food joints? or and not to forget polish brides incase i need to bring anyone a present!  cheers mate
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 14, 2006, 09:44:47 AM
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Just stop at the hotel Mark and I stopped in the night before the op. Hotel Puerto, it's a 2 min walk from the clinic, a 10min walk over the bridge to Frankfurt in Germany. It's 28euro a night.

I wouldn't go too early as believe me, however nice it is around there in the 2 days after the op you will of been there long enough to take in most of the sights and wanting to just come home.

Berlin is the nearest, well the only one really that the cheap flight companies sleazyjet and ryanair go to. The clinic sort the taxi anyway, Richard will be stood in arrivals with a big board with your name on it.60euro each way.

Quick update on me, i am still very swollen and i mean swollen but it feels like lots of fluid as i've heard others describe it.

I can move my arms above my head easily just do it slower than normal just incase, i can now flex my chest muscles without pain, the nipples are dead to the world like they aren't connected to my body anymore. I get a weird feeling there if i get a cold shiver like they're trying to shrink but they can't or they'll disappear  ;D

This tape is a nightmare, it honestly would still stick if you covered your body in oil. Pulling it off is a game in itself.... will the hair ping off from the tape or out of your chest, the tape is winning by a mile  ;D. May aswell shave your hair off as the tape will strip it off anyway  :o

Ace, another great find with the vests, atleast they have a size chart aswell and cheaper, what a bargain.

Looks like we posted at the same time Ian, how mad is that.  Ill probably go 1 or maybe 2 days before just to settle down and get over the few nerves that hit me.  Take a look around.  Wha about places to eat and drink? are tey any nearby?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 14, 2006, 09:57:17 AM
The hotel, as you can see from the picture Mark took of it has a massive beer garden so there's 1.

The walk to the bridge to Germany passes lots of little places to drink and eat, then as soon as you cross into Germany good old golden arches are staring at you. Welcome sight to anyone abroad  ;D. Near a huge shopping centre there are loads of restaurants and cafe's that sell beer i remember passing a chinese, indian and a steak house, even a subway sandwich place.

All this within a 10min walk from the bridge. We didn't venture any further as this was all after our surgery so didn't want to stray too far from the clinic.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 14, 2006, 10:12:27 AM
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The hotel, as you can see from the picture Mark took of it has a massive beer garden so there's 1.

The walk to the bridge to Germany passes lots of little places to drink and eat, then as soon as you cross into Germany good old golden arches are staring at you. Welcome sight to anyone abroad  ;D. Near a huge shopping centre there are loads of restaurants and cafe's that sell beer i remember passing a chinese, indian and a steak house, even a subway sandwich place.

All this within a 10min walk from the bridge. We didn't venture any further as this was all after our surgery so didn't want to stray too far from the clinic.

How do you go about booking the hotel mate? also do you pay an intro fee to book or just pay it all up front once you are there?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 14, 2006, 10:18:56 AM
When you book in for the op with Andreas, just tell him the date you are arriving he does everything for you, taxi and hotel. You just pay when you are there. When you arrive they want the first nights money obviously incase you do a runner, but i settled up for the other nights(for my gf who stayed at hotel) at the end.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 14, 2006, 10:21:00 AM
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When you book in for the op with Andreas, just tell him the date you are arriving he does everything for you, taxi and hotel. You just pay when you are there. When you arrive they want the first nights money obviously incase you do a runner, but i settled up for the other nights(for my gf who stayed at hotel) at the end.

Ian, do you have a messenger or something so i can chat to you on that?  Just got a few more questions
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 14, 2006, 10:34:16 AM
Hi Ian, The questions im after answering are

1.  Which of the airports did you fly into in Berlin?

 Im thinking about going say 2 nights before, get there late one night, have a full day to sort myself out then go in the following day.  If i email adreas with this information would he book everything?  even the room for 2 for the required amont of nights?   sorry if you are repeating yourself but i need to make 100% before i go through with it.  You and mark have been a great help.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 14, 2006, 11:08:41 AM
Yes Andreas will book the rooms needed, just give him all the info and keep at him untill he confirms it all. I booked through him 1 night for both me and my gf and then the nights while i was in the clinic just for my gf. He sorted it all fine.

The airport in Berlin is Schonefeld. But they will get you from any, so Andreas said.

I will PM you my msn mate.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 14, 2006, 11:10:50 AM
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Yes Andreas will book the rooms needed, just give him all the info and keep at him untill he confirms it all. I booked through him 1 night for both me and my gf and then the nights while i was in the clinic just for my gf. He sorted it all fine.

The airport in Berlin is Schonefeld. But they will get you from any, so Andreas said.

I will PM you my msn mate.

Cheers Ian, ill look out for the PM
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 14, 2006, 01:04:45 PM
Hello All,

Reading your posts yorkshire_lad , i am guessing you are very excited and anxious...lol  ;D All normal :) .

You don't need to pre-book the room at the Hotel. The taxi driver drops you off outside ( first time he took me in) .Like ian said its only 28 euro per night which is a great price.....there are a few other hotels near the centre of slublice.
The Airports for the likes of Ryan Scare and sleazyjet is Berlin Schoenfield. This airport is only about 45 mins from the clinic and a nice relaxing drive and cheap :) .

Slublice is very basic compared to Frankfurt oder , but they will both easily meet all your needs during your stay :) .

Hi Ian: How bad is the swelling? i seem to have swollen up a bit on the left hand side.....but i guess its all part of healing process :) .
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 15, 2006, 06:46:51 AM
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Hello All,

Reading your posts yorkshire_lad , i am guessing you are very excited and anxious...lol  ;D All normal :) .

You don't need to pre-book the room at the Hotel. The taxi driver drops you off outside ( first time he took me in) .Like ian said its only 28 euro per night which is a great price.....there are a few other hotels near the centre of slublice.
The Airports for the likes of Ryan Scare and sleazyjet is Berlin Schoenfield. This airport is only about 45 mins from the clinic and a nice relaxing drive and cheap :) .

Slublice is very basic compared to Frankfurt oder , but they will both easily meet all your needs during your stay :) .

Hi Ian: How bad is the swelling? i seem to have swollen up a bit on the left hand side.....but i guess its all part of healing process :) .

Hi mark, yeah you could say thaty im a little excited and anxious.  To be honest, im sh1tting myself and i havent even booked yet!!  Im looking at going at the very beginning of July.  Got some prices from ryan scare from east mdlands its about £30 return which you cant grumble at.  Anyway ill keep you all posted on what happens.  Thanks again for the help
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 15, 2006, 08:06:59 AM
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Hi Ian: How bad is the swelling? i seem to have swollen up a bit on the left hand side.....but i guess its all part of healing process :) .


Hi Mark. The swelling is going down but i would now say i am nearly to the same size i was before op, they did swell up to alot bigger than i was, that is what was getting me down i suppose when i layed eyes on them and thought he'd given me implants instead  ;D

The swelling though is so soft like fluid under my skin and i can compress my chest flat unlike before with the hard glands so when he said he took out all the gland i believe it.

Went to the gym today, did some cross trainer, bike and a jog on treadmill, not a bit of pain, well in my chest anyway, i was knackered  ;D Felt as though i could of lifted some weights but common sense told me to wait atleast till i've had my stitches out. Still no real pain and i can now sleep on my side ok.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: andyz on May 15, 2006, 02:16:37 PM
Hi Mark, post op picture looks good.  How is everything feeling now??
I need to send some photos the start of June and if the doc thinks that I need a revision which he will (I look very similar to your pre op) I should be having an op either end of June or start of July.

yorkshirelad_1979, you'll have to let me know your dates as I may be able to get the same.  I've already been and had lipo during the start of February.  Results are OK but there is definately gland that needs removing, which is what I want.

Mark, how much did the op cost you did you mention that you would like more lipo or just excission?  Just wondering how much I need to budget.

It will be really good to see some more or Ians and your post op photos at some point.

Anyway well done chaps, sounds like you both had sucessfull trips. ;)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: limaecho on May 16, 2006, 02:01:23 AM
Those of you who bought the sleveless Nike Compression vest. Do any of you have a bit of a belly?  ;D

I'm thinking of buying an XL one so I can wear it when I'm outdoors rather than the compression vest. Especially as the summer is approaching. Do they still work well over a gut?

Thanks gents.  :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 16, 2006, 07:16:20 AM
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Those of you who bought the sleveless Nike Compression vest. Do any of you have a bit of a belly?  ;D

I'm thinking of buying an XL one so I can wear it when I'm outdoors rather than the compression vest. Especially as the summer is approaching. Do they still work well over a gut?

Thanks gents.  :)

Hi mate, ive just today got mine delivered.  Its a large and its proper well tight.  Im just hoping it is going to be big enough to get over the bandages and that the compression wont hurt too much.  Im a 44" chest and id say its fine.  The belly does stick out a bit but it gives me drive to sort a wash board stomach out for summer
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 16, 2006, 07:18:51 AM
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Hi Mark, post op picture looks good.  How is everything feeling now??
I need to send some photos the start of June and if the doc thinks that I need a revision which he will (I look very similar to your pre op) I should be having an op either end of June or start of July.

yorkshirelad_1979, you'll have to let me know your dates as I may be able to get the same.  I've already been and had lipo during the start of February.  Results are OK but there is definately gland that needs removing, which is what I want.

Mark, how much did the op cost you did you mention that you would like more lipo or just excission?  Just wondering how much I need to budget.

It will be really good to see some more or Ians and your post op photos at some point.

Anyway well done chaps, sounds like you both had sucessfull trips. ;)

hi Andy
 Ill let you know as soon as i sort a date out.  Where are these pics of mark or ians post and pre op?  i cant find them anywhere in the photo sections!!
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: limaecho on May 16, 2006, 08:00:21 AM
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Hi mate, ive just today got mine delivered.  Its a large and its proper well tight.  Im just hoping it is going to be big enough to get over the bandages and that the compression wont hurt too much.  Im a 44" chest and id say its fine.  The belly does stick out a bit but it gives me drive to sort a wash board stomach out for summer



What size top/t shirt/ shirt do you usually buy? Just a large in clothing as well?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 16, 2006, 08:37:25 AM
Don't worry about your belly the vest stretches easily, i have a bigger belly than chest lets just say that.

I got a large for my 44" chest and it holds me in nice, i wouldn't buy a bigger vest than you are or it won't hold you enough.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 16, 2006, 08:39:40 AM
Aye up, Mo-Fo's ;D.

Andyz: Thanks i will post some more post op pics soon...

Limaecho: buy the t-shirt size you would normaly buy  ;D.This will fit perfect...it fits like a glove :) .....but be warned, when you wear it on a clod day it makes you colder....lol  ;D

i posetd some pre op ones about 2 or 3 days before the 7 th and then i posted one after shot with pics of the place on the 10/11 of May. I will be posting some more pics ones the stitches have came out, that will be this thursday  ;D .

My chest on the left hand side has swollen up and seems to have gone hard ( i am assuming this is all fluid0 but i don't see any alarm for concern.....i just think this will be part of the healing process as i am only 8 days post op :) . But i wish i was fully ready to run  around my town nekked!!!  :o 8)

Ian89: I admire the fact you have made it to the gym so soon, well done!! I am going to go on thursday once the stitches are finaly out :) . I will then run like a kenyan until ii have a six pack for my summer hols  ;D......even if it does have stella written on it :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: oakjazz on May 16, 2006, 05:37:01 PM
Hi everyone,

just registered though I've known of this site for a while. This curse has been with me since my teenage years.Developed it like any other adolescent male, had friends that had it then as well as teenagers. In my case however unlike their's it stuck around and I'm now 33.

As I'm African and grew up up in Africa,  surgery to correct this condition was not common so I basically had to live with the condition in absolute torture. Now that I live in the UK, I must and I repeat must get rid of this curse. I'm scheduled to do it in Poland on the 31st of July, will anyone else be going then? I also wanted to ask  if the stitches can be removed in Poland before coming back to the UK within the minimum 2 day period?If not where does one take them off once back? what do U do you do about things like showering while bandaged? can one shower properly after the bandages come off.

I've never had an operation in my life and must admit I'm quite nervous, particularly as I'll be doing it in a strange land but believe me I'll risk anything to get rid of this stuff and I mean anything, it's been and still is an absolute nightmare.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 16, 2006, 10:08:05 PM
Hi oakjazz, I can answer a few questions.

No you can't have the stitches took out in the 2days in Poland, they need to be in about 7days. I am due to have mine out in the next 2days so i will either go to my doctors and ask to see the nurse on that day and she will remove them or just go to your local hospital a&e and ask them to do it.

You are only bandaged the day of surgery and the day after. So the day you come back they remove them so you can have a shower then you put your compression vest on. The sticky tape they put over your stitches protects the wound, and believe me the tape doesn't come off easily.

I'd never had an op either and i was as nervous as hell when i got there but all i can say is you go to sleep then you are awake. The next day your walking about wondering what the fuss was about.

Good luck with everything, post some pictures if you can.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: oakjazz on May 17, 2006, 02:51:43 AM
Thanks a lot ian89,I'll definitelt post pictures once I'M done, but I'm not due for surgery till the end of July. Can one actually just go in to one's surgery on any day and ask for stitches to be taken off?, sorry if this sounds silly, I dont ever need to go to the hospital so I dont know about these things.Well even if it' s not possible, I guess I'll fix an appointment for about a week after my surgery and have it done.

Is anyone having surgery on the 31st of July?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 17, 2006, 09:30:21 AM
Where i am i can't book an appointment to see a doctor/nurse it's a case of ring in the morning for an appointment if they have any left then your in. If you can make an appointment then just make it 7-10 days after your surgery day.

Come on lads roll up, who's in for the 31st July?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 17, 2006, 10:52:38 AM
Stiches :Quickest option i think, is to go to your local A & E . There is normaly a Nurses office next to the main reception desk.Just go straight to her/his room and press the buzzer......15 minutes later you should be all sorted!! It all sounds well but i haven't tested it yet  ;D. I will let you know when i have my stitches removed tomorrow, i bet it will hurt like a bitch  :o .

I am still a bit sore and swollen around the chest, just wish it would bog off.... ;D. It feels like a mini water-bomb
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: oakjazz on May 17, 2006, 01:08:20 PM
OK, Do let us know, particularly about the results, have U done the revision?

Andreas just emailed me and said the he has examined my pictures and says he'll perform gynecomastia and liposuction, I've asked Andreas to confirm this as I keep reading about problems people have convincing them to do an excision.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: oakjazz on May 17, 2006, 04:24:28 PM
How do u take measurements for a compression vest yourself?, Andreas just asked me to send my measurements, said something about the nipples.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 17, 2006, 10:48:41 PM
They won't just do lipo now, so you have no worry about them not doing excission. They only have the one price on their site which is for doing both in the procedure. Think after a couple of come backs for excission after they did lipo only has made them think and change their approach on all gyne cases.

Just measure around your chest just above your nipples for the vest size.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: oakjazz on May 18, 2006, 03:53:28 AM
Thanks again Ian, this site and U guys are really helpful.I think you're right about them rethinking their approach, they probably realised it could mess business up for them.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 18, 2006, 09:53:57 AM
Aye up lads,
As you know i am a little swollen on the left side (feels like an implant )  ;D . So i have bought some special cream, it is called Hirudoid and magical ingredient is herparinoid.
I thought you all may be intrested :)

Heparinoid Cream




How does it work?

Heparinoid is a substance similar to heparin. It acts by dissolving blood clots and improving the blood supply to the skin. It can be used as a cream to reduce bruising to the skin.
What is it used for?




Blood clot (haematoma)
Bruising
Inflammation of a vein in the skin associated with blood clot formation (superficial thrombophlebitis)
Warning!




This preparation is for external use only.
Do not exceed the stated dose.
Seek medical advice if symptoms persist.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 18, 2006, 10:03:52 AM
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Thanks a lot ian89,I'll definitelt post pictures once I'M done, but I'm not due for surgery till the end of July. Can one actually just go in to one's surgery on any day and ask for stitches to be taken off?, sorry if this sounds silly, I dont ever need to go to the hospital so I dont know about these things.Well even if it' s not possible, I guess I'll fix an appointment for about a week after my surgery and have it done.

Is anyone having surgery on the 31st of July?


 Hi OAKJAZZ, ill be booking in around 2 weeks time so if i can ill try and get the same date as you so we could go together and ease the tension a bit.  This web site is great, its convinced me to get it done in poland.  Also as for the compression vest.  Ive worn mine today for the first time and it looked liked i own a perfectly natural chest.  i loved it.  Im just a little worried ill become too dependant on it.  Ill let you know about the dates.  Where are you flying from? Id probably go from east mids.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 18, 2006, 10:26:14 AM
Yep, them nike-vests are excellent....though i have trouble trying to get mine off....feel like i am fighting a anaconda  :o . But you look great with it on but sadly not the same as C.Ronaldo or G.hensson....but workign on it :) .
I think everyone from this thread should buy them now, before everyone else finds this cheap site..

aca sports
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 18, 2006, 10:35:46 AM
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Yep, them nike-vests are excellent....though i have trouble trying to get mine off....feel like i am fighting a anaconda  :o . But you look great with it on but sadly not the same as C.Ronaldo or G.hensson....but workign on it :) .
I think everyone from this thread should buy them now, before everyone else finds this cheap site..

aca sports


 Bump to this big man, the vests are excellant.  I hope after sugery i wont need it to have a flat chest.  Im going to buy another before everyone cottons on.  
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: oakjazz on May 18, 2006, 12:54:55 PM
Hey Yorkshirelad, I should be flying from Stanstead,I'll confirm when I book next week.I live in Manchester but Ryanair doesn't fly from here,dont think any of the cheap airlines do.

Where did U get your compression vest, I'd really like to get one, can U get one in any of these sports shops in town?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 18, 2006, 11:46:09 PM
Yes, JJB Sports sell them . I don't think the little shops sell ; it needs to be one of the superstores that you normaly find on a retail park. I know that JJB sells them as there is one near me .

Happy hunting. I think it is easier to order on line ...all you need is a debit or credit card....or you can send a cheque or postal order......Works out about 10 quid cheaper than them robbing bastards on ebay :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: oakjazz on May 19, 2006, 03:35:26 AM
Thanks markashleigh1979. I dont have any problems with ordering things online, but if I can get it right away from a store why not?.I'll look around this weekend, if I can't get one or if they cost more than they would online, then I'll do it online.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 20, 2006, 04:41:38 AM
Hi everybody (hi dr nick ;D)

Just a quick update, swelling is still an issue. I feel fine with everything i do now, wouldn't want to do any bench pressing yet but i feel like i could. I feel confident in a t-shirt as the nike vest pulls me in to a shape i could live with as there is no hard gland pushing back just whatever is in there that makes it swollen.

Just been for my stitches out, i highly recommend just going to your local a&e as the on duty doctor has a look first and has a good chat with you about the procedure and any infection or problems he can see. He just cut the knot off 1side and pulled the other side and it just slid out no pain at all.

He worryingly said he hadn't seen any gland excission done through the nipple before, it is usually a cut under the breast area and then stitched up. I quickly pointed out, hense the reason i didn't wait for an nhs surgery, and legged it to Poland.

Givemerespite, just 10 days left mate, will be thinking about you when you go (not sexually ;D).
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 20, 2006, 05:35:49 AM
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Sexuallys fine by me  ;) ;D


lol. easy tiger  ;D

The swelling is going down very slowly, it is still too early to comment on what i think but it's nice to see a shape coming. It is so strange how time flies past and the surgery is as if it was months ago and you wonder what the fuss was about.

They keep the intravenous in your arm all night(nothing connected to it just the needle bit is left in) and before they remove it they ask if you have any pain, if you do i'll assume they put some pain killers in via there as they do after the op, but neither of us had pain, i doubt you will either, they were very confident before surgery that we would have no pain after, they were right.

They gave us antibiotics and told us to take 2a day split up every 12hours. Mark failed to listen  ::)and took both tablets at once  ;D there's about a weeks worth in the pack.

There are hundreds of shops there mate in Germany and in slubice you won't struggle to take her something back. We only went in 1 souvenir shop and it had lots of weird wooden animals, we quickly left.

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 20, 2006, 07:37:09 AM
I t wasn' the wooden animals that bothered me but the wooden demons!!! lol

Ian sorry i didn't reply, ran out ouf text. I am healing ok i think , though my left nipple isn't healing as nice as my right....the right one is perfect, but can't grumble :P
I am still hard under each nipple from the swelling and scare tissue , especially the left side. I am going to start a massaging routine soon :P....lol
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 21, 2006, 11:52:07 AM
Evening Lads, ;D
I started my massage routine today whilst in the Shower, please no naughty comments ( Hope Blatino isn't reading this  :P) . My swelling in my chest has came right down though i still have alord of hard tissue underneath, it isn't pertruding and i know it will leave over time. I just want it gone now...lol. Those who have had excission ( Ace etc) , How long did it take for your scar tissue/hard swelling to subside and reduce ...Cheers.  ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 21, 2006, 12:51:39 PM
Pictures 14 days post op  ;D

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4283/hpim01421vg.jpg

http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/4539/hpim01460ec.jpg

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/4273/hpim01432ox.jpg

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/6765/hpim01442pc.jpg

Tell me what you all think? I still have hard swelling and scar tissue, so i still have loads of improvement to still see...i hope ...lol
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: webster on May 21, 2006, 01:15:13 PM
U look normal m8. Webster.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: yorkshirelad_1979 on May 21, 2006, 10:53:14 PM
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Pictures 14 days post op  ;D

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/4283/hpim01421vg.jpg

http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/4539/hpim01460ec.jpg

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/4273/hpim01432ox.jpg

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/6765/hpim01442pc.jpg

Tell me what you all think? I still have hard swelling and scar tissue, so i still have loads of improvement to still see...i hope ...lol

Hi mark, those results are brill mate, i cant wait to go and get it done.  Ive got a consultation with a NHS doctor at the end of May then if i dont get any luck with them, ie op within a few weeks, then im booking poland.  If this oppointment wasn't already booked, id go tomorrow.  Keep up the recovery big man!!
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 22, 2006, 11:45:08 AM
Thanks guys, i am thrilled with the reults....I am gonna go to the metrocentre and then eldon square(Newcastle) on saturday to buy loads of t-shirts and stuff for my holids...go away in 3 weeks....will have to start the running too...lol. :) gonna be great......i HOPE....LOL

Givemerespprite: I am excited for you too, you will have to give me yer number before you go..and al send you texts whilst you are there telling you where to go etc :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: andyz on May 23, 2006, 03:25:56 AM
Mark, your fotos look really good.  You must be well chuffed ;D
I really can't wait until I have my revision if the results are anything like yours I'll be well happy!!

How much did the revision cost you in the end??  Just want to make sure I've buget enough.

Keep up the posts etc I think you've made a big difference to a lot of peoples lives!!!! ;)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 23, 2006, 07:59:41 AM
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One week left  :o This time next week ill prob be still out cold with my nipples defiled  ;D Im actually counting 5 days as the monday wil for me be the start of my adventure  :) Will be going to get all my neccesities tommorow and to convert some sterling. You may be thinking of getting some tight shirts mark but at the moment all im thinking of is buying cheap 99p boxer shorts as i reckon ill be going through a few pairs  :o Are you still using that cream thing you got.  Ian hows the healing going mate.



I'm not very sore but the swelling is still alot. The swelling has now turned from a fluid like feeling to a hard substance. I have started massaging in the shower to help move things on.

The beggining i looked every day and never noticed much changing but i didn't look over the weekend as i was in and out the shower quick so after the weekend i noticed quite a change. I am now only going to look every 2or 3 days so i can hopefully see things improving better.

I have been to the gym since the op just doing cardio, but yesterday i did chest alot lighter than normally and it felt fine. Honestly 2weeks after surgery and i have no problem doing anything i did before. Just smarts if you bump into them or knock em.

Good luck next week mate.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 23, 2006, 08:11:30 AM
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I have started massaging in the shower to help move things on.  


hmmmmm  :P lol.

I went to the gym today and trained chest , i didn't go as heavy as normal but i still used heavy weights. I felt fine and had no problems but tomorrow may be another story,when my chest has flared up....lol..

I am still using the cream and i think it works , it helps with the blood and healing etc...only a couple of quid form Lloyds chemist.....I think everyone should get some. The PS told me to get it the last time i went to help me recover....but you should only use it after 10 days post :) .

Thanks for the comments Andyz,yorkshire_lad, giveme etc  ;D. I am now going to start the cardio and hit the summer hard :) . Sounds good but i know i can't resist burger n chips or booze :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 23, 2006, 08:22:46 AM
Ian89: Did you not feel pain whilst doing cardio? because when i run i feel pain; like a heavyness a the chest goes up and down  ??? .
I am glad to hear you are noticing the improvements....and to be ceeing changes at such an early stage in the recovery is excellent :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 23, 2006, 09:19:57 AM
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Ian89: Did you not feel pain whilst doing cardio? because when i run i feel pain; like a heavyness a the chest goes up and down  ??? .
I am glad to hear you are noticing the improvements....and to be ceeing changes at such an early stage in the recovery is excellent :)


Bloody ian89, think we can skip the username chat now markashleigh1979  :P i've seen yer boobs up close and personal  ;D ;D ;)

I tried running but yes it hurt a bit as my chest jiggled so i just fast walked at 5mph went on the crosstrainer and bike and boxed on the bag for a bit, that hurt a little but not as much as running. 4weeks till vegas so i'm going to lose as much weight as i can (before i put it all back on when i'm there  :o)

I say i'm noticing improvements but it's not an improvement from before i went, i still think i'm bigger than then(from the swelling) but it's better than when i first got back and removed the sticky tape to reveal my b cups.

Have you had the stitches out? How are you healing? Mine are looking scabby now but i keep putting cocoa butter on to help prevent a scar.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 23, 2006, 09:33:41 AM
 IAN-IAN-IAN-IAN ;D .

Punch bag? if you can do that i recon you can train with weights like before, sounds good:). Yer, my stitches are out and i am healing nicely , though my nips are pointing south due to the swelling underneath....lol. Not much scabbin,,,a few 1mm ones every cm....so looking good :) .
Keep patient with you recovery :) , or read someones diary for reassurance :)

Aye, i have my holiday in three weeks . I can't wait, its gonna be awesome :P . I bet LV will be excellent....do you have a Cow boy hat ready?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 23, 2006, 10:05:56 AM
I am being patient i suppose, i know it is a long road and we're only 2 weeks down it.

Not got a cowboy hat, but i bet i'll buy 1 out there  ;D can't wait.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 24, 2006, 09:45:35 AM
Hey givemeresprite : not long now mate, what day do you set off? Are you anxious? Don't worry you will be fine ....Unless the PS says the same thing he said to me whilst putting me under " Don't worry , you survived last time" ....it was a good job i was sedated or i would have ran all the way back to Teesside.  ;D

Remember to buy a book or something for the nights, or just get yourself out and enjoy a few bevvies :) .
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 27, 2006, 09:24:00 AM
ha ha ha
Yes, that was the dumbest question....lol. It's in the european union so there is no need for a visa....just your mug shot in a passport  ;D

I see the worries are getting to you, you will be fine :) . Good luck mate.
When do you fly?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 27, 2006, 09:42:41 AM
Oh, Wales!!! I believe the European union voted wales out of the big boys club. I think you may need to stay in quarantine  for a few months over in Berlin , before you can proceed on to Poland  ;D. Ha Ha

I am recovering well, scar tissue is going :) . My left side has gone right down all most flat but my side seems to have a little bit of fat there. I am not bothered though as you can't really tell and both sides look the same. :) i have some pictures which i'll post later :) .
I bet you are dead excited, this is such a life changing operationt!!!
I bought my first polo top yesterday in 4/5 years. Got a nice french connection one and it looked like i had good pecs rather than the breasts i had before...lol

;D :D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on May 28, 2006, 03:06:35 AM
HI  EVERYBODY  WELL JUST JUST FOUND OUT I HAVE A CONDITON CALL GLY NOT BAD FOR 49 TALK ABOUT A QUICK LEANER. I HAVE SPEND 35 YEARS WORKING OUT   THINKING OK I  GOT FAT breasts TRIAN, HARDER ,DIET  DIET AS WE ALL KNOW NO GOOD STILL HAVE FAT ON MY breasts ITS GOOD TO HEAR FOR YOU GUYS YOU SEEM GOOD BOKES NOW I HAVE A WAY TO GET RID OF MY breasts THANK S TO YOU LOT.( POLAND )CAN YOU SEND ME THE ADDRESS OF THE CLINIC. MY E MAIL GARYTOGARY007@YAHOO.CO.UK
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 28, 2006, 04:35:29 AM
Welcome Gary ,
I have sent you an email with all the info and i have also wrote you another message in the lounge area....can't be  bothered to type it all again..ha ha  ;D

For everyone else who is intrested the contact details are as follows.

http://www.esculap-service.de/english/plasticsurgery/index.htm

Phone
Germany: 02359-903 620
other countries: 0049-2359-903 620


Fax
Germany: 02359-903 621
other countries: 0049-2359-903 621


Postal adress
Esculap Service, Postfach 1468, 58557 Kierspe, Germany


E-Mail
esculap@web.de

Hope this helps :)

Ian, how's it going?  Recovering well? Purchased and t-shirts with the nipples cut out yet?....ha h ah
I have been to the gym twice this week; trained chest n tri's and shoulders & legs. I had no problems and no pain at all...i didn't go as heavy as normal but i was still lifting the 22 k dumbells ( Bench press and shoulder ) . I still haven't done any cardio yet , i will need to soon if i want to be in shape for my beach holiday....ha ha ha, my mates are all skin n bone, so i don't want to look like a fat hairy orangutan  :) . I have heard of a new diet supplement called CRACK.....i heard it is very popular in the hood....do you think this will work?  ;D

Givemeresprite : Not long mate and you wil be sat on that plane...:) . I can't wait for them to hear your accent, they wont have a f*ckign clue...lol. They had problems with mine....but luckily i can speak below basic german :P ha ha

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on May 28, 2006, 11:51:59 AM
HI MARK THANKS FOR THE INFO I HAVE BOOKED IN FOR A FREE CONSULTATION IN HARLEY STREET OVER THE PHONE THEY GAVE A ESITMATE OF 3750. BUT I DONT THINK I WILL GO NOW. POLAND SEEMS A MUCH BETTER DEAL BUT I WILL GET A DOCTORS  OPINION BEFORE I GO ITS A GEAT FEELING KNOWING MY BICTHS DAYS ARE NUMBER NO MORE HOLIDAYS IN THIALAND FOR THEM TWO THE THIA GIRLS LOVE TO RUB THEM WHEN THINGS WERE GETING HOT I AM TAKEING THEM TO POLAND AND LEAVEING THE BICTHS THERE IT IS GREAT TO THINK I CAN  GO TOPLESS WITH OUT WORRYING .THANK AGIAN MARK.  
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 29, 2006, 03:45:25 AM
Well, today is the day :) . I bet you are really excited and thinking tonight will be my last sleepless night before the surgery :) . Its going to change your Life mate ...In a confidence way, not Money,England team sheet and a rock contract ... ;D. but we can still dream  :P . Rememeber to treble check your euros and PASSPORT mate...:) . The passport is the book that you show at the border control to gwet into England just before they throw you in the sheep dip :P.

Good luck mate .
Take some more pics of the plca...:)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on May 29, 2006, 04:05:10 AM
givemerespite GOOD LUCK MATE we  all behind you mate i  have lived with the condition for years so i know how your feeling happy and worried. Everybodly has had good result in poland.we right behind you GOOD LUCK MATE
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on May 29, 2006, 04:39:59 AM
Good luck givemerespite tomorrow.Take in every word we've said about the whole trip and op and you'll see how your experience will unfold exactly the same as ours. Just relax when your led through to the theatre as as soon as your on the chopping board sorry i mean operating table and hooked up that is as good as it all over.

Hi Mark sorry not been here for awhile been busy. I am just amazed that not even 3weeks after the op and i'm as able to do as much as pre op. Been to the gym 3-4 times a week and on a strict diet. Lost half a stone already and i'm running happily on treadmill now with no pain. (except for the stitch i get as i'm unfit ::))

I am still unsure about how i'm shaping up. I used to train my chest heavily as everyone just about does thinking it will rid the gyne, so i am finding i have quite a large chest (not flat) with muscle as i can now dance my chest up and down when i flex, so as the swelling is reducing i'm tring to get used to the stranger i am looking at.

The scar, if i can call it that, where the incision was is just amazing. You really have to look to even know they were cut. Underneath the skin under the nipple has gone really hard, feels like hard gland again but they are getting smaller all the time i assume this is the scar tissue people talk about but it is the main cause of my chest still looking breast like.

Well i still have a long way to go, and with my intent to be low body fat by the time i reach the 6month mark that Baranski wants me to wait before he shapes me (if needed) with lipo, i'm sure i will be happy with things.

Good luck again mate, we'll all be thinking about you.

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on May 30, 2006, 10:24:53 AM
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I am still unsure about how i'm shaping up. I used to train my chest heavily as everyone just about does thinking it will rid the gyne, so i am finding i have quite a large chest (not flat) with muscle as i can now dance my chest up and down when i flex, so as the swelling is reducing i'm tring to get used to the stranger i am looking at.


Hi Ian, you sound like you are making a great recovery . It's a great feeling to look in the mirror and notice improvements , it gives you that extra drive and motivation to push yourslef further. I think a lot of men on these forums are going to notice the same thing after surgery , becasuse every single one of us has hit the chest hard in a futile attempt to rid it of gyne....but on the bright side , we end up with cracking pecs after the op...lol  ;D.
I wene to the gym again today , needed to destress after the Morning exam . I managed to do 20 mins cardio ( treadmill) before i started on my chest and triceps. I am now back on to the same weight i was finishing on before for my chest ( 27 k Dumbells flat bench) but i am not doing many reps. I am not bothered though as last week i couldn't even do the 27's ...so i think i am healing nicely. I have no pain now but i do have a little tenderness when i prod my fingers in deep on and around the scar tissue.

If you do go back for lipo , send me a post card of one of them awfull wooden figures. It will keep kids off the grass. I think, you wont need to go back if you are still healing at this rate in 6 months time....if anything you may need to go back and get fat injected due to all the cardio....lol

Lads i started a new thread, so those who are going to Poland can post their dates and those who are  still to book ,can post their prefered dates...:) . Then you can all find activity partners......:P
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on June 01, 2006, 11:10:36 AM
CONGATUATIONS givemerespite get that shirt off and show them pecs you lucky bee. SPEEDEEEEE RECOVERY MATE. THIALAND GARY
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on June 01, 2006, 11:42:48 AM
Welocme to ' oww my chest hurt's liak a bi-tch club' . I bet you are thrilleed :)
. Any before shots?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on June 01, 2006, 11:53:31 PM
Welcome back mate  ;D What happened to your username  ???

Shower when you like you dirty dirty boy, we showered the next day  ;)

Glad your experience was good, makes you wonder what all the worrying before was about eh?

I had no pain either mate, i found my nipples tingle like you say but then in a few days they do feel numb as the swelling starts. Will type more later hope all goes well.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: webster on June 02, 2006, 01:36:26 AM
smallmeasure, ur post has brightened my morning, well done. Webster.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on June 02, 2006, 05:05:11 AM
Congrats asmallmeasureofpeace, like Mark says welcome to the club. U get surgery and a free holiday, still for a third of what you'd pay for surgery only in the UK. Been to Poland had surgery , now healed and the only one who knows about it is me - (cos I travel for work in europe every now and then- I made out it was just another biz trip).

Who's currently out there? is it Givemerespite?

I think all the Poland Club boys should get together in the UK at some point and toast Mark and congrat each other !

Yeah your rite about Antonio - he is a squashed eddie Izzard - he's a smashing guy.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on June 04, 2006, 08:29:00 AM
Ian,give,ace : How is the recovery coming along?

Give: did you take any pictures of poland , which you could post on this thread? :)
Ace: Are you nearly 100% recovered? Could we see some recent pics....of your chest and not family holidays :P .
Ian: How's the gym going? I am stil training hard but the heat of the gym is really starting kill me now...i feel like i have been working out in the desert . I am thinking about investing in a vest...lol. Its been a long time since i had one, so it will feel strange with one one.....i still look down at my chest al the time and still walk with my arms folded but hopefully old habits do die :) .

Mark
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on June 04, 2006, 09:10:19 AM
It will be swelling mate. When i first looked the swelling made my chest look worse than before the op. Can't believe it's been 4weeks tomorrow since the op, that has gone so quick.

Still swollen but it's going down slowly, the lumps are getting noticably smaller with regular massaging. I'm having no problems at the gym doing anything now,i'm on a light weight and more reps workout, and alot of cardio at the moment to get my fat level down, so haven't tried to lift as heavy as i used to. Lost just over half a stone since the op and i'll continue like this till i am slim again!!

I hope everyone else is healing well, who's next out there? Anybody booked in?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on June 04, 2006, 11:27:27 AM
HI EVERY GOOD TO HEAR NO MAJOR PROMBLES . AFTER THE OP YOU WANT TO LOOK DOWN AND SEE A FLAT CHEST UNDERSTANDLY BUT WITH THE HEALING COMES THE SWELLING.TIME IS THE HEALER AND THEN THE SWELLING DISAPPEARS. TAKE MY WORD FOR IT AM A BRICKLAYER  ??? ???WELL  AFTER WHAT I HAVE READ I WANT TO BE A POLAND BOY.AND DUMP THE BICTHS THAT WHAT S MY SON CALL S ME WHEN WE WORKING IN THE SUMMER TOPLESS .(BICTH T TS) I HAVE E MAIL ESCULAP AND ASK FOR A DATE TOO GET RID OF THE BICTHS. SHOULD I RING GERMANY AND HOW LONG WILL I WAIT FOR A REPLY (FOR ALL THOSE THAT HAS HAD THE OP KEEP ON HEALING BROTHERS)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: limaecho on June 04, 2006, 12:03:28 PM
Ian when you say lower weight more reps, what do you do?

e.g. 3 sets of 20 on half your max weight?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on June 04, 2006, 01:07:35 PM
Yep, i assume so . Lower reps and increase weight to build and increase reps and lower weight to tone/maintain and shape up :P
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on June 04, 2006, 11:01:21 PM
I do about 70% of my max weight for 4 sets. It depends on what i'm doing but 20 reps should be the goal without struggling to lift but you should still get the burn.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: limaecho on June 05, 2006, 01:05:16 AM
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Yep, i assume so . Lower reps and increase weight to build and increase reps and lower weight to tone/maintain and shape up :P


I know that  ;D Just trying to get a picture of what I'll be able to lift the first time I go the gym since OP. I'm waiting until 4 weeks post op before I do any gym work or heavy excercise.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on June 05, 2006, 11:36:47 AM
HI EVERYBODLY JUST GOT A REPLY FOR POLAND CAN FIX ME IN 10 11 18 21 JULY I AM THINKING THE 21 SO I HAVE THE WEEKEND TO GET OVER IT. THE 21 BEING A FRIDAY BUT THEN I AM THINKING  ???MAYBE THE  10 IS BETTER BECAUES THE SURGENT WILL BE FRESH FORM THE WEEKEND AS LONG HE HAS NOT BEEN OUT ON THE P SS( WHAT DO YOU THINK )
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on June 05, 2006, 09:54:15 PM
Ha ha, sounds like a plan my friend ! But what date is the world cup final ? ...lol and the victory parade through london  ;D .
You should add your prospective dates to the going to poland thread...then others can see the dates more easily and contact you

http://www.gynecomastia.org/cgi-bin/gyne_yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=8;action=display;num=1149015554;start=0#1

It feels like i am pimping you out...ha ha ha
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on June 09, 2006, 01:23:06 PM
HI EVERYBODY ASMALLMEASUREOFPEACE IT IS GOOD TO HEAR YOUR  HAPPY WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING 50% BETTER ALL READY  F CK ME THATS GOOD THINK WHAT YOUR LOOK IN 3-6 MONTHS. WELL HERE I COME POLAND 21-7 I WOULD WELCOME ADVICE PLEASE
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on June 10, 2006, 01:01:27 PM
Hi, sorry i haven't been on much. I have been up to my neck in coursework and exams :( . How are you all?

The hard tissue under the nipple is just swelling and scar tissue. I would start massagen at around two weeks post op :) .
Got any pics yet mate?
My right left side is perfect, i feel i have atniy bit of gland on the right though, but i am hoping this is just still swelling as i am only still in the 4th week of healing :) >
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jon333 on June 10, 2006, 05:09:15 PM
hi ya

i have been looking everywere for operation for gynecomastia ? has anyone had operation and was it ok ? what was the price?? the price here i was given was around £3000..my doctor says go to spain but they are expensive too. NHS told me to go private as the DONOT do the operation  :'( or i was told to live with it
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jovn on June 12, 2006, 01:45:46 PM
Hello

Mark et al, been sometime since i actually posted. I was at one time planning on having the surgery done ealier in the year but things kinda transpired as such that pretty much became impossible (work,family woes and general life stuff  you could say :( ).

Well things are looking somewhat more rosy at the moment and providing no last minute hiccups I have myself booked in for the end of this month , so am wondering if you kind chaps can help answer a few questions.

1) I dont actually have the tickets booked yet, has anyone got any recommendations pref to fly from North.
I would say Liverpool or Manchester would be ideal.

2)I could do with some help with what to pack and also what to carry it in, was thinking of just taking a small roller bag i could wheel along instead of carrying after surgery (i think i should be able to take this onboard with me), but what else will i need....amount of clothes and such.

3)Can i wear the nike compression vest instead of buying the surgery compression vest after i have had the surgery.

4)How much should i take along in Euros and am thinking of just using the local post office to exchange money, unless anyone thinks i should go elsewhere.

5)Travel insurance, just go with the bog standard one offered when i book flights or other.

6)What is the cost of staying in the clinic as opposed to the hotel across the road.

7)Will i need to stay for several days or should i leave after 2-3 at most.

Cant think of anything else at moment, its late ;D wll add an update tomorrow with pics hopefully.

I also just wanted to say a big thanks to Mark again for putting us in touch with this place, would never have dreamed of actually going abroad ever were it not for his original Poland thread :) cheers bud.

One last thing anyone else going this Month?

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on June 12, 2006, 02:28:17 PM
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Hello

Mark et al, been sometime since i actually posted. I was at one time planning on having the surgery done ealier in the year but things kinda transpired as such that pretty much became impossible (work,family woes and general life stuff  you could say :( ).

Well things are looking somewhat more rosy at the moment and providing no last minute hiccups I have myself booked in for the end of this month , so am wondering if you kind chaps can help answer a few questions.

1) I dont actually have the tickets booked yet, has anyone got any recommendations pref to fly from North.
I would say Liverpool or Manchester would be ideal.

2)I could do with some help with what to pack and also what to carry it in, was thinking of just taking a small roller bag i could wheel along instead of carrying after surgery (i think i should be able to take this onboard with me), but what else will i need....amount of clothes and such.

3)Can i wear the nike compression vest instead of buying the surgery compression vest after i have had the surgery.

4)How much should i take along in Euros and am thinking of just using the local post office to exchange money, unless anyone thinks i should go elsewhere.

5)Travel insurance, just go with the bog standard one offered when i book flights or other.

6)What is the cost of staying in the clinic as opposed to the hotel across the road.

7)Will i need to stay for several days or should i leave after 2-3 at most.

Cant think of anything else at moment, its late ;D wll add an update tomorrow with pics hopefully.

I also just wanted to say a big thanks to Mark again for putting us in touch with this place, would never have dreamed of actually going abroad ever were it not for his original Poland thread :) cheers bud.

One last thing anyone else going this Month?




Hi there, i'll try and answer some of the questions..

1. Looks like easyjet from Liverpool is your best option. Book em early to get them nice and cheap.
2. Small bag is all you need. Take enough clothes for each day after surgery as you will be up and wanting to get out and it will be hot there so nice and light tops.Don't really need alot of anything else apart from something to read or a laptop for a film.
3. I would wear the compression vest they supply to start as it is alot tighter, for the first 2 weeks.
4. I used the post office and got more money changed than i knew i needed just incase, then changed it back when i got home.
5. I used the insurance offered when i booked the flight, it's fine.
6. It's cheaper to stay in the hotel but you need to stay in the clinic after the op so they can keep their eye on you.
7. I personally, felt like i could of gone home the day after the surgery, but 2days is easily enough and you really are just glad to be heading home.

Not heard of anyone else going yet but hopefully there will be.

Hope it all goes well.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: karl_82 on June 13, 2006, 02:04:32 AM
Hi,

Just wondering when people booked the surgery did they go through Change4You (england representative) or esculap or did you contact poland direct?

Loking to book soon a nd just need a bit of advice :)

Thanks, Karl

Also, just wondering which airline people have used to get there? Can fly from either east-midlands, birmingham, manchetser or liverpool.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on June 13, 2006, 11:21:59 AM
HI EVERYBODY WELL JUST BOOKED MY AIRLINE TICKET 20.7.2006 NO BACKING OUT NOW. NO WAY I WANT TO BE IN THE POLAND CLUB WHEN  ARE WE ALL GOING TO THAILAND TO SHOW OFF OUR FLAT CHESTS ;D.KARL I BOOKED THOUGH ESCULAP NO PROMBLE. ASMALLMEASUREOFPEACE HOW  ARE YOU DOING EVERYTHING  OK .YOU SAID THEY HAVE A PUSSY ROOM I BEEN BOOKING IN FOR A MONTH OR WAS IT (CAT ORNAMENTS) SH T  THANK YOU FOR ALL THE INFORMATION . KEEP ON HEALING, THAILAND GARY.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jon333 on June 13, 2006, 09:54:57 PM
Hi ya all
Just let you know after many years of talking to my doctor and them saying to me I was overweight another doc said I had gynecomastia.., then they sent me to see a doctor at the local NHS hospital who said  GET LOST AND GO PRIVATE we don’t to operations for that ? And the bigger shock after was the £4000 price I was told.

Now just emailed Germany so this is the start hopefully of the new life and not wearing thick clothing in the summer lol

Any comment form anyone??? how long it take to get appointments etc???/
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on June 15, 2006, 10:02:11 AM
HI ALL JON333 I WAITED ABOUT A WEEK FOR A REPLY FOR ESCULAP POLAND .THEY HAVE A FEW DATES NEXT MONTH . I TOOK THE 21. THERE WAS THE 10 AND17 AVAILABLE GOOD LUCK. ASMALLMEASUREOFPEACE THANK YOU FOR THE OFFER OF THE RAZOR I THINK I PASS ON THE OPERATION AND JUST PICK UP THE RAZOR AI AM LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THE HOT WOMEN AND SLEEPING IN A ROOM FULL OF PUS Y I MAY GO BACK IF THEY ARE THAT GOOD WITH A FALT CHEST.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on June 18, 2006, 03:46:24 AM
HI ALL ASMALLMEASUREOFPEACE HOW YOU DOING.HEALING OK, ARE YOU BACK IN THE GYM OUT OF 10,HOW WOULD YOU RATE YOUR NEW LOOK TAKEING IN TO ACCONT THAT YOU 2 WEEKS PRO OPER AND YOU MAY STILL HAVE MAJOR SWELLING .ARE YOU TAKEING ANY SUPPLMENTS TO HELP THE HEALING. I AM TAKEING BREWERS YEAST IT HELPS TO ELASTICITY OF THE SKIN I AM BOOKING A DOCTOR APPIONTMENT TOMORROW FOR A CHECK OVER BEFORE THE OPP. WELL HOPE YOUR OK AND HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: limaecho on June 18, 2006, 10:08:03 AM
asmallmeasureofpeace - do you have any pre and post op pics? Just curious as to see some alternative results from poland other than mark's!  ;D

I'm already over 3 weeks post with Levick, and I must say I have significant improvement on what was a severe case of gyne. But it still appears that I have a mild case of gyne when looking at my chest.  I'm just trying to lose weight now to see how that effects my results. Plus I need the swelling and scar tissue to reduce before I can see the full picture.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on June 19, 2006, 04:40:23 AM
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hey mark, ian and ace. Where are you guys lol. Hows the healing going. Just been reading some previous posts. I got the hard feeling under were the cut was made too. Hows it going for your guys has the swelling gone down any yet.


Hi ASMOP (sounds like something from Dr Who)
Im ok, I healed ok, it will be 3months post op nest week.

My left nipple has a slightly numb feeling to it still (nothing disastrous or life threatning !), rhs nipple is ok, no other lumps or unnatural swellings. Just the healing process do it's thing ...

ace

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on June 19, 2006, 04:43:23 AM
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asmallmeasureofpeace - do you have any pre and post op pics? Just curious as to see some alternative results from poland other than mark's!  ;D

.



Lima E,
I did post my pics here - if they help

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/a7ce/album?.dir=235d&.src=ph
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jovn on June 19, 2006, 05:33:34 AM
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Hi there, i'll try and answer some of the questions..

1. Looks like easyjet from Liverpool is your best option. Book em early to get them nice and cheap.
2. Small bag is all you need. Take enough clothes for each day after surgery as you will be up and wanting to get out and it will be hot there so nice and light tops.Don't really need alot of anything else apart from something to read or a laptop for a film.
3. I would wear the compression vest they supply to start as it is alot tighter, for the first 2 weeks.
4. I used the post office and got more money changed than i knew i needed just incase, then changed it back when i got home.
5. I used the insurance offered when i booked the flight, it's fine.
6. It's cheaper to stay in the hotel but you need to stay in the clinic after the op so they can keep their eye on you.
7. I personally, felt like i could of gone home the day after the surgery, but 2days is easily enough and you really are just glad to be heading home.

Not heard of anyone else going yet but hopefully there will be.

Hope it all goes well.




Lo all,

Cheers for that Ian am going away soon just finished getting everything sorted with tickets booked
so no going back now ;D .

I got a few more questions,

I was just wondering if after the Op it is possible to only wear the compression garment they give you during the night and the Nike one during the day for the first few weeks.

Also is it possible to actually wear a shirt straight after the Op without the need for any compression vest , as in would you notice a differance immediately or will the swelling still make it seem like you got Gyne.

I guess having pictures of what i look like now would help, im still trying to sort a camera for when i leave as my old one has decided to all but pack up on me  :'( (anyone rec'd me one for under 100 quid) will hopefully get some posted before i go.

cheers
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: andyz on June 20, 2006, 03:39:53 AM
I thought the vest from Poland was quite bulky as well.  Something I tried that worked quite well was to trim the actual shoulder velcro with some scissors and then stitch the two parts together (if that makes sence).

What I thought was that it only had to fit me and it wouldn't matter is I altered it slightly.  Stitching down the should valcro parts stopped them sticking out quite a bit and the vest was hardly noticable.

Just an idea.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on June 20, 2006, 01:40:23 PM
  HI ALL BEEN LOOKING AT PRO OPERATION PICTURES AND IT LOOKS LIKE NO ONE SHAVED THEIR CHESTS. BEFORE THE OP I HAVE A RUG I DONT WANT TO SHAVE MY CHEST UNLESS I HAVE TOO. ANY ADVICE ??? GARY
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on June 21, 2006, 09:35:49 PM
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HI ALL JON333 I WAITED ABOUT A WEEK FOR A REPLY FOR ESCULAP POLAND .



How did you get in touch with them? Was it over the phone or by e mail? Did they phone or e mail you the dates available? The reason I ask is that I sent an e mail last Thursday requesting dates etc but have had no reply as of yet. :(
Do you think I should phone them?
Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: geg100 on June 22, 2006, 08:22:59 AM
no offence gruff but what medical qualifications have you got?as i have to disagree with you about the nipple colour turning black will cause a likelihood of its death and and indication of poor bloodsupply.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: geg100 on June 22, 2006, 11:38:35 AM
i am a trained person which is why i was asking.blackening of the flesh can be due to many reasons.what gruff is talking and yourself is talking about is necrosis of the flesh.having dark nipples does not equate to necrosis of the flesh.the other sugn of necrosis is shedding of that flesh.which also if it was necrosis the nipple would have fallen off.from the pics of myself and irish guy we both had bruising/haematoma below the nipple which also leads to darkening of the nipples NOT necrosis.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on June 22, 2006, 12:14:58 PM
HI GUYS  FU CK ME YOUR GETING ME WORRIED NIPPLES GOING BLACK AND FALLING OFF I HAVE A MONTH TO GO BEFORE MY OPP WERE DID IRISH GUY HAVE HIS OPP.WENT TO DOCS  HAD THE TES CHECKED  OUT OK . WAITING FOR THE BLOOD RESULTS NOW.ASMALLMEASUREOFPEACE HOW ARE YOU DOING ARE YOU FALT AND HAPPY WITH THE OPP.PLEASE DONT SAY EVERYTHING IS GREAT, BUT MY NIPPLES ARE ON THE FLOOR,  :o ONLY JOKEING I HOPE :o
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on June 23, 2006, 01:36:28 AM
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Hi LEBOWSKI. Same thing happened to me, i didnt get a reply for ovr a week so icalled him. He's really nice over the phone and got me a date there on then. He gets so many emails he goes through them in order. If your going to call give this number a try +49 0 2359 903 620. As i said he's a nice chap and speaks good english so theres no worries there. Good luck.


Cheers for info.
I phoned Andreas this morning....
And I have booked myself in for the op on the 18th July! ;D
He only had that date and the 28th July. I was hoping for some time in August but he told me that the clinic closes for 3 weeks for summer holidays. So I went for the earliest one. Flights booked etc!
I'm bricking it a bit now but it will be worth it!! ;D
Anyone give me any ideas as how not to be so nervous  :o on the day??
Cheers.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: davebrighton on June 23, 2006, 07:27:51 AM
Hi all newbie here
Just joined today and am looking at surgery in Poland or where ever is cheapest with proven results.I found a link to a polish site earlier but lost it.
Which clinic would you say is the favoured clinic on the board. And how should I go about getting an appointment. Can it be done via email or do you have to go personally. I know youve all had this question before be gentle with me im a virgin to the boards. Is there a post of just links to clinic websites. thanks dave
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on June 24, 2006, 01:12:14 PM
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Hi all newbie here
Just joined today and am looking at surgery in Poland or where ever is cheapest with proven results.I found a link to a polish site earlier but lost it.
Which clinic would you say is the favoured clinic on the board. And how should I go about getting an appointment. Can it be done via email or do you have to go personally. I know youve all had this question before be gentle with me im a virgin to the boards. Is there a post of just links to clinic websites. thanks dave


Alright davebrighton.

http://www.esculap-service.de/english/index.htm

That is the website for the clinic I am using which has been used by people on this thread. It has all the contact details on there for them. I'm off on the 17th July for my op (op on 18th July). ;D
I got confirmation today! ;D

There is a phone number and e mail addy for Andreas on the website but here it is:

Andreas Ciesla
Esculap Service
Tel: +49 (0) 2359/ 903 620,
Mo – Fr: 9 a.m. until 7 p.m.
Saturdays: 9 a.m. until 2 p.m.
esculap@web.de

As said in previous posts, he is a nice bloke and very helpful.
I sent an e mail first for info on the procedure either via e mail or by post. He sent one back with attatchments but he can also send you more info in the post. I did all my bookings etc over the phone with him.
If you want to know more then read all the posts on this thread.
By the way..
 Are you a seagulls fan??





Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: geg100 on June 25, 2006, 12:24:54 AM
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Everythings fine mate, just that my nipple fell off in the shower earlier, lol only joking  ;D. No everything is fine, swelling down loads today and my chest looks great. Very happy man. Wish it on all men who have th demon gyne. About the darkening and all that. All im doing is relaying back what many surgeons, my doc, health journals and other related things ive read explains. When theres healthy tissue it has a pinkish, brownish (well generally whetever colour you are) look about it. When there is a lack of blood supply it starts to darken, THAT is the first stages, a nipple doesnt fall off over night does it. Then whetever happens from there, well, happens. Be it nipples that fall off to toes needing amputation.You say blackening of skin has many reasons, lack of blood circulation is one.  Ive not even seen Irish guys chest after these photos, mayhap his nipples are dark anyway, hell my nips were bruised after excision which is the norm but perfectly pink and healthy now. People should know the difference between bruised and th fact their nipples are not getting a supply of blood and dying out on um. Im just saying from what ive been told that a sign that there is a problem with blood circulation is the darkening of flesh. Like skin grafts for example, if there's not good circulation or the body rejects it it darkens, rots (necrosis) and finally dies. Its common knowledge nipples may die after such surgery if there is not sufficient blood flow i.e when the doc stitches you back up its not done properly. This is common knowledge. Im no doc or medical man but come on even the big british journal of med will tell you thats what happens. Gruff was saying it looked like not that it actually happened, but looked. Course it was bruised or else irish dude would of surely said and like i said too, my nips were bruised like slapped ar*ses too.


im not saying that necrosis of nipples does not happen.and darkening nipples are signs of this.but not that type of darkening.if you ever see darkening of nipple it shouldnt worry you and thats why i wrote the post to not let people worry as it v v rarely happens.if you look at the pics that is not necrosis as anyone will tell you.it is just bruising.and a nipple will not fall off.it has no reflection on the surgery technique or the skill of the surgeon having a dark nipple.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on June 25, 2006, 02:59:09 AM
HI ALL,THANKS FOR INFORMATION GEG100. WAS NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO STICKING MY NIPPLES ON WITH SUPER  :-/GLUE.;LEBOWSKI DONT WORRY MATE I AM RIGHT BEHIND YOU, YOU GO FIRST, YOU GO FIRST, ONLY JOKEING I AM ARRIVEING ON THE 20.7.THE OPP IS ON THE 21 SO YOU ARE NOT ON YOUR OWN. I THINK IT AS A TRADE OFF DO I WANT TO GET RID OF THIS CONDTION GOING THOUGH WITH THE OPP AND HAVEING GOOD RESULTS NO PROMBLE NO LOOKING BACK THIS IS THE WAY FORWARD. IF YOU WANT TO CONTACT ME BEFORE THE OPP MY NUMBER 07779406556
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: geg100 on June 25, 2006, 04:18:07 AM
to everyone about to embark this adventure good luck. i think we all know what shit this condition causes us even if it isnt life threatening-its psychological torture.good luck onn your escape and i really hope you get what you are after.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jovn on June 27, 2006, 01:24:51 AM
Hey Guys


The day fater the surgery and i did not think i would be up and about after the way i felt all last night.

Anyway all seems ok the results im pretty darn pleased with no pain and just minor left had side swelling.

Poland has so many plus and minus points to it all which ill have to discuss later as i only just founbd this place and it is lunch soon .

I will try and logon again this evening when its a little cooler and i feel comfortable being out and about.

Cya for now
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on June 27, 2006, 09:54:59 AM
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HI ALL,THANKS FOR INFORMATION GEG100. WAS NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO STICKING MY NIPPLES ON WITH SUPER  :-/GLUE.;LEBOWSKI DONT WORRY MATE I AM RIGHT BEHIND YOU, YOU GO FIRST, YOU GO FIRST, ONLY JOKEING I AM ARRIVEING ON THE 20.7.THE OPP IS ON THE 21 SO YOU ARE NOT ON YOUR OWN. I THINK IT AS A TRADE OFF DO I WANT TO GET RID OF THIS CONDTION GOING THOUGH WITH THE OPP AND HAVEING GOOD RESULTS NO PROMBLE NO LOOKING BACK THIS IS THE WAY FORWARD. IF YOU WANT TO CONTACT ME BEFORE THE OPP MY NUMBER 07779406556


Cheers mate, you are right.
I'll give you a bell before I go and I'll txt you after the op to let you know how things went. I'll also post on here too. ;D
I'm just waiting on jovn to give us an update to his op etc from his posting earlier.
I just seen the weather forecast for europe in that area of Poland and it is in the low 30's. Damn that must be hot! In a compression vest it must be boiling??
jovn..
Is it hot or what?  How was it?? Please enlighten us!  ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jovn on June 28, 2006, 02:01:20 AM
Got to Germany greeted by Richard (he got moobs someone should tell him) serious.
The guy drives like a maniac and yes he gets very very close to the kerbs.
Polish border they checked my passport and there seemed to be like a 5 min standoff as to wether they were gonna allow me in or not ...very very tense but they seemed to relent, weird thing is they never actually looked into the car to get a look at me.

Spent the first night in hotel which is actually a bit of a walk to the clinic i found, got Richard to drop me of instead.

I did wonder round a fair bit on my first day and found  about 8 guys all with Gyne 3 of which i thought was worse then mine.

They all were wearing t shirts one was with a babe, oh yeh speaking of babes the women here are  Hot Hot Hot .....trust me its been mentioned before and its all true.

Well anyway the few guys i saw with gyne and how they semed to be pretty much cool with it got me wondering in a hot place like this they can hardly cover themselves up and so have to wear t shirts and or very little and so most people get used to it to the point it seems a non issue.

I gather unlike back home where you can simply cover yourself up with layers of clothing they dont have the option so like back home if you were to wear somethin light everyone woud be like moobs moobs alert or something similar.

Ok day of surgery arrived had my blood taken and then they left that platic thing in my arm but after taking blood they added like a saline solution back in via it, then i was left alone for like 3 hours finally led to a room with Mrs Dr B who actually i found to be very very warm prolly the nicest person ther and after a few mninutes Antony came in he seemed a bit groggy found out later hes coming down with something.

This is where things take a turn for the worse im 5 8ish and weigh about 95kg which seemd to be a big big problem, in fact like i mentioned earlier moobs does not seem to actually be much of a problem here and like i was told they actually treated the original patient (Mark) as somewhat of a  experiment for them to see what they could actually offer in balance to the patients needs.

Weight seems to be a big thing guys if you are a lil over weight i would say LOOSE it before you go. there attitude seemed somewhat standoffish as a result or you could try the other option which i will mention later.

Anyhow the Dr left to get her husband who was in surgery doing a boob job i believe on some girl there.

Anthony at this point mentioned that having gland and lipo done would actually leave alot of of excessive skin much later down the line (4 months) and i would need to come back to possibly have that sorted.

The main man finally came in and was pretty much the same took a look at my overall wieght and seemed none to pleased would actually make many remarks over it in the coming days with Anthony even at a loss as to why someone would want Gyne removed but nothing done about abdominal weight.

Well basically i was given 2 options one was gland and lipo and the other was gland and lipo plus removal of excessive skin which though Anthony thought would be an issue the Doc B actually did not seem all that convinced it would.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jovn on June 28, 2006, 02:19:41 AM
Well i was orignally quoted 1200 by Andreas but due to the extra weight i was actually told a price of just over 1500 Euros WHICH was the exact amount i had on me as i had brought xtra in case. (swomeone mentioned earlier they had a similar issue with the Doc quoting a price that happened to be the exact amount they had on them, slightly creepy moment i thought)

Anyway was not to happy about that but then its still less than half what i will have had to pay in the Uk.

I had to get extra money out of the bank to pay Richard for the journey back to the airport.

I had the surgery with Anasthesia which i was bricking over but all went smoothly the Docs missus was on hand to reassure me i was going under my overall opinion of her has been great in fact only have one issue and that with a nurse i have barley had contact with seems somewhat up herself the younger blonde one with a big chin if anyone remembers her.

Ok well felt crap after surgery slept all day nurses came in a few times at night and put more of that saline slution in me arm.

I had no drains in me and was banaged tightly with a bit of flesh bulging over the bandages near my shoulders.

I got up the next day full of energy had a thrombosis shot and was advised i need to take two pills some thing i need to do morning and night but this was not explained to me had to pull up Anthony to get this clarified, i hate that little things like this which can cause serious problems seem to much for anyone to explain in fact wanting to talk about how it went overall (the op) seemed to much.

Like i say peeps seem a little standoffish.

I cant blame Anthony too much as i found out he aswell as not feeling well his missus had just gone into labour and today has finaly delvered a healthy baby boy.

The food is awful dont like it but am pretty much broke now so made do.

I did get a look with the bandages of and noticed a huge improvment the left side seems more painful and  was actually the larger of the two and is a little bigger than the rhs was told thats its just swelling but its something i may not have even brought up its just Mrs B noticed it but was hushed up by Mr B and then she said its just swelling.

I actually am double bandaged today no compression vest got mine at home will get that on me when i get back.

The prob i got is that the left side is atually not really swelling but a collection of blood which im told will eventually disappear and its nowt to worry about still cant help feeling that if i had drains i would actually have a pretty near flat chest and the results overall would be gained quicker.

Anyone have the same how long did it take to dissapear.

Anthony says i need to wear a compression vest day and night for a month and then for one extra month only when i am doing any physical actiuvity.

The Doc told me two weeks day and night and then 2 weeks extra on and off..
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jovn on June 28, 2006, 02:22:16 AM
I would say about the op that i think if i could do it over i would prolly just have the Gland removed and not the lipo as any fat Can be worked of but the Gland never will.,
A few peeps have mentioned that thjey are serious about getting into the gym like me after surgery in which case having Gland removed is best and also works out cheaper.


Will try and post again later
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on June 28, 2006, 09:23:27 AM
What hotel did you stay in?
How you feeling now?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on June 28, 2006, 12:54:42 PM
HI ALL THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION JOVN HOPE YOUR HEALING, WELL THE INFOR HAS NOT MADE ME FEEL GOOD ABOUT MY FORTH COMEING OPP. i AM 98 KG WHY ON EARTH DOES IT COST MORE IF YOUR ARE HEAVY.AND WHO THE F--K IS ANTHONY WHO S GIVING OUT INFORMATION DIFFERENT FROM THE DOCTOR.WHAT S GOING ON OUT THERE.I HAVE READ ON THESE BOARDS THAT LIPO GETS RID OF EXCESS FAT CELLS SO IT IS JUST NOT ABOUY DIETING AND WORKING OUT. WHICH I DO. BUT I  STILL HAVE THE BICTHS WELL JOVN  ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THE TEATMENT IN POLAND. BY THE WAY HOW DO YOU GET MONEY OUT THE BANK CREDIT CARD ??? WELL I HOPE YOUR OK JOVN ,LEBOWSKI WHAT DO YOU THINK :o :o THE ONLY GOOD THING I READ IS THE PUSS--Y IS HOT
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on June 29, 2006, 06:08:10 AM
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HI ALL THANKS FOR THE INFORMATION JOVN HOPE YOUR HEALING, WELL THE INFOR HAS NOT MADE ME FEEL GOOD ABOUT MY FORTH COMEING OPP. i AM 98 KG WHY ON EARTH DOES IT COST MORE IF YOUR ARE HEAVY.AND WHO THE F--K IS ANTHONY WHO S GIVING OUT INFORMATION DIFFERENT FROM THE DOCTOR.WHAT S GOING ON OUT THERE.I HAVE READ ON THESE BOARDS THAT LIPO GETS RID OF EXCESS FAT CELLS SO IT IS JUST NOT ABOUY DIETING AND WORKING OUT. WHICH I DO. BUT I  STILL HAVE THE BICTHS WELL JOVN  ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THE TEATMENT IN POLAND. BY THE WAY HOW DO YOU GET MONEY OUT THE BANK CREDIT CARD ??? WELL I HOPE YOUR OK JOVN ,LEBOWSKI WHAT DO YOU THINK :o :o THE ONLY GOOD THING I READ IS THE PUSS--Y IS HOT


jovn, Were you just quoted for just lipo or excission as well for 1200 euros by Andreas?  I was told that it would be 1525 euros all in (lipo and excission) except compression vest and taxi. As for weight.. I'm 5'8 and 93 kgs  :o. Will I get the same treatment of, you are overweight etc ??? I have been doing a lot of weights etc to tighten the chest. I have lost a bit of weight from chest and have had no problem with loose skin, so I think I will be alright there. I am well built fat rather than just huge fat. Hopefully I'll lose a bit more weight by the 18th July. I am still a bit worried though... Can anyone else give us advice and their experience in Poland concerning such issues please??
garytogarygary, I hope we don't get the same teatment.  ???
This is my price:-

the package price for a gynecomastia and liposuction on the male breast is EUR 1525,- incl. VAT and includes the following:

•      Operation (Removal of gland and liposuction ) 1200 EUR
•      
•      Anaesthesia and one stay in the clinic after the operation  
EUR 260,-
•      One additional day at the clinic (full board)
EUR  65,-


The following services are also included in the package price
•      Blood examination if made before 10 a.m. (because of technical reason you will be charged an extra EUR 15,- after 10 a.m.)
•      medical examination before the operation
•      consultation with the chief surgeon
•      services of the interpreter in the clinic
•      medicine and necessary infusions at the clinic
•      changes of the dressing and examinations during the two days at the clinic
•      removal of stitches at the clinic (if desired)

Here is the price list link on their website:  
http://www.esculap-service.de/english/plasticsurgery/pricelist.htm



Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on June 29, 2006, 06:34:47 AM
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Well i was orignally quoted 1200 by Andreas but due to the extra weight i was actually told a price of just over 1500 Euros WHICH was the exact amount i had on me as i had brought xtra in case. (swomeone mentioned earlier they had a similar issue with the Doc quoting a price that happened to be the exact amount they had on them, slightly creepy moment i thought)..


What's with u guys, that u can't do simple arithmetic - the last guy had the same issue- - THE CLINIC DOES NOT charge you by your weight.

U forget to add on the Clinic charges.

I think it's 700eur for Gyne and 750 for Lipo procedures ONLY.
if u want both then instead of paying 1450, u get a dsicount and pay only 1200 eur for Procedures only.

Then there is about 325Eur for Clinic costs (stay, food, anesthesia). This is all always explained up front in the literature given, but you guys just seem to thick to realise this. (i'm an auditor and have to account for every detail and cost and it pisses me off when a simple statement can't be understood!)

Lebowski has the correct price list in his post above, which excatly the same as I got, read it carefully and took 1525 for my op. No extra cash problems.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on June 29, 2006, 09:03:27 AM
Hello all, i am back!!!  ;D
I haven't been on the forum due to uni exams and a 2 weeks holiday in lanzarote. I swear , it felt great walking along the beach bare chested :). I am brown as a berry and i feel fantastic , i even met a few ladies due to my new found confidence.  8) ;D
I see that i have a few private messages, so over the next few days i will try and respond to them all .

Those of you who are worrying about the price beak down, don't!!  ;D . The price is now one sum for gland removal and lipo....which is what we all want...no need then to return  :P  . The op costs 1200 euro ( gland & lipo) then plus the knock out juice ..about 260 ...but you can get it for 100 less if you want local...i did, but i am a double hard b*stard.....and a cheap-skate...lol. then 60 euro for the next night ......120 a return taxi fare....all together your op including flights should cost you ...Just get my calculator out..lol ...the maximum i think it will cost is £ 1200......which is nothing compared to UK prices  :o ;D.

asmallmeasureofpleasure ...AKA givemeresprite :
How's it going mate? healing well? Happy with the results?
I will post some more pics later now that i am tanned up hahahhahah

speak to you all soon :)  
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on June 29, 2006, 11:29:40 AM
Cheers to all of you that have posted replies to my earlier post today.
You have put my mind at rest!  ;D
Gary, I hope it's the same for you mate?
I can't wait!! ;D ;D ;D ;D


 
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on June 29, 2006, 11:36:43 AM
HI ALL ,WELL JOVN YOU GOT EVERYBODY GOING ON YOUR LAST MESSAGE 10 OUT OF 10 (ME INCLUED  ;)ARE YOU OK MATE, ASMALLMEASUREOFPEACE NO I AM NOT THINKING ABOUT IT YET  :o TO BUSY AT WORK WHICH IS GOOD MAYBE IN 2WEEKS I BE SH-TING BRICKS YOU SAID TELL THE DOC WHAT YOU WANT, I WANT A CHEST WITHOUT GYN I CAN SHOW HIM THE AREA  I WANT THE GLAND AND FAT REMOVED FROM IS THERE ANY THING MORE TO TELL HIM  HAPPY HEALING EVERYBODY
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jovn on June 29, 2006, 01:10:02 PM
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jovn, Were you just quoted for just lipo or excission as well for 1200 euros by Andreas?  I was told that it would be 1525 euros all in (lipo and excission) except compression vest and taxi. As for weight.. I'm 5'8 and 93 kgs  :o. Will I get the same treatment of, you are overweight etc ??? I have been doing a lot of weights etc to tighten the chest. I have lost a bit of weight from chest and have had no problem with loose skin, so I think I will be alright there. I am well built fat rather than just huge fat. Hopefully I'll lose a bit more weight by the 18th July. I am still a bit worried though... Can anyone else give us advice and their experience in Poland concerning such issues please??
garytogarygary, I hope we don't get the same teatment.  ???
This is my price:-

the package price for a gynecomastia and liposuction on the male breast is EUR 1525,- incl. VAT and includes the following:

&#8226;      Operation (Removal of gland and liposuction ) 1200 EUR
&#8226;      
&#8226;      Anaesthesia and one stay in the clinic after the operation  
EUR 260,-
&#8226;      One additional day at the clinic (full board)
EUR  65,-


The following services are also included in the package price
&#8226;      Blood examination if made before 10 a.m. (because of technical reason you will be charged an extra EUR 15,- after 10 a.m.)
&#8226;      medical examination before the operation
&#8226;      consultation with the chief surgeon
&#8226;      services of the interpreter in the clinic
&#8226;      medicine and necessary infusions at the clinic
&#8226;      changes of the dressing and examinations during the two days at the clinic
&#8226;      removal of stitches at the clinic (if desired)

Here is the price list link on their website:  
http://www.esculap-service.de/english/plasticsurgery/pricelist.htm






Dude thanks for the price by price breakdown, look sorry if i got a few of you guys going but i just said it like it came across to me during the consult my original emails to Andreas are from like in January when i first enquired so yah i could be remembering things different now.
However i still stand by the fact the weight thing is a big deal to them, thing is i have a fairly slim face, arms and legs just the beer belly i have been nurturing over the last few years that seemed a big deal to them.

I still think they cant understand why they are getting all these people in for this procedure, they must feel like its some big joke and someone someday will let them in on it.

I dont want to put anyone of going but then again i dont really want to encourage anyone too much else i find in a few weeks my results are not all that.

I know thats not exactly what anyone wants to hear so let me just say as things are now if the slight swelling i have and the build up of blood on the left side giving it a overall bigger shape were all to heal over tomorrow and i was left with the exact shape they both are now i would still be well pleased.

I feel comfortable and most importantly look normal in a  t shirt without my bandages and vest so what more can i ask.

I guess short of things going wrong with my healing i wont have any probs reccomending the place.

Oh and if i havent peeved peeps of enough and your interested to know, i have no real pain and bruising on my top right side is better though my left bottom side still feels liquidy.

Anthony said to just keep my chest tighly compressed but i heard that taking Ibuprofen and applying cold compress does help with the brusing and blood build up, may start to give it a try in a few days time.
I have just finished the last of the 4 day course of antibiotics (Ceporex) which are Huge tablets to have to take so lil Ibu ones should'nt be too much of a task.

I will try and get a few pics up later

Jovn
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on June 29, 2006, 06:56:01 PM
jovn.
Sorry if this sounds harsh but.
 Your posts are contradictive and you praise poland one minute then knock it the next.
  Yes you have a right to express your opinion on here like everyone else but get your facts right!!
  I was alarmed and very confused by your posts.
 You are not doing yourself or anyone else any favours by beening positive in one sentence then negative in the next!
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jovn on June 30, 2006, 12:17:53 AM
The place has good and bad aspects to it cant help but that is the way it is.
My experience i guess is prolly a mixture of most peeps and some of StoneColds mates thrown in for good measure.
I guess results are what matter and for that i'll have to wait and see in the meantime lets just leave it at that then.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on June 30, 2006, 11:11:56 AM
HI ALL WELL  ,I FEEL BETTER NOW THATS SORTED. FROM WHAT I READ THEY SEEM NICE POEPLE .( DOCTOR PLEASE , REMOVE THE GYN FROM MY CHEST NURSE ,AFTER  THE OPP PLEASE COULD YOU SIT ON MY FACE TO HELP THE SWELLING :o :o)YEP I KNOWN WHAT TO SAY HAPPY HEALING THAILAND GARY
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on June 30, 2006, 01:57:40 PM
i emailed a couple of weeks back and still not heard anything back as of yet :(
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on July 01, 2006, 12:13:30 AM
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i emailed a couple of weeks back and still not heard anything back as of yet :(


I never heard anything for a week so I phoned Andreas.
He told me that in August the clinic is shut for 3 weeks for holidays.

There is a phone number and e mail addy for Andreas on the website but here it is:

Andreas Ciesla
Esculap Service
Tel: +49 (0) 2359/ 903 620,  
Mo – Fr: 9 a.m. until 7 p.m.  
Saturdays: 9 a.m. until 2 p.m.
esculap@web.de

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jon333 on July 01, 2006, 12:55:56 AM
can anyone tell how long before it took them before there chest felt better? ,

i hoping to go for op soon but i also need to go to work and need to lift boxes and this will lean against my chest?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on July 01, 2006, 04:06:13 PM
Lebowski = THE BIG LEBOWSKI  ;D
After the film!!
  I'm not Polish and do not have any connection to the Poland Clinic apart from I am going there on the 18th July 2006.
 
 
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jerry01 on July 02, 2006, 07:40:51 AM
Hi,

i am new to this board however i have been following for a while. After following the posts i have decided that i am going to go to Poland for surgery as i was earlier pursuing surgery in the uk however will not be able to afford it for quite a while ( And cant wait to do something about these breasts). Poland seems like a great option for me and everyone who has posted their stories on here i thankyou very much.
I contacted Andrea last week via e mail and i recieved a reply the very next day. he e mailed me various details across and as far as the operation specs are concerned all recent post estimates seam dead on! also the operation specs CLEARLY state the following....
"•Operation (Gynecomastia -and Liposuction)"

Anyway thanks all. I am planning on calling andrea personally soon to arrange surgery for some time between Oct - Nov as this is the nearest convienience for me to get annual leave! so if anyone is heading over around then and fancies someone to have a beer or two with and a bit of craic let me know!

Jerry :)
8)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on July 02, 2006, 09:41:31 AM
HI ALL, I BET ALL THE POST OPP BOYS ARE DOWN AT THE BEACH IN THIS HOT WEATHER.TOPLESS 8)GOOD ON YER ;) I WISHED I HAD THE OPP YEARS AGO. AS YOU GET OLDER THE LESS YOU CARE,ABOUT THE CONDITION  IT WILL STILL BE GOOD TO GET RID OF THE BICTHS. ONE QUESTION WHEN YOU SEE DOC BEFORE  THE OPP.  :o :o :o DO YOU TELL HIM YOU WANT EXCISSION & LIPO OR DOES THE DOC TELL YOU WHAT HE THINKS IS BEST FOR YOUR CONDITION. I DO NOT WANT TO COME HOME JUST HAVEING LIPO WHEN I SHOULD HAVE HAD A EXCCISSION. ON THE OTHER HAND THERE IS MORE MONEY IN DOING THE BOTH.FOR HIM (I AM NOT SAIDING HE WORKS IN THIS WAY )JUST THINKING ALOUD,NO , THE DOC IS A GREAT,, GREAT, GREAT, MAN HE IS GOING TO CUT ME UP IN FEW WEEKS  :o :o I LOVE HIM, ANY THOUGHTS ,
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jon333 on July 02, 2006, 12:47:51 PM
i am planing to go to poland end july for op..

can you tell me how long healing take ?? im a manual worker so iv been told i will need to rest for 2 weeks..

i need to return to work after op but unsure if 2 weeks will be long enough

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on July 02, 2006, 11:27:10 PM
jon333, the healing takes months but i found that after 2weeks i was fine to do anything i did before. Just have to be carefull not to knock the chest as it will hurt then.

GTGG, the surgeon will decide what's best for you when you see him before the op. He won't just say excission and lipo for the sake of the money, when i went he wanted to do excission only as i had large glands and then shape me with lipo in 6months if i wasn't happy with things. He explains everything well so i went with his advise.

Everyone else, hi guys, sorry not been around for a while, just got back from Las Vegas  ;D

My results aren't improving as fast as they were and i was no way confident enough to take my top off abroad. From reading what jovn said, his experience sounds alot like mine, being told that excess skin could be a problem and that i may need that took out but from many threads i have read no other surgeon seems to consider this a problem as the skin is very elastic and i am definatly not a severe case compared to others i've seen and their skin has shrunk back to place. After nearly 2months i haven't any loose skin at all.

Weight was mentioned also and i'm not massively overweight, i've lost over a stone since the op and will continue untill i'm a stick if i have too so if/when i go back what he sees is fat i can't shake with loosing weight.

Will update more hopefully with pics as soon as i can.

Ian
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: karl_82 on July 03, 2006, 05:22:26 AM
Hi guys!

I'm booked in my september for the op. Booked via email.

Can i just ask if the compression vest is included in the price or will i need to buy this seperate? If the latter, how much does this cost?

Thanks
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on July 03, 2006, 10:54:03 AM
Hi Karl,
It will cost about £30 ...they will measure you when you get there ( sometimes andreas request your size before you go) . The vest arrives on the morning of your departure ( from the clinic...lol) .

Started my first day at work today chaps, i am knackered and gutted i haven't been on here much ...due to uni, holidays, work, women.....lol....and flashing my nips to strangers...

Hi Ian, how was vegas ?
I wouldn't be to upset with your progess , i would be happy that my skin has shrunk back nice and all you need now is lipo....:) . We can all have a reunion there...lol
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on July 03, 2006, 11:00:49 AM
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can anyone tell how long before it took them before there chest felt better? ,

i hoping to go for op soon but i also need to go to work and need to lift boxes and this will lean against my chest?


Hi Mate.
I was in the gym just before two weeks and i was doing heavy presses with out any problems. I am not advising this , as we are all different...lol.. I think you will be ok for work after about 5 days , if u aren't lifting to heavy . What type of manual work do you do? If you dig roads or chop trees and go on the sick till i felt healed.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on July 03, 2006, 11:02:02 AM
Hi Mark, vegas was sweet, what a place, didn't want to come home  ;D

Not really upset with the progress as i didn't go with high expectations so i've got the results i expected, i suppose. Got 4months yet before Baranski will even consider doing any lipo so he obviously expects change to occur upto that point. Hopefully lipo will be the end to all this  :-/
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on July 06, 2006, 01:34:04 PM
HI ALL, MARK YOU POSTED THAT WHEN YOU HAD THE OPP YOU ONLY HAD A LOCAL WERE YOU JOKEING IF NOT DID YOU YOU FEEL MUCH . SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE IN-JOYING LIFE WITHOUT THE CURSE, GOOD ON YOU MATE ;D (BYE THE WAY WHEN WEARING THESE NIKE COMPESSION VESTS  YOU GO IN TO A PUB INSTEAD OF ORDERING A DRINK AM ,THE ONLY GAY IN THE VILLAGE COMES OUT)ONLY JOKEING  ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: fajast on July 07, 2006, 02:36:48 AM
Hi All,
just want to ask if any of you tried to go there by Frankfurt Oder instead of Berlin? I have to pick that route 'cause I am in Germany. One more thing, I have been given the date of 7thSept by Andreas on email. How long before the op did you guys reveice your written confirmation 'cause I will need it to get a Polish visa.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on July 10, 2006, 10:14:18 AM
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HI ALL, MARK YOU POSTED THAT WHEN YOU HAD THE OPP YOU ONLY HAD A LOCAL WERE YOU JOKEING IF NOT DID YOU YOU FEEL MUCH . SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE IN-JOYING LIFE WITHOUT THE CURSE, GOOD ON YOU MATE  (BYE THE WAY WHEN WEARING THESE NIKE COMPESSION VESTS  YOU GO IN TO A PUB INSTEAD OF ORDERING A DRINK AM ,THE ONLY GAY IN THE VILLAGE COMES OUT)ONLY JOKEING    
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Hi mate, No i wasn't joking about the local . I requested it and saved myself a 100 euro too....you are sedated so only feel a bit off pushing and pulling, its nowt...i swear but hten again i live in the North-east , so am HARD....lol. Joking aside , its nothing to panic over . I think a few guys on this site have had local , it leaves you less groggy and drugged up after. I slept longer after gerneral....all the way through the night with Ian .

I have davyd slippers...lol
:) .

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just want to ask if any of you tried to go there by Frankfurt Oder instead of Berlin? I have to pick that route 'cause I am in Germany. One more thing, I have been given the date of 7thSept by Andreas on email. How long before the op did you guys reveice your written confirmation 'cause I will need it to get a Polish visa.  
Thanks!


Hi mate, you don't get a written confirmation as such . It is more of an agreement that u turn up....lol . Did you email back and say you will have it? If so , thats it...lol Unless you need to arrange a taxi to pick you up .
Also you don't need a visa to enter Poland as you are  a member of the EU and so is Poland....The visa thing changed about 2002 . :) .

The hotel and clinic is within walking distance of the Frankfurt oder and slublice border

Hope this helps....:)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: fajast on July 11, 2006, 12:34:03 AM
Thanks mark, but I forgot to mention one BIG factor :o, I am in Germany but I am not a German national. I am an interntaional student from Pakistan and my course will finish by this Nov and that's why I am in a hurry to get the op done  8) But thanks, I got it that none of you had to apply for a visa. I received the letter from the hospital yesterday, hope it will help in getting a visa  :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: fajast on July 11, 2006, 03:04:16 AM
Forgot to ask one thing  :) Does Dr Baranski do anything for post op fuid drainage or not. I have seen several post op pics where patients have tubes attached with their chest to aid fluid drainage, So does he use any such procedure or prefers total natural healing? Thanks Buddy
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ghostrider on July 13, 2006, 02:06:04 AM
just booked poland surgery for the 5th of september, cant wait now , i will post pre and post op pics, i have opted for excision and lipo and will be questioning them hard before my surgery to make sure they are removing al the gland as if told anything different will not be going under the knife ....as there is no way i want further surgery etc to correct things that should be removed the 1st time round ...... i also will be asking the doc following surgery about removing any scar fluid that builds up if i can have it removed as this seems to be a big cause of dissapointment for everyone and slows down the results process and in some cases leaves you after the healing process like you still have gyne ..f**k that for a game of soldiers ....i want that fluid out and my nipples flat as a pancake ...... if the drans dont take it all out i want it out by syringe like that guy on here called gruff did i will remove myself if they dont or wont get it all out......sorry if im sounding a little aggressive but thats how this coditions gets me at times ...../..i just want rid of it 1st time round and learning from everyone on here i can tell you have to be firm wth your surgeon about what you want removing.. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ghostrider on July 13, 2006, 02:51:55 AM
haha...i like it.....thanks for the support my friend.....just need to book a dirt cheap hotel now thats close to the surgery practise....i better get searching...
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on July 13, 2006, 11:55:11 AM
HI ALL WELL NEXT I AM OFF TO POLAND 20TH AM RIGHT BEHIND YOU LEBOWSKI . OFF TO BUY A NIKE VEST SUNDAY.  AT THE GYM LAST NIGHT TAIKING TO A FRIEND WHOS GOT HARD LUMPS UNDER HIS NIPPLES THROUGH GEAR. MY PROMBLE IS THAT I HAVE PECS BUT AROUND THE NIPPLES I CARRIED SOFT FAT TISSUE OR COULD IT BE GLAND ,IT IS NOT HARD ANY CONMENTS WELL NOT LONG NOW , DOES ANY KNOW IF THERE IS A NOCKING SHOP IN THE AREA.  ???
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on July 14, 2006, 02:39:07 AM
Hi gary!
Not long now mate!!  ;D
 If you pinch your breasts horizontally and vertically and can feel hard lump(s) then you more than likely have gland.
 I know this as I went ot see a NHS surgeon a while back and that is what he did and he said yes there is gland there. But that is a disapointing NHS story from a referral from GP. NHS aren't bothered, that's all I can say!!  :(
  Well not in my area...
  Also I have lost weight in the past and done weights on chest area and have tightened chest but have still been left with breasts and lumps when I do horiz and vert pinch.
 I hope that helps.
 I'll give you a bell before I leave and when I've had the op, so don't worry!!  ;D
 I'll keep posting on here to let everyone know how I am.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on July 14, 2006, 02:41:57 AM
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DOES ANY KNOW IF THERE IS A NOCKING SHOP IN THE AREA.  ???


Yes!
The clinic, where I'm having these fuckers knocked off my chest!!
 I'll keep my eyes and ears open for you and if I hear of any then I will let you know!! ;)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on July 16, 2006, 12:51:46 AM
HI ALL COUNT DOWN, LOWSKI 5 4 3 OFF WITH THE TITTES . JUST OFF TO BUY A NIKE VEST THANKS FOR THE INFORAMATION. IF, ??? IT IS ONLY FAT ON MY CHEST IS  IT STILL  GYN .MY NIPPLES ARE OVAL SHAPED AND  HAVE FAT UNDER THEM. WHEN IT IS COLD MY NIPPLES GET SMALLER WHICH MAKES MY CHEST LOOK TIGHT I KNOW IT IS LATE GOING OVER THIS BUT WHEN I MEET DOC I WOULD LIKE SOME SORT OF INSIGTH INTO MY CONDITION.WELL TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE POSTED INFORMATION ON THIS SITE A BIG BIG THANK-YOU ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on July 16, 2006, 04:28:00 AM
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Hi Guys , sorry for the delay in posting a recent pic . I am sorry i haven't been on much, but as you all know ...i don't have much time anymore...lol.

So how is everyone? Who has just got back from Poland and how did it go?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on July 16, 2006, 04:33:44 AM
HI ALL ME AGIAN DID YOU THINK YOU COULD GET RID OF ME THAT EASY ;D. WELL JUST GOT BACK FOR THE SHOPS HATE SHOPING  >:( LAST-MIN SHOPING THAT S ME . BOUGTH A NIKE VENT TOP XL BUT IT IS FAR TO TIGHT CAN NOT MOVE IN IT WILL HAVE TO WORK NI IT AFTER OP. SO LOOKING FOR A XXL. RANG SHOP J D SPORTS WERE I BOUGHT XL FROM DO NOT STOCK XXL . BUT NIKE DO MAKE THAT SIZE. ANY BODY KNOW WERE I CAN BUY ONE BEFORE THE 20TH JULY I LIVE IN KINGSTON SURREY . THANKS ALL,
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on July 16, 2006, 11:22:05 AM
Not long now ;D
 I fly out tomorrow ;D  Then have op Tuesday.
I'm bricking it a bit  :-/  I know that it's for the best so will kick myself up the arse when I get up in the morning and get on with it!! :D
 I'm back late on the 20th so will post on the 21st but I'll try and get to that internet cafe and send an update!!
Gary, I'll phone you tomorrow before I go and text you after op etc to let you know how things are over there etc.  
 Bye all for now!!

  BL.
 
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on July 16, 2006, 11:47:25 AM
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HI ALL COUNT DOWN, LOWSKI 5 4 3 OFF WITH THE TITTES . JUST OFF TO BUY A NIKE VEST THANKS FOR THE INFORAMATION. IF, ??? IT IS ONLY FAT ON MY CHEST IS  IT STILL  GYN .MY NIPPLES ARE OVAL SHAPED AND  HAVE FAT UNDER THEM. WHEN IT IS COLD MY NIPPLES GET SMALLER WHICH MAKES MY CHEST LOOK TIGHT I KNOW IT IS LATE GOING OVER THIS BUT WHEN I MEET DOC I WOULD LIKE SOME SORT OF INSIGTH INTO MY CONDITION.WELL TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE POSTED INFORMATION ON THIS SITE A BIG BIG THANK-YOU ;) ;) ;)


Post a couple of pics on here if you can. People will have a better idea to comment if they can see.

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on July 16, 2006, 12:12:55 PM
HI, I posted a recent pic above. Any comments?

Good luck guys, everything will be fine....i am still alive, just!!!!! lol Apart from the nipples which have fell off ;) . When you go to the clinic can you get my boxers from lost property :) ......

I suggest reading a few of the back posts about visiting Frankfurt oder etc and where to find a nice pint or Mac D's...lol

They will be mid may
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on July 16, 2006, 12:56:50 PM
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HI, I posted a recent pic above. Any comments?

Good luck guys, everything will be fine....i am still alive, just!!!!! lol Apart from the nipples which have fell off ;) . When you go to the clinic can you get my boxers from lost property :) ......

I suggest reading a few of the back posts about visiting Frankfurt oder etc and where to find a nice pint or Mac D's...lol

They will be mid may


The chest looks good.
Next time you take a photo, do it on self timer or get some one to take it for you as your right side looks different to your left. It's because you are holding the camera with your left hand\arm outstretched.
As far as I can see, it is perfect!! Just that little niggle.
 I'd be proud of a chest like that!!
 
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jon333 on July 17, 2006, 02:46:12 AM
Can you tell me what happens before and after operation ? are you unconscious ?.

did you feel sick after operation and how long did you feel better after op

I have booked my operation end of July  now feeling anxiety
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on July 20, 2006, 05:17:52 PM
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Can you tell me what happens before and after operation ? are you unconscious ?.

did you feel sick after operation and how long did you feel better after op

I have booked my operation end of July  now feeling anxiety
Hi all, I just got back from Poland and I'm off to bed. jon333, I will write up my experiences later.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jon333 on July 21, 2006, 07:21:28 AM
hi all

im off to berlin sunday night.... nervous now i will try to put on here all i can and photos.... back thursday morning

jon :-X
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: fajast on July 22, 2006, 12:04:36 AM
Good luck jon333, finally you are going to get rid of it  8) My surgery is on 7th Sep, a few more weeks to go ;) Hey Lebowski, how are you doing man ?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on July 22, 2006, 08:47:08 AM
It went well and I feel ok.
The place is good and the doctors and nurses were very nice and helpful.
 Everything was explained to me and I was asked if I had any questions etc.
 The op went smoothly etc. I felt more sore than pain. I had to have one lot of painkillers on the second night. I had to have drains fitted as I had a lot taken out so could not venture out of the clinic.
 I will post a full write up later or tomorrow.
 
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on July 23, 2006, 05:00:15 AM
Well here goes. 8)
Airport to hotel then it’s the NEXT DAY….      
I got to the clinic for 9 am and was shown to my room. At 10 am Dr.Baranski and Antony (he is also a doctor) who is Dr.Baranski’s right hand man and interpreter came to see me. They examined my chest and then Antony had a discussion with me about their findings and the procedure. Dr.Baranski then left and Antony and myself carried on talking etc.
Then a nurse came in and inserted a little plastic device with a needle into my left arm and taped it up.
11 am and the anaesthetist came to see me and asked me questions and examined me by listening to my heart and lungs and then took my blood pressure. Everything was ok so he filled his form in and went.
At noon a nurse came in with a hospital gown and trousers and some tight stockings for anti thrombosis.
I changed into the garments and waited. At 1 pm a nurse took me through to the operating theatre. I was put onto the operating table which was in the shape of a cross, I had my arms strapped down and was given an injection and put on a drip. I was told what they were but have now forgotten. Then I was asked a couple of questions and remember answering one of them but not the next, I must have been asleep by then.
When I had woken up from the op I was told that they had put drains in as they had to take a lot out and not to worry. I also had my compression vest on.
I was feeling very cold, I don’t know why as it was 32c outside. I was shivering so they put blankets on me and put me in the recovery room for a couple of hours. A nurse was there to keep and eye on me, she asked me every so often if I was ok etc. I felt very groggy for a while but had a BIG SMILE ;D because I had it done!!
I was eventually taken back to my room and just drifted in and out of sleep. A nurse came in every so often and checked on me.
I woke up next day and my chest felt sore but no pain. I was given some antibiotics and told to take one in the morning and one at night and then was given an anti thrombosis injection. Dr.Baranski came in to check on me and said that I must walk around a bit.
I couldn’t go out of the clinic because I had drains on so walked around the room for ten minutes every hour. Antony came in later on in the morning to see how I was getting on. The nurse changed the drains when they got full. I just watched television and walked around the room that day.
The next day I was woken with another anti thrombosis shot and breakfast. Then Antony and Dr.Baranski came in to see me and take out the drains. This was the worst thing of all. I was standing up and took off my compression vest then Dr.Baranski got a scalpel blade and cut some of the plaster off around the tubes and gently pulled them out. It felt very odd having them pulled out, numb pain is how I would describe it. They told me not to shower for 4 hours as it would take that long for the tube openings to seal. They were inserted in the corner of the areola.
I told them that I was going home later that day and that the taxi would pick me up at 7 pm. They transferred me to a room upstairs until then.
I was visited by Antony who gave me a form with all the surgery info on and told to keep it safe as I would need to bring it back if I had any problems etc.
Then later on the taxi picked me up and took me to the airport and then back to England and home. I drove 52 miles home from the airport with no problems at all. I did take it steady though!
I still feel sore in the chest area but have no pain. My left side is more swollen than the right, I did ask Antony and he said it is due to the swelling and it will go down.
I did notice that my right drain was filling up a lot more than my left. My left one was changed twice whilst my right one 4 times. I suppose there is a lot of fluid and blood stuck in there.
Anyway, I just have to wait for the healing to see the results. I’m happy with it so far.
I’m gasping for a ciggie but I am not having one!!

On the whole….
Docs and nurses are nice and friendly and tell you everything they are about to do like what the injection is for etc.
Nice place, very clean and modern.
They made me a lovely vegetarian dish for dinner when there was nothing on the menu I liked. I found the menu was a bit of a struggle because it was in Polish and German. Antony helped me out with the translation but then said that he would sort out something veggie.
I hope I made sense.
I will keep you informed on my progress.
Thanks to everyone on here for their info and support!! :) 8)

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on July 23, 2006, 05:25:40 AM
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Congratulations mate. Im well chuffed for you. It seems like all went well. So you didnt get a chance to explore the city did you, thats a shame. But who cares, at least you've had the surgery. Things will start to look up from now on  :)

Cheers mate! No I didn't get to walk around the city as I had drains on for 2 days. I could of had a walk when I had them out but it was very hot outside so decided to stay in the clinic where it was cool. It was very hot in the taxi on the way to the airport in the evening, I was sweating buckets, all I had on was the compression vest and a cotton shirt. I sent a text to gary yesterday to see how he was. He sent one back saying he is ok.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on July 23, 2006, 12:22:00 PM
Hey the big Lebowski....
Welcome to the club , i am thrilled to see that you had a very positive experience . I hope that it will settle the nerves of other pre op guys ( pre gyne op not sex change..lol) . Its a shame that you had the drips in , because slublice would have been good to explore.

Keep us posted on your recovery and post some pics when u get the chance.

And once again ' Welcome to the club and congratulations ' .

Mark

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on July 23, 2006, 01:13:13 PM
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Hey the big Lebowski....
Welcome to the club , i am thrilled to see that you had a very positive experience . I hope that it will settle the nerves of other pre op guys ( pre gyne op not sex change..lol) . Its a shame that you had the drips in , because slublice would have been good to explore.

Keep us posted on your recovery and post some pics when u get the chance.

And once again ' Welcome to the club and congratulations ' .

Mark


Cheers mate.
It would of been nice to see a bit of Slubice but it was not to be.
I will post some pics when I have had the sticky plaster and stitches out.
To others going out..  Don't be nervous as it's not that bad.


Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on July 23, 2006, 03:10:02 PM
HI ALL JUST GOT BACK SUNDAY NIGHT. READ LEBOWSKI REPORT 100 RIGHT EVERYTHING HE WROTE , BUT I ONLY HAD LIP I DID WRITE BEFORE I WAS NOT SHORE IF I HAD INLARGE GLANDS AS I COULD FEEL ON HARDEST AROUND THE NIPPLE . THE FRIST DOC SAID WE WILL TAKE A VERY LITTLE BIT OF GLAND AWAY.  BECAUES YOUR GLANDS ARE NOT IN LARGE THEN THE SURGEON CAME INTO THE ROOM TO CHECK ME OUT AND SAID JUST LIP AS MY GLANDS WHERE NOT IN LARGE I HAD LIP ON MY LOWER TUMMY AS WELL . I THOUGHT THIS GUY IS A DOCTOR I AM A BUILDER I THINK HE KNOWS MORE ABOUT MY CONDITION THAN I DO .SO I TOOK HIS ADVICE RIGTH OR WRONG I WILL SEE IN A MONTH OR TWO IF WRONG I BE BACK . I HOPE NOT. BUT GUYS DONT WORRY VERY VERY GOOD SERVICE.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on July 23, 2006, 03:30:47 PM
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HI ALL JUST GOT BACK SUNDAY NIGHT. READ LEBOWSKI REPORT 100 RIGHT EVERYTHING HE WROTE , BUT I ONLY HAD LIP I DID WRITE BEFORE I WAS NOT SHORE IF I HAD INLARGE GLANDS AS I COULD FEEL ON HARDEST AROUND THE NIPPLE . THE FRIST DOC SAID WE WILL TAKE A VERY LITTLE BIT OF GLAND AWAY.  BECAUES YOUR GLANDS ARE NOT IN LARGE THEN THE SURGEON CAME INTO THE ROOM TO CHECK ME OUT AND SAID JUST LIP AS MY GLANDS WHERE NOT IN LARGE I HAD LIP ON MY LOWER TUMMY AS WELL . I THOUGHT THIS GUY IS A DOCTOR I AM A BUILDER I THINK HE KNOWS MORE ABOUT MY CONDITION THAN I DO .SO I TOOK HIS ADVICE RIGTH OR WRONG I WILL SEE IN A MONTH OR TWO IF WRONG I BE BACK . I HOPE NOT. BUT GUYS DONT WORRY VERY VERY GOOD SERVICE.


Nice to hear that you are back mate. I hope you are healing well? Let us know how you are getting on.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: fajast on July 24, 2006, 08:31:50 AM
Congrats Lebowski and GTGG, glad to hear that things went nice and you are free of this gyne  8) I am just getting more and more excited hearing the positive experiences. Soon I will too be able to wear a nice light coloured T-Shirt, walk topless on beach etc etc ;)

Just one thing, How long before the op are you required to stop eating / drinking ? as I will leave for the clinic exactly on the day of Op, it will be nice to have some guidance in advacne. And Guys, please post your pics, I just love to see gyne being defeated ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on July 24, 2006, 10:00:16 AM
How long do I have to stay of the alcohol for? How long did you wait before having a beer\spirit after the op?
I want to have a drink but don't know if I should. I should of asked the doc but forgot. :-[
It will be 7 days tomorrow since I had the op.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on July 24, 2006, 10:40:19 AM
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I didnt touch a drop for about a month. Dunno if that was over the top but i wanted to play safe. I suppose there shouldnt be a problem after a week or two. Just dont get smashed to the point of falling down on your chest though  :o



Cheers mate.
I was only thinking of having a couple of vodka and cokes.  ;D
 

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on July 24, 2006, 02:03:27 PM
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Can i ask if it is possible to get a note from your GP for poland covering the date of surgery + rest time?


I'm not sure, it depends on your GP I suppose.
It's best aproaching your GP.
If not then book it as holiday.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jon333 on July 24, 2006, 11:36:07 PM
hi all,
im in internet cafe by hospital in poland just had surgery and feel fine .. im bored sitting around so have just gone for walk look around area, (its very warm here )

if you have any questions ? i will be back thursday  
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on July 25, 2006, 07:55:36 AM
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How long do I have to stay of the alcohol for? How long did you wait before having a beer\spirit after the op?
I want to have a drink but don't know if I should. I should of asked the doc but forgot. :-[
It will be 7 days tomorrow since I had the op.



When Mark and i went for a walk around the next day we were practically ordered by Baranski to have a couple of beers, it helps with the blood or something, well we only heard the have a couple of beers then we were gone like the wind  ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on July 25, 2006, 11:23:11 AM
How long after the surgery did you all start massaging and did it help?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on July 26, 2006, 11:49:38 AM
great to hear they cater for us Veggies :D
im at the hospital (NHS) on monday to see what they can do for me
if i dont get any joy im booking in to sublice :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jon333 on July 26, 2006, 04:05:10 PM
hey im back

LEBOWSKI has swelling gone down? i think mine were bigger when i left hospital.

hate the vest they give you,  

im off to see my doctor today for advice on what next ? for me


Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: oakjazz on July 27, 2006, 03:32:59 AM
How's everyone doing?

Just confirmed my surgery date of 31/07 with Andries, anyone else due for that period. Have to admit I'm really nervous, will probably get more nervous as the day approaches. I have however waited so long for this, there's no turning back now, for years I searched and searched the internet for an affordable way round this curse till I stumbled on the Polish thread.

There's no going back now!
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on July 27, 2006, 11:08:46 AM
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hey im back

LEBOWSKI has swelling gone down? i think mine were bigger when i left hospital.

hate the vest they give you,  

im off to see my doctor today for advice on what next ? for me




Alright jon333.
I hope you are healing well.
The swelling has gone down a bit but there is some still there on both sides. The chest looks a lot flatter than before but I will have to wait a while longer to see the final results as it has only been 9 days post op.
I don't understand by what you are saying about going to see your doctor about what next????
Please be more specific...
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on July 27, 2006, 12:21:20 PM
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hey im back  

LEBOWSKI has swelling gone down? i think mine were bigger when i left hospital.

hate the vest they give you,  

im off to see my doctor today for advice on what next ? for me


Hi John,
Great news , i bet you feel great.
Don't worry about the swelling it is to be expected and will subside soon . How was your experience of the clinic and slublice? I hope your expectations were met . :)

So, welcome to the club mate, and i wish you a speedy recovery .

All you signed up members to the ' i have no moobs club ' , can we have some pre op and post op pictures.Pictures of slublice and Frankfurt would also be good for easing the nerves of those who are still waiting to go :) .

Cheers and congrats to those who have just got back .

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on July 27, 2006, 12:25:35 PM
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Alright jon333.
I hope you are healing well.
The swelling has gone down a bit but there is some still there on both sides. The chest looks a lot flatter than before but I will have to wait a while longer to see the final results as it has only been 9 days post op.
I don't understand by what you are saying about going to see your doctor about what next?
Please be more specific...


I think he means for the removal of his sutures. I took mine out myself but probs not advised....i didn't tell people on here at the time as i felt a bit stupid...lol. But no harm was done!!!  ;D

I am glad to hear you are healing well , and at only 9 days post op....keep us posted.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on July 27, 2006, 12:30:50 PM
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How's everyone doing?  

Just confirmed my surgery date of 31/07 with Andries, anyone else due for that period. Have to admit I'm really nervous, will probably get more nervous as the day approaches. I have however waited so long for this, there's no turning back now, for years I searched and searched the internet for an affordable way round this curse till I stumbled on the Polish thread.

There's no going back now!



Hi oakjaz and welcome!!! You have made the right choice. I hope the information and all the acounts from the post op guys have helped ease your nerves and most of all , helped to prepare you for Poland.
I also done the same as you , i searched and searched and searched for cheap surgery.....and found a few in Poland!!! Buy sadly i could find nobody who had been before , so i took the leap and decided to go on blind faith and i am glad that i was right.....not just for me , but for all you guys!!!!
;D
Do you have any pics? Any questins just Pm me......

Good luck bud
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on July 27, 2006, 12:35:13 PM
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on Jul 24th, 2006, 8:00pm, LEBOWSKI wrote:How long do I have to stay of the alcohol for? How long did you wait before having a beer\spirit after the op?
I want to have a drink but don't know if I should. I should of asked the doc but forgot.  
It will be 7 days tomorrow since I had the op.  




When Mark and i went for a walk around the next day we were practically ordered by Baranski to have a couple of beers, it helps with the blood or something, well we only heard the have a couple of beers then we were gone like the wind


Yes, this is true.....but me an ian somehow got confused with his instructions and thought he meant drink a couple of pints every hour....I know easily done!!!! ;) . We left the clinic at around 12 pm and staggered in some time after 12 am.....and very tipsy, i fell out of bed and hurt myself. ( I thought i had broke my arm and still have a scar now!!! ) ...lol

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on July 27, 2006, 12:38:23 PM
A question for all you guys who have fat and no gland, have you considered flab jab ( lipodissolve) ...It's 125 quid per area...and is an injection durhhh....lol  :P . Does anybody dare go first for the good of the group? One for the team and all that....lol. I might get my stomach done, would save on the sit-ups and jogging....lol

;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jon333 on July 28, 2006, 01:14:33 AM
hi all

im feeling ok today just a bit sore still, i went to show my own doctor results and they say its healing ok that was it.
iv just washed my poland vest and have the nike vest  but they told me in poland wear polish vest .

i have pre op photos and after op photos and will post on site as soon as i work out how to do it

warning.  if you go to poland and you walk over to germany take your passport do not take photo on border lol
i was taken in office and made to delete them(by germans)

ok im off for few days now sunny wales
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: oakjazz on July 28, 2006, 10:41:58 PM
Hey markashleigh1979,

The info and support on these boards have been tremendous, I'd like to thank you for your pioneering efforts as regards Poland.

I've got tons of questions and will keep asking as time goes on. I'm off to Poland tomorrow morning, will stay one night at he hotel and then go for the operation on Monday. How do U take a shower with the stitches still on? how long before U start taking shwers?, how long do U wait before taking off the stitches? How long do u wait before going back to wor?, can U go back to work before having the stitches off? I'll ask more as I remember. I'll definitely post pictures as soon as I'm done.

Thanks everyone.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: fajast on July 29, 2006, 09:33:36 AM
Guys !!! post some pics, can't wait to see your positive experiences  ;D tell me it all went fine and smooth, were you guys nervous ? how did you relax ? did anyone of you remember anything during the surgery :o ?

I was reading the Word files Andreas sent me and I noticed that he he has asked us to bring our ECG and Blood Tests to the clinic, did anyone take these things with him ?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on July 29, 2006, 11:15:51 AM
HI ALL ,MARKASLEIGH 10 OUT 10 OF MATE GETING PISSED AND FALLING OUT OF BED AFTER YOUR OP. LIKE YOUR STYE, WELL IT IS A WEEK TODAY PRE OP EVERYTHING OK JUST THIS F--KING VEST WRONG TIME OF YEAR TO HAVE THIS TIGHT VEST ON AND WORKING IN THE SUN .AS I ONLY HAD LIP I AM NOT SURE IF I WILL BE HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS. LEB YOU SAID YOU READED THAT THE GLAND CAN BE SOFT AND BE TAKEN OUT BY LIP.(ANY MORE ON THIS ANYBODY) ANYBODY GOING TO POLAND I WOULD GET A SPECIST OPINION FRIST. I AM NOT SAYING THAT YOU DO NOT GET GOOD ADVICE IN POLAND .BUT IT WILL GIVE YOU  TWO OPINIONS WHICH IS BETTER THAN ONE . PERSONAL I THINK I GOT THE RIGHT ADVICE BECAUES MY CHEST WAS NOT HARD GLAND. WE SEE, FAJAST. I WAS NOT ASKED TO BRING MY ECG OR BLOOD TESTS . (DONT WORRY IT WILL BE OK MANY HAVE GONE AND HAVE CAME BACK WITH A VERY POSITIVE EMPERIENCE YOUR BE ALL-RIGHT )
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on July 29, 2006, 05:30:56 PM
Quote
HI ALL ,MARKASLEIGH 10 OUT 10 OF MATE GETING PISSED AND FALLING OUT OF BED AFTER YOUR OP. LIKE YOUR STYE, WELL IT IS A WEEK TODAY PRE OP EVERYTHING OK JUST THIS F--KING VEST WRONG TIME OF YEAR TO HAVE THIS TIGHT VEST ON AND WORKING IN THE SUN .AS I ONLY HAD LIP I AM NOT SURE IF I WILL BE HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS. LEB YOU SAID YOU READED THAT THE GLAND CAN BE SOFT AND BE TAKEN OUT BY LIP.(ANY MORE ON THIS ANYBODY) ANYBODY GOING TO POLAND I WOULD GET A SPECIST OPINION FRIST. I AM NOT SAYING THAT YOU DO NOT GET GOOD ADVICE IN POLAND .BUT IT WILL GIVE YOU  TWO OPINIONS WHICH IS BETTER THAN ONE . PERSONAL I THINK I GOT THE RIGHT ADVICE BECAUES MY CHEST WAS NOT HARD GLAND. WE SEE, FAJAST. I WAS NOT ASKED TO BRING MY ECG OR BLOOD TESTS . (DONT WORRY IT WILL BE OK MANY HAVE GONE AND HAVE CAME BACK WITH A VERY POSITIVE EMPERIENCE YOUR BE ALL-RIGHT )


Alright Gary.
Have a look here http://www.plasticsurgery4u.com/procedure_folder/male_breast.html
Read through it and click on the next arrow to take you to the next section. It will give you info etc.
As for work.... You should take it easy for a while.
If you are doing heavy work then as far as I've been told and read on these forums it will not help in your healing as you are stressing your chest and not letting it heal properly.  
Are you still swollen?
My swelling has gone down a bit but.......
I am begining to get hard lumps under the skin now. It looks like scar tissue is forming :(
 I'll just have to see how the healing goes as it is a bit early to say?
Has anyone else had this?
If so, any advice?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: oakjazz on July 31, 2006, 06:59:37 AM
Hi,

I´ve started a topic with this but had to post it here as well.

This goes out to everyone but particularly my Poland crew. I was scheduled for an operation today but Dr Baranski declined to proceed cause my bp was too high, says he cant risk it. I cant come back till wednesday as that was when I booked my flight, so I´ve effectively wasted a trip.


One of the doctors who serves as an interpreter did tell me to sort out my bp and keep in touch.I have to say the Dr gained my respect and I´ll definitely pick him again when I get my bp down. A lot of doctors would have opted to risk it for the their pay cheque d**ning any adverse consequences.

The lesson here is pls check your bp, had no idea mine was that high.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on July 31, 2006, 07:34:16 AM

http://www.esculap-service.de/english/index.htm

That is the website for the clinic which has been used by people on this thread. It has all the contact details on there for them.

There is a phone number and e mail addy for Andreas on the website but here it is:

Andreas Ciesla
Esculap Service
Tel: +49 (0) 2359/ 903 620,  
Mo – Fr: 9 a.m. until 7 p.m.  


im ringing him now after being rudely told by the nhs to wear a bra ! ::)
Saturdays: 9 a.m. until 2 p.m.
esculap@web.de
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jon333 on July 31, 2006, 10:47:25 AM
hi ya all

date of surgery was 23/july

well swelling started to go down and bruises going, do any poland op know how long do you have to wear the vest?..

how do you put photo on here ??
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Ursochico on August 01, 2006, 06:16:07 AM
Hello Mark and everyone,

As you all can imagine, after almost two decades struggling to find large shirts and plusters( to hold the nipples back) that would not hurt the skin I had finally managed to book my operation.

I had a ticket to Brazil (Florianopolis) booked for  the 24th of July to have my operation done there.


Happy, happy I was... Got to the Heatrow airport and the f*****  Brazilian airline went Busted!!!!

I did not manage to change the tickets to other airlines and therefore had to cancel my operation... I sat down and felt like it was the end of the world...  

Two days later feeling more positive about things ( manage to get a refund for the ticket... well it will take up to three months...  >:( ) I found your experiences online.

After all,  it seems like I will save a lot more money then I thought.
If I had done in Brazil I would have paid 900 pounds for the surgery plus the ticket to Brazil at this time of the year 975 pounds.

Ok, in my case it would make sense because my family lives there so I would be able to spend time with them...  However, I will by another ticket to Brazil when I am recovered from my op.

I will call the clinic today... I will keep you all posted!

By the way, I tend to think in portuguese so sometimes I do write my thoughts in a kind of weird order... lol

Francisco
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Ursochico on August 01, 2006, 09:53:40 AM
HI Mark,

I am a bit confused about how to contact the clinic... Do I call Germany or Changes4you.uk?

Noone seems to mention change4you. Is it more expensive through them?

Francisco
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jon333 on August 02, 2006, 02:04:43 AM
hospital room

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/jon333_2006/100_1064.jpg

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/jon333_2006/4de36c55.jpg

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/jon333_2006/100_1082.jpg


http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/jon333_2006/100_1089.jpg
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jon333 on August 02, 2006, 11:10:41 AM
the view outside surgery

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/jon333_2006/100_1063.jpg

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/jon333_2006/100_1063.jpg

the border of poland to germany

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/jon333_2006/100_1070.jpg

river seperate  poland and germay
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/jon333_2006/100_1071.jpg

just over border in germay
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/jon333_2006/100_1075.jpg

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/jon333_2006/100_1076.jpg

be cafefull not to take photos on border,  i did and was called over by german police and made to delete some photos of border..

it take about 10 mins walk to germany/poland border  from surgery but things much cheaper in poland
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ghostrider on August 02, 2006, 11:13:48 PM
good pictures mate im off there on the 5th sept.......just hope this will encourage the others who have had surgery there to post there before and after pics also...as feel we dont see enough on here plenty telling the story but without pics we cant see only imagine
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jon333 on August 03, 2006, 01:47:26 AM
good luck ghost..

on day you leave uk have a good meal , remeber YOU CANNOT EAT OR DRINK anything day before surgery not even a glass of water

it takes about 50 mins drive from berlin airport  to surgery. your taxi driver will show you hospital then drop you off at B&B

you will need to be at surgery at 9 am.. have your blood check and then they will talk to you about surgery. they will ask your weight in kilogram so convert from stone and pound.

then about 11 30 i was taken to surgey,  the next thing i woke up and was all over

there is a internet cafe(free to use)  on right side of road from surgey and supermarket at the end of road ( they except euros)

take some reading mags and newspaper etc.  there is nothing in english to read when your there.it gets boring

ask for tea in surgey they made me plenty   lol


Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Paul-WC1 on August 03, 2006, 03:51:25 AM
Hi all, this bulletin board has been awesome, just what I needed to help me gain confidence to have an operation. For many years I have been so so concious of these two unwanted moving parts! I think Poland is the place and so any comments/advice before I contact Sublice?. Happy to see you all have such great results :) Paul
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: karl_82 on August 03, 2006, 04:00:03 AM
Quote
good luck ghost..

on day you leave uk have a good meal , remeber YOU CANNOT EAT OR DRINK anything 24 hours before surgery not even a glass of water



I thought is was only 8 hours ! 24 hours without water is gonna kill me lol
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: oakjazz on August 03, 2006, 09:41:09 AM
Thank you asmallmeasureofpeace. I cant even begin to tell U how shattered I was. I was however consoled by bthe fact that perharps something fatal would have occurred. Yes I was really impressed by Dr Baranski and the clinic as a whole. Will definitely choose him again when I get my BP down, I was told to keep in touch.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jon333 on August 03, 2006, 12:03:36 PM
hi karl 82

you cant eat or drink on day of surgery
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ghostrider on August 04, 2006, 03:38:20 AM
hey jon333...

thanks for the insight and advice....i have a couple of questions you or others who have been for the poland opp may be able to answer.......i am looking to have the excision and lipo

1: when i get there if the surgeon says only lipo needed, is it upto me if i can push to have the excision also?.....

2: i would like to be awake for the opp again is this my choice.

3: is the lipo done through the cut under the nipple where they excise the gland from or under the armpit.

4: i want to see the gland and the fat removed from me will they do this as i know some other surgeons do.... want to be awake for surgery and as he cuts and sucks the stuff out see it so i know its really been taken tottally out may sound crazy but think it will give me better peace of mind. ad want to physically see the cr*p that has caused me sooo much heartache.

feedback would be appreciated ;)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on August 04, 2006, 01:07:35 PM
HI ALL ,TWO WEEKS TODAY PRE OP REMOVED DRESSING A FEW DAYS AND FOUND THAT F---KING DOCTOR HAS GIVEN ME  WOMANS INPLANTS 44B CUP NOW GOT TO FIND A F--KING DRESS.  :o :o :o ONLY JOKEING LADS  ;D TOOK THE DRESS OFF CHEST LOOKS A LOT FLATER SHOW MY SON  HE SAID, (WOW YOUR CHEST LOOKS A LOT TIGHTER) I ONLY HADED LIP SO I THINK MAYBE I HAVE A LITTER GLAND LEFTED BUT IT IS STILL 80% BETTER (2 WEEKS PRE OP.) AS FOR BEING AWAKE IN THE OP IF YOU HAVE LIP NO, BECAUES THE DOC IS WORKING ON A LARGE AREA. BUT IF EXCC YES, BECAUES THE DOC IS WORKING IN A SMALL AREA. THATS WHAT THE DOC TOLD ME. SORRY FOR MY POOR ENGLISH
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on August 06, 2006, 07:44:22 AM
Hi Gary, good post!!! If you decide to go for the full op ( penis removal) with your new implants , maybe we can go for a few drinks love....lol

Ursochico : Hi mate and welcome to the site. I think it is best to contact the clinic and they will put you in touch wth Andreas . I would avoud using other companies as they will charge you for being the middle man...lol

Contact Andreas throught this site.

http://www.esculap-service.de/english/plasticsurgery/index.htm

Hi Paul & welcome , i have sent you an email :) .

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on August 06, 2006, 10:51:40 AM
i rang andreas the other day and he confirmed the 24th October for my op.

cant wait now for the time to get here :D


just a quick questuion

does anyone know how much the golden virginia is from poland and how much can i bring back?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Paul-WC1 on August 07, 2006, 01:14:12 AM
thanks for the URL for the Surgery in Poland will call them today. Mark, reading the previous emails I think you deserve commision :) p.s never received your email (paul_allan@hotmail.com)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jon333 on August 07, 2006, 02:02:31 AM
hi all
op date 23 july 06

how are the results going for the guys who have had the op ?? mine is still swollen so at moment .

how long dose it take before the swlling goes ?


ps
fedupofhaving

B&H  ciggies  in poland was 17 euros
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Ursochico on August 07, 2006, 02:23:12 AM
Thank you Mark...

I will contact Andreas amd will keep you guys informed...

Thanks for the replying again...  I do appreciate it
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: karl_82 on August 07, 2006, 06:48:29 AM
Hey guys!

Just let you know i'm getting my op done on the 27th of oct.

hope all goes well for everyone getting it done :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on August 07, 2006, 12:28:26 PM
cant you change yours to the 24th october? then we can have a few beers and a tour :D


and what airport are you going from?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: karl_82 on August 07, 2006, 01:22:13 PM
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cant you change yours to the 24th october? then we can have a few beers and a tour :D


and what airport are you going from?


i wish i could, think i'll need more than a beer lol

let me know how you go on
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jon333 on August 08, 2006, 01:37:35 AM

This is the email andreas sent me.................


For your OP you will pay in the clinic in Slubice, in a cash, in Euros.

Pls change your Pounds in Euros in UK.



Your OP costs:

Gynecomastia with Liposuction: 1200 EUR

special chest after surgery  80 EUR

anaesthesia and one day in the clinic with full board 260 EUR

one extra day in the clinic with full board 65 EUR



Total: 1605 EUR



Sing le room in hotel costs about 30-35 EUR.

Pls let us know all your flight dates .



Regards

Andreas

www.esculap-service.de
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on August 09, 2006, 07:12:23 AM
Quote
hi all
op date 23 july 06

how are the results going for the guys who have had the op ?? mine is still swollen so at moment .

how long dose it take before the swlling goes ?





Hi all,
Sorry that I haven't been on lately. I've had the flu.
Jon, I had op on 18/7/06 and I am still slightly swollen. I did have hard lumps forming which is scar tissue but that is now begining to get smaller. I took geg100's advice and started to take multi vitamins and some anti inflams. Also garygary told me to take brewers yeast tablets to help the skin contract.
I am still tender to touch. I suppose that is because they took a lot of gland out on both sides.
On the whole I am quite happy with the results. :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on August 10, 2006, 04:17:53 PM
anyone here tried draining the excess fluid build up with a syringe?
:o :o :o

really dont want hard scar tissue if i can help it.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jon333 on August 11, 2006, 03:41:07 AM
22/07/2006
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/jon333_2006/4de36c55.jpg

11/08/2006
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n182/jon333_2006/100_1195.jpg

still swollen looks better ? maybe coz of camera lol

have a look at (tubifast elasticated bandage)  as a temporay vest while you clean the other?  , i paid £3 for this at local chemist . just cut to size

http://www.skincareworld.co.uk/healthcentre/our_products/tubifast/bandages_applicationguide.htm
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jon333 on August 11, 2006, 08:16:37 AM
look at this questions and answers

may help some of you going to poland

http://www.phudson.com/GYN/gynfaq.html
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jon333 on August 18, 2006, 07:23:26 AM
hi all

just wanted to know?  those who had the operation ? how are the results now ???/
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on August 24, 2006, 08:41:20 AM
Hi Jon33,

Just seen your pics , looks great mate...you must be well chuffed :) .

How is everybody ? Sorry i haven't been on much lately . I have been really busy with work . I sometimes with i could run back to the sanctuary of uni ..and booze n women...Jack-pot!!!!

Update on my progress : Scars around the bottom of the nipple are healing nicely and almost soft :) . There is a bit of fat on the left side but i am not concerened about this, as it is a vast improvement . All pain ( slight ache) has almost gone...:) ....And i am 95 % happy with the results....apart frrom the little bit of flat...which i intend to remove by Training :P .

I will post some new pics soon....I will be sporting a brand new Elephant thong from Anne-Summers....lol

Cyer

Mark

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ghostrider on September 02, 2006, 04:58:40 AM
i fly out this monday for my surgery in poland.....just looking to put together a short checklist of things to remember...can anyone help please?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on September 03, 2006, 12:39:55 AM
Hello Ghostrider,

If you don't feel up to exploring whilst you are there, i would definately take an ipod/walkman and some reading material. Don't need sweets etc as the town centre is near by.....Mobile phone;if it doesn't have roaming you can buy phone cards from the shop....very cheap and seems to last forever.  I recommend going over the border to Germany ...there is some good shops and also a Mac Donalds :) . ..
All you need mate is your pass port, money for the taxi, hotel and op...thats it.....

Good luck with the next chapter of your life :) .....

I can give you my number if you need any advice whilst you are over there....
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ghostrider on September 03, 2006, 08:31:48 AM
thanks guys......i would appreciate taking your number mark if thats ok....can you pm it to me...would be nice just in case i need to ask any advice etc .....cheers lads much appreciated.....will keep you all posted when i am back 8)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ghostrider on September 04, 2006, 01:35:50 AM
anyone online right now who has had surgery? i am due to fly out in the next few hours and have a few questions to ask...please reply asap if anyone is out there at the mo ....cheers  8)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on September 04, 2006, 01:38:26 AM
Go on then ask away.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ghostrider on September 04, 2006, 02:14:01 AM
thanks lebowski.......... i wanted to know do i need to know things like do i have to know my own height and weight in any particular metric.......will they fit me with drains or do i have to ask.........is it up to me if i have exc + lipo or o they choose for you......can i smoke or drink at the airport today or is it best not to have anything with the surgery being tomorrow morning. oh and also about the anesthetic can i be awake for the surgery if not how do they put you to sleep is it by an injection
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: LEBOWSKI on September 04, 2006, 02:29:37 AM
Yes, you need to know your weight in kilograms and height in metres  and centimetres.
They will fit you with drains only if you need them. I had drains fitted as they took a lot of tissue out.
they will examine you and tell you the best treatment. If I was you, I would ask for lippo and excission and see what they say. It depends on how bad your case is.
I was told not to eat or drink anything 12 hours prior to surgery.

I got your pm, sorry I can't phone you as I'm getting ready to go to work. I'll text you tomorrow aft to see how you got on.
 All the best.
Don't worry as you will be ok.  :)

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: fajast on September 06, 2006, 03:38:23 AM
Guyzzzz... It's my turn now. Getting ready to leave for Poland, surgery is tomorrow and I am now really excited and nervous too. Hope everything goes fine...
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ghostrider on September 08, 2006, 02:46:56 AM
hey guys im back....thanks for the words of encouragement before i left and i appreciated the text message lebowski......just had a look at branskis site as considering going back for a bit ov lipo for the old stomache and noticed hes creeping the prices up a little....keep an eye out you guys considering as i think he knows hes onto something and wouldnt be suprised if they go up again soon......as for my results well i havent really had a chance to see them yet..got the vest on and underneath a big sheet of sticky bandage over each nipple which they say i cant take off for 10 days...was that same for you guys..this stuff is super sticky im scared it will rip my nipples clean of when the 10 days are up...i really wanna look now because if my nips are puffy underneath i wanna get them drained now before the set with seroma or diy it with the old blue pin needle trick....my chest feels rock hard to the touch at the sides under my arm pits in particular...i have done some video clips on my phone of the clinic room slubice square and my hotel kaliski...i need to find how i can get them on here to post....i took a little personal dvd player which was spot on for getting me through to find i had forgott to bring a travel plug and they didnt have one.....believe it or not they are hard to find over there but i kept on at the translator and he went out and got me one...i have left it there and asked them to pass it on if any others are in need when they stay...speak again soon im cream crackered ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on September 08, 2006, 12:48:58 PM
HI ALL WELL ITS 7 WEEKS PRE OP NOT HAPPY WITH THE OUT COME I THINK I SHOULD HAVE HAD BOTH LIP AND EXSS I ONLY HAD LIP .I STILL HAVE THAT ALMOND LOOK breast NO PROMBLE WITH THE DOC JUST, I THINK I WOULD HAVE BE HAPPY WITH BOTH EXSS AND LIP MAYBE I GO BACK NEXT YEAR
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: fajast on September 09, 2006, 09:18:03 AM
ASMOP thanks for your reply mate. Yesss I am back and alive  ;D I was really scared of anaesthesia but thanks God it was not a problem at all, slept, woke up and it was done... Now I had 450 ml fat removed from each side and the glands of the size of a kiwi fruit. I am unable to really see the results, it is too early too, but I have this fluid undeneath the entire chest area.

I have one question, The nurse gave me anti-thrombosis injection twice in 2 days after surgery, Now I am home and I feel that a part of my right thigh is somewhat less sensitive, when I keep my hand on it I don't feel anything until I apply pressure. So the question is, can this be a symptom of thrombosis ? how many hours / days after the surgery is a person at the risk of thrombosis ?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: orrible on September 09, 2006, 09:25:33 AM
Ghostrider congrats on finally getting the surgery mate, i hope it all works out for you. You could put your videos on youtube.com and then post the links. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ghostrider on September 10, 2006, 08:24:33 AM
hi guys thought i would get the pre op pics on for you to take a look at for now and will have my post ops on soon...also just wanted to test it works as havent posted pics before.... :P

http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/myrecoverypic/album?.dir=/6fedscd
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Gyne22 on September 11, 2006, 11:31:45 AM
Hi Guys,

Ive been browsing the forum for a week or so, and now im plucked up the courage to join.

Im seriously considering surgery in Poland, however like most people, Im thinking of doing it fairly discretly, without telling anyone, to avoid the hoo ha of the operation

Just one thing which has not been covered on this forum is the cost of the taxi from Berlin to Sublice? what sort of price am I looking at to pay?
 what do you guys do, go to a taxi driver on the street and say u wanna go to sublice (Poland) or do you go to a named taxi office?

Also i know its a long shot but has anyone tried the public transport route to Poland?

Any replies would be welcome.. :)

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ghostrider on September 12, 2006, 01:33:27 AM
hi gyne22...

the cost is 60euros each way ..total 120....when you email andreas to book your surgery he will arange this for you so when you get off the plane and get your bags the driver will be waiting for you withyour name wrote on a card and take you direct to the surgery....
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jon333 on September 12, 2006, 08:17:51 AM
hi all

just let you know i had my op in july 23rd in poland. all pain now gone but i have put alot of weight on,  now have little bit of gyne back not soo much as before the op lol , so hope it will go when i get weight back down

if you want to know anything ? just ask  and i will reply .
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ghostrider on September 12, 2006, 08:59:26 AM
hey jon333.....

dont worry mate im sure you will work it back off......did branski give you some tablets to take called cafeleksyna some kind of anti bioticws or somet to be take one every 12hrs....iwanted to know if ican take ibuprofen with these aswell as i hear they are good anti inflamaterys?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: scott076q on September 12, 2006, 10:38:24 PM


Hello I'm planning on going to Poland for opertaion hopefully this year.

My question is...............

I have sticky out ears that are quite large which have always bothered me since I was a child, my parents did not think I should have them done when I was young (when it would ahve been free on nhs).

If I go to Poland would I be able to get the gyne op and my ears sorted out?

Just Im thinking it will be much cheaper, save two trips and I wont have to worry about having 2 recovery periods.

Any advice or info appreciated, I would contact the dr but I'm not in a position to pay for anything or arrange anything as of yet.

Great thread by the way! It has inspired me (a person who does not have £4k and gave me hope).

Good luck to everyone going/healing at the minute (i'm jealous). ::)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: fajast on September 13, 2006, 12:38:24 AM
Hi, Yes there is a procedure for ears listed on the website

http://www.esculap-service.de/english/plasticsurgery/plastic%20surgery%20procedures.htm  

visit their page to see the procedures and to know if they will perform 2 procedures at a time, try to contact Andreas Ciesla at his email address esculap@web.de as he is the person who arranges all these surgery dates etc for the patients from outside Poland.

Cheers !
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: scott076q on September 13, 2006, 10:33:06 PM

I found andreas email the same day as my original post, I e-mailed him that day asking.

I havent got a reply so far, thanks for the help.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on September 14, 2006, 02:20:34 PM
hi scott
please dont sit around waiting for an email from andreas.
Ring him up and talk to the guy :)
he booked me in on my 1st call that lasted me about 2 mins
im booked in for 24 October and im travelling alone due to being let down by my family.
I feel pretty gutted and i feel a bit depressed and scared all rolled into one.
I feel this is something ive got to do fopr myself and feel that i shouldnt expect my family to trapes along to Poland with me.
Deep down inside though i feel empty.
But also i feel excited and happy and soon i will be rid of this stupid condition and this stupid username.
Fedup!  :-/



http://www.esculap-service.de/english/index.htm  
 
That is the website for the clinic which has been used by people on this thread. It has all the contact details on there for them.  
 
There is a phone number and e mail addy for Andreas on the website but here it is:  
 
Andreas Ciesla  
Esculap Service  
Tel: +49 (0) 2359/ 903 620,  
Mo – Fr: 9 a.m. until 7 p.m.  
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on September 17, 2006, 03:49:50 AM
Hello Guys,

I must one again apologise for my lack of correspondence. I hope you are all healing well, and those of you who are still waiting it goes quickly &#61514; .

As you know I am quite busy with work at the moment so i don’t get on line that often, but I want you all to know if you want any advice or have any queries you can email me (just ask for it).

Gyne22 : You wrote that you have read through this thread and seen nothing regarding the taxi arrangements. I think you need to go back and look again…lol. You have missed the funniest part of the Thread. The Polish taxi driver is a one off…..the guy is unreal and sings wham and the hoff all the way back to Poland. The car is a shed and your heart is in your mouth for the whole journey…..but definitely worth it just for the experience….lol .

I see that a few of you have noticed his prices are creeping up…..well , you know what to do , you gave him the custom ….you can sharp take it away. I researched many clinics and as you know this one wasn’t my first choice….( still a very good clinic though) …the one I originally wanted was in Wroclaw and there was no flights….but now you can go direct from East Midlands….all it needs is one brave guinea pig….lol . Remember , the reason we are going abroad is to save money , so don’t put up with it if it goes to high…..a small increase is ok…..but if you think it becomes unreasonable…just walk….lol


Ok Guys, need to dash ….:P
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on September 17, 2006, 03:51:37 AM
asmallmeasureofpeace : how's it going mate?



Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on September 17, 2006, 10:41:07 AM
Hi guys, i'm still here. Check in nearly every day but just being silent.

Update, but your all not going to like it. 4months i have no pain or problems but the results are pants. I only had excission as per surgeon recommendation as he said i had large glands(which i did). But i'm no smaller than i was, well maybe a small amount but not that i can tell.

I can still feel a hard lump under the nipple but they aren't as big as before but the mass of my chest hasn't reduced and i am so annoyed i didn't have lipo but when he talked about saggy skin and maybe the need to remove it, it got me worried and i settled for his suggestion.

I don't know yet what to do, if i should contact them and go back for a revision or cut my losses now and try elsewhere, i do feel like i wasted my time as i am still the same as when i started except for scars around my nipples ::)

Ian
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: jon333 on September 20, 2006, 09:27:53 PM
hi all

hello ian, i had my op im july i have notice my gyne is NOT reduced as i wanted ,  

still have a bit of fat  on both sides  but i have put weight on ? but im a little unhappy about results could do with bit more lipo ......
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on September 20, 2006, 11:01:52 PM
Hi Jon, I have lost over a stone since the surgery and i wasn't really overweight then. If i could even say i'm not a little happy after the surgery then atleast i would know the next step would be another improvement but i am no different to i was before and i just don't get how he can take out a large gland, as he says, and my size not reduce  ???

End of next month is 6months i will email them with my concerns and then make my decision to if i go back or not.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Gyne22 on September 21, 2006, 08:54:46 AM
Hi Guys

First of all thanks to those of you who replied to my intial post and thanks for the lil humour

It seems that the recent batch of Gyne suffers trip to Poland seems to have gone not as expected, ( sorry to sound so blunt)

Is this in any reflection to the quality of surgery in Poland

I would prefer Poland hands down cost wise, but im not so keen to keep rushing over for revisions, Im keen on getting it done first time with no hassle ever again

Whats everyones take on this?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on September 21, 2006, 11:50:40 AM
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Hello Guys,

I researched many clinics and as you know this one wasn’t my first choice….( still a very good clinic though) …the one I originally wanted was in Wroclaw and there was no flights….but now you can go direct from East Midlands….all it needs is one brave guinea pig



which was the clinic of your choice mate?
i might reconsider going to sublice after seeing some of your replies here :(
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on September 21, 2006, 09:09:33 PM
ah i see you mean these
http://www.knakiewicz.wroc.pl/

doesnt seem to show gyne ops on their website tho?
or am i being blind?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on September 22, 2006, 10:50:21 AM
anyone here happy about the poland results??? ::)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on September 22, 2006, 05:01:32 PM
anyone?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: fajast on September 23, 2006, 07:10:49 AM
Hi, what I had was a sort of severe case, had huge t1ts fat and large glands too, It is beleived that you must give yourself atleast 2 months to actually compare your results or rank your procedure as a success or failure. I am observing positive changes continuously since my surgery.

So considering all these things and my results till now, I am positive and very satisfied (just 16 days post op)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ghostrider on September 23, 2006, 07:47:51 AM
my results so far 18 days post op......feel free to comment and also let me kow you can see them ok.....cheers my fellow moobs haha ;D


http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/myrecoverypic/album?.dir=1aecre2&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on September 25, 2006, 01:35:36 PM
both your results look very very good.
and im glad you 2 are happy as im starting to get 2nd thoughts :(
just was wondering if it is all worth it ???  ???
now ive seen those results its gotta be better than having these breasts for another day :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: fajast on September 26, 2006, 11:03:41 AM
Thanks and as I said that swelling etc should be gone by 8 weeks in any lipo procedure I must again say that I am really very satisfied with the results yet.

I wish you all the best and freedom from Gyne. Now this is what I would suggest you to do, consider your situation, get some feedback and views and go for it, you will only get more and more confused by asking for many conclusions. Based on my condition, I will easily suggest you to go for it, hopefully you will get the results you seek. Best of luck !!!
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on September 27, 2006, 12:45:32 PM
yea im deffo going for it now.
ive decided that if i dont now i never will.
I have the money sat here waiting and thats a small price to pay for self confidence :)
thanks again mate for your words of advice
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on September 28, 2006, 04:08:23 AM
Fajast definitely some improvement there; Ghostrider very good results, looking flat.

As far as i'm concerned now, some 6months on (op was end Mar'06), the 1300 pounds (all inclusive travel and surgery) that I spent was the best money I spent for my peace of mind.

It really has transformed from what I wear to how I carry myself and the confidence. I'll post some pix this weekend to show 6 months on



previous pre and post (1month) pix can be seen here
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/a7ce/album/576460762312771396#page1
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ghostrider on September 28, 2006, 06:22:24 AM
thanks Ace....much apreciated .....although the pictures dont show it my nipples are still slightly puffy i am booked in withmy local gp on friday to see if he can drain seroma fluid which i think may be causing them to protrude a little...although it is very slight its doing my head in and wont be totaly happy untill gone.....but all in all i agree with you that for the money we have paid its a deal of the century hehe......

just took a look at your pictures and wow very good results...i bet you are over the moon.....i will keep my eye out for your new pictures that you are adding.....
has your chest changed shape much from 1 month post op to 6 mnts post op?    did you have any trouble with puffy nips post op and if yes did they get considerably better as time went on?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on September 28, 2006, 10:11:29 AM
GRider,
I don't really recall suffering from puffy nipples post op;

hey I was happy with the knowledge, that even if it was a botched job, that would then have meant that the surgeon had at least attempted something - which by difinition meant >smaller ie the last thing he was gonna do was make em bigger or inject them with fat !!!

Cos when u have gyne, u think, even a few ml from each side would be better than nothing !

I don't wanna be a six pack cut brad pitt type body, so for the shape I am , I am well happy with my chest.

Remember it's ur money at the end of the day, you wouln't got to a shop to buy a TV and end up with a radio. From having no knowledge about my condition, to discussion on here, I wanted fat and gland removal. that's it. full stop. my money.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ghostrider on September 29, 2006, 01:53:14 AM
yea like you say ace your money!.....im not aiming to be cut like brad pitt either just wanna be able to wear more fitted clothing again like i could before this condition....but everyone on here has there own idividual case of what they are looking to achieve simple as that really....i was just intersted in how you look now to how you looked a month after surgery as you are further down the track than some of us who have just had surgery and would be usefull for me and others to learn if the results get better a lot or slght over time
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on September 29, 2006, 01:20:06 PM
oh thank you soooooo much my mind is truly at rest now :)
im going alone with the money.
what is the best way to keep my moiney safe?
as id hate to get robbed whilst under anesthetic or get robbed at anytime really :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on September 30, 2006, 01:28:37 AM
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oh thank you soooooo much my mind is truly at rest now :)
im going alone with the money.
what is the best way to keep my moiney safe?
as id hate to get robbed whilst under anesthetic or get robbed at anytime really :)



I don't know about out and about on the street on Poland, but I personally felt safe and a had a couple of hundred euros and my passport on me but that's upto you how you secure yourself; but at the clinic you should have no worrries about theft, it is a professional outfit

I had camera, mp3 player, phone and laptop lying around. The only loss i would ever be concerned with would have been my passport !.

Best thing you can do for greater assurance, is to get a padlock with a number combination ( not a flimsy one with 3 no.s but a sturdy one with 4 numbers, these will be approx a fiver or less) and stick that on your bag, when u go under. As there is no key, no one can get in. Also if you do venture out and about, lock your room, there should be a key in the door, if not ask for it.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on September 30, 2006, 11:49:57 AM
HI ALL, DONT WORRY ABOUT YOUR MONEY  BEFORE YOU GO UNDER YOU PAY DOC FOR OP. IF YOU HAVE EXTRA MONEY HE WILL PUT IT IN A SAFE OVER NIGHT FOR YOU.AS I TOOK MONEY FOR LIP AND EX BUT ONLY HAD LIP ON HIS ADVICE (NOT GOOD MOVE ) SO I HAD MONEY OVER WHICH DOC PUT IN SAFE FOR ME NO PROMBLE,GOING TO THAILAND 28 NOVE FOR 3 MONTHS MAYBE HAVE EX OUT THERE. BY THE WAY POLAND FRIST CLASS TREATMENT JUST WISHED I HAD EX, ???STILL CANT WIN THEM ALL
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on September 30, 2006, 01:55:36 PM

EXCELLENT  :o

im still dead scared of going alone and im really looking forward to ahving the surgery but just scared of being alone.
I know it sounds daft but im a people person and feel the need for company  :-[
My wife doesnt want to go as i dont think shes really bothered about my welfare.(to say shes a tad selfish would be an understatement) but sod it i gotta go so i will.
So ill just feel lonely  :-/
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on October 01, 2006, 03:32:56 AM
HI FEDUPWITHHAVEINGTITS YOUR BE OK MATE, THE FRIST NIGTH IN THE HOTEL IS A LITTER HARD BUT AFTER THAT ITS FINE.THE PEOPLE ARE GREAT YOUR BE OK.REMENBER YOUR COMEING BACK NOT LEGLESS BUT TITLESS. REMENBER TO TAKE SOME THING TO READ AND MAYBE FOOD IE FRIUT WHICH YOU CAN  BUY THE MORNING OF THE OP OUTSIDE  THE HOTEL THERES A LITTER FRIUT SHOP BUT DONT, DONT , EAT BEFORE THE OP. MAKE SURE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU NEED( LIP OR EX)OR BOTH WELL GOOD LUCK NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT MATE.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on October 01, 2006, 09:35:43 AM
cheers Gary  8)
ill be arriving in late at night as my flight gets in at 10.40pm so by the time i get to the hotel itll be midnight.
im really getting bumble bees in my stomach and getting very very excited that im getting rid of these MOOBS.
It seems that this year it is really gonna happen :D
roll on 3 weeks time :D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on October 08, 2006, 03:15:13 AM
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Fajast definitely some improvement there; Ghostrider very good results, looking flat.

As far as i'm concerned now, some 6months on (op was end Mar'06), the 1300 pounds (all inclusive travel and surgery) that I spent was the best money I spent for my peace of mind.

It really has transformed from what I wear to how I carry myself and the confidence. I'll post some pix this weekend to show 6 months on



Ok gang,

Original pre gyne and 1 month on (4 weeks) pix here:
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/a7ce/album/576460762312771396#page1

six month pictures now posted here :
http://new.photos.yahoo.com/a7ce/album/576460762320014976#page1


I can't believe I am rid of those puffy nipples. This time last year, I had no idea that the technical name was gyne', that I could do something about it, or afford it. Having stumbled on this site from a mention on a Hair loss site, has transformed my out look and ME!!

Broken down cost over the year £1300/52 is £25 per week. Saving money by having 1 less coffee per week, one less drink and hiring one less DVD knocks off a fiver each time and takes it down to £10 a week that you are forking out !

Anyway I don't really need to convince anyone, i'm chuffed and over the moon

thx
ace
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on October 10, 2006, 03:04:29 PM
no u must pay cash in euros



ACE your photos look ACE

cant wait until im at 6 mointh stage :D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: samgyne28 on October 10, 2006, 11:30:36 PM
Hi all you guys.  First of I want to thank you for writing so much information and sharing your experiences from begining till end in regards to surgery in Poland.

I had to read through 36 pages to get update.  But it was all worth it.  Very informative.  Based on what I read, I am also considering surgery there.  I have already written to Andreas and hope for a reply shortly.

I wanted to ask you some questions (for those of you duded who have gotten the surgery already).  And I'm sorry if I missed readung about this because there was a lot of text.  But they are genreal questions about the trip.

1) If your flight reaches in the afternoon, should you check in to the hotel and have surgery the next day? Or is it possible (and better) to have the surgery on the same day in the afternoon.

2) The hotel sounds quite cheap (in terms of rate/price).  Is it a bad hotel.  How is the bathroom, is the shower powerful? I ask this because after the surgery I'm assuming I'll want a nice long shower to get clean. Does it have a tv and dvd player?

3) Several of you guys said to cross the bridge to go to Frankfurt.  Is it easy to go back and forth or do i need a passport and go through check points every time?

4) After the surgery, how long do you sleep for?  Does the doctor put you out

5) How is the bathroom in the clinic?  DOes it have a shower there?

Guys if I think of any other questions, will ask.  In the mean time, would really be grateful if you could answer the above.

Also, could you guys put comments about your experience.  By this I mean, if you had to do it all over again, what would you change? These could be small things but possibly make the experience a little better or more convenient for the rest of us potential patients.

Thank you very much.  Looking forward to your in put and feed back.

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on October 11, 2006, 12:06:16 AM
Samgyne,  to answer some of ur points :

1) I believe they scedule about 3 /4 Ops a day, with a 2 /3 hour slot (to include clean up).

Hence if you come in the aftenoon may miss or not align yourself with scheduled slot. also i've always found budget airways to always arrive late. So best get there, relax and prepare for the morning

2) "The hotel sounds quite cheap (in terms of rate/price).  Is it a bad hotel.  How is the bathroom, is the shower powerful? I ask this because after the surgery I'm assuming I'll want a nice long shower to get clean. Does it have a tv and dvd player?"

??? After the surgery, you will be staying at the Clinic, not the hotel.

The hotel I stayed in, in Town (Klassiki 0 Green front) was a clean spacious one similar to a 70-90 pound UK hotel, with tv and good shower). I think, u've go a negative view from the media etc and ur thinking Eastern Europe and peasants clutching potatoes. But Hey, even If I had to stay in a shed, sleep on a dead scabby horse and drink ditch water, i'd do it, it's only for two days - then you'd be home !

3) U have to go through a check point and show your passport - will take them 30 seconds to look at your passport pic and then your face. Nothing complicated in that.

4) u sleep until ur anaesthetic wears off - and can then sleep all day every day. I welcomed that opportunity, having run around 24/7 here.

5) You will be surprised at te clinic, very modern, very clean and again Bloody HEll , yes they do have Showers in Poland.

from ur 2nd mail

1) You have to pay cash and in Euros - You will not require any Polish Currency at all during your trip - as local shops will also take euros in Poland.

2) U may have some numbness or some stinging around the nipples but it depens on the individual, but yes post op after a few hours rest, u can be up and about, walking around.

You may have swollen or redness.
No one at the airport is going to ask you to take your t-shirt off unless it's made of metal or chainmail.

3) till you find a partner


Also look at this thread :
http://www.gynecomastia.org/cgi-bin/gyne_yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=8;action=display;num=1144081660
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: samgyne28 on October 11, 2006, 12:08:47 AM
Hey guys some more questions-

1) Can you pay with a credit card or must it be cash?

2) Realistically speaking, On the second day (day after surgery) are you able to walk around or are in pain?  Like go sight seeing and stuff? Afer 2 days, does the dr take of bandages and put on vest? Is your chest all swollen and messy? I mean if I have to take of my t shirt (like at the airport checking) or something wil it look gross?

3) How long do you have to wait till you can start having sex again?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on October 11, 2006, 12:30:46 AM
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no u must pay cash in euros



ACE your photos look ACE

cant wait until im at 6 mointh stage :D



Cheers FedUp, I hope u get what ur looking for too
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: samgyne28 on October 11, 2006, 11:59:07 AM
Hey Ace - Seriously thank you very much for your reply post.  Thanks man.

I read the thread you gave link for.  It answered many of my questions.

Regarding the hotel - noted which one you stayed at.  But my budget is a little less.  So I was thinking about the cheaper one.  I think some people mentioned they stayed there for 28 Euros a night. Is that walking distance to the clinic?

If someone who reads it has stayed there - how is the hotel.  Is there a safe to keep your money (i don't want to fly all the way to poland and have my money stolen the night before surgery lol)

Does anyone know what 5ft 8inches = how many meter/centimeters?

On the last point Ace - I have current partner who wontt be with me there.  But I'd see her 3 days after op.  I'm worried about stitches and bruising etc.. So do you think it would be possible to have sex 3 days after surgery? I would imagine that too early.

Thank you all. Everyone pls feel free to give input / comments.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on October 11, 2006, 12:09:41 PM
Samegyne,
Ur not reading properly

I said

'The hotel I stayed in, in Town (Klassiki 0 Green front) was a clean spacious one similar to a 70-90 pound UK hotel, with tv and good shower'


This is the Polish Hotel that cost 28 -30 Euros ..... and i am comparing that a similar one in the UK would be approx 70 pounds.

See how things make sense when you read them properly.



AS for the sex thing - ask the Dr if in doubt.
But the stitches an bruising will be in ur chest, not in ur groin, there's 1000 variations that don't imvolve ur chest muscles/area.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: samgyne28 on October 11, 2006, 12:15:22 PM
Guys, I'm sorry but I forgot to ask the MOST important question for me : Is it better to get general or local anesthesia.  I read in here somewhere that one of you ( I think Mark) used local.
Can some one please tell me which is safer and whats the difference (in terms of price).

Would be great to also hear from someone whi used local.

Thanks.  Much appreciated.

Oh and one more question.  Since Andreas hasn't replied, how long does it take to get the surgery date.  A couple weeks or months?  I ask this because I am in the progress of saving money and also need to take time off from work.  So mus tplan accordingly.

Thank you again all.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on October 11, 2006, 01:40:07 PM
hi matey
please dont sit around waiting for an email from andreas.
Ring him up and talk to the guy  
he booked me in on my 1st call that lasted me about 2 mins
Im now travelling with my wife and son and feel great about going :D
cant wait now


http://www.esculap-service.de/english/index.htm  
 
That is the website for the clinic which has been used by people on this thread. It has all the contact details on there for them.  
 
There is a phone number and e mail addy for Andreas on the website but here it is:  
 
Andreas Ciesla  
Esculap Service  
Tel: +49 (0) 2359/ 903 620,    
Mo – Fr: 9 a.m. until 7 p.m.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: samgyne28 on October 12, 2006, 09:55:54 AM
Hey Fedup - Tks for yr post.  i was planning on calling tomorrow.  But I just checked my email and received mail with attachments from Andreas. But he quoted me a high rate of almost 1500 euros.
One of the attahcments didnt open, so Ive requested him to resend in a different format.  Also, he mentioned something about a CD.  Is it helpful? Then I'll ask him to send it to me.

For anyone who booked the surgerey recently, how soon did you get it?  And how much did you pay? I ask this cause i think they have increased the prices.

Hey Ace - Thans agian for yr post.  Appreciate you clarifying.  Sorry I misread.

Lastly, anyone out there have info about local vs general Anesthisia in regards to this surgery in poland.

THanks all..
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on October 13, 2006, 11:45:03 AM
yes the prices have recently gone up
but when i booked the prices were lower and andreas has said ill pay the old price :)
but even the new price is stiull a bargain :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on October 13, 2006, 11:46:24 AM
11 more sleeps till i have my moobs off :D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: samgyne28 on October 14, 2006, 03:34:03 AM
Good luck Fed up - Hope it all goes really well for you.  
btw-how long a go did you make the surgery booking?
and did you discuss type of anesthesia with the Dr?
Do you have any "before" photos?
Thanks..
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on October 14, 2006, 10:46:52 AM
Good luck to all those having surgery, all of you who are recovering and those who are tentative at the moment.....

God bless Poland!!!
I am so happy to see how many people have had there lives changed!!! Its great!!!

Hows it going ACE & IAN & GIVEMEREPSPITE
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on October 14, 2006, 01:27:58 PM
i havnt any before photos YET but will be taking some this week :)

i booked months ago as i didnt want to be recovering in the hot weather :)



thanks mark and i hope mines changed like yours too :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: samgyne28 on October 14, 2006, 01:46:59 PM
Thanks FedUp.

Hey Mark, how are you?  Did you get local or general anesthesia in Poland?

Also, when you guys go to the beach or swimming, can anybody see the scars on your nipples?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on October 14, 2006, 03:02:30 PM
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Also, when you guys go to the beach or swimming, can anybody see the scars on your nipples?


Nobody can see my scars if they were inch away from my nipples, looking for scars, cos I told them I had surgery. Mine have really healed / blended well.


I myself had a general anesthetic and was out like a liight within 30 seconds. and woke up about four hours later, none the wiser about the OP.

I believe Local An is cheaper by 100 euros than a General An. If you are having a bit of lipo only then local is fine. If you are having lipo and gland excission, then because of the more 'complicated' procedure you WILL have to have General.

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on October 14, 2006, 03:07:18 PM
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I am so happy to see how many people have had there lives changed!!! Its great!!!

Hows it going ACE & IAN & GIVEMEREPSPITE


It's going well, O' Guru !
Hows things with yer goodself? U still at Uni or u working now? Hows the chest, u happy 2nd time around.
U probably seen my b4 and after pics, i'm happy with my lot.

All the Poland Club gotta get together for a Barbie next year - no tops, of course.
Catch u later
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on October 15, 2006, 07:19:17 AM
9 more sleeps


whooo hooo  :D :D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: samgyne28 on October 15, 2006, 03:57:04 PM
Hey Ace - Thanks again for info on anesthesia.  I'm so worried about it cause I've hear some people never come out of it! On the other hand, I've heard local anth. has very quick recovery.

Fed up - How can you sleep dude..9 more days!!  Thats really awsome for you man.  Can't wait for the day you paste your Post-Op on here..
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on October 16, 2006, 09:24:59 AM
im honestly managing to sleep alright
it doesnt feel like its going to really happen.
but i kinow in my mind its not going to be long until im moobless :D
i know its going to only take one months wages that will chanmge the rest of my life forever :)
I have to thank everyone here who have posted their own expieriences that have given me the courage tgo take the plunge :)
 8 sleeps and its op day

7 sleeps and its time to fly :D
this time next week ill be sat on a plane and on my journey :D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: karl_82 on October 19, 2006, 02:05:47 AM
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im honestly managing to sleep alright
it doesnt feel like its going to really happen.
but i kinow in my mind its not going to be long until im moobless :D
i know its going to only take one months wages that will chanmge the rest of my life forever :)
I have to thank everyone here who have posted their own expieriences that have given me the courage tgo take the plunge :)
 8 sleeps and its op day

7 sleeps and its time to fly :D
this time next week ill be sat on a plane and on my journey :D


I'm in two days after you lol

BTW I understand i need to convert my height into meters and cm's? i'm about 5' -10" anyone know a good way of going this?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: samgyne28 on October 19, 2006, 10:56:12 AM
Hey Karl,
great buddy..good luck on yr surgery too.
how much are you paying for surgery (exculding travel).
which hotel have you booked?
did you send Dr. pics before.  Or will he see you there before the surgery.
Thanks..
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: nonini on October 19, 2006, 12:16:05 PM
Quote


I'm in two days after you lol

BTW I understand i need to convert my height into meters and cm's? i'm about 5' -10" anyone know a good way of going this?


178cm
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on October 19, 2006, 09:32:22 PM
yes i know karl :)
ill see if i can leave something behind for you :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on October 22, 2006, 12:10:36 PM
1 more sleep  until i fly :D

2 more sleeps until the op  :-X

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on October 23, 2006, 03:30:31 AM
just setting off now  c u all soon  :-/
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on October 23, 2006, 07:31:54 AM
Good look mate, and indeed to all those travelling soon
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on October 26, 2006, 02:53:35 PM
im back great expierience and no moobs :D

more to come tomorrow :D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on October 27, 2006, 01:15:33 AM
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im back great expierience and no moobs :D

more to come tomorrow :D



So you have come back alive then ?

and there was u , worried up not waking up from anesth, getting robbed, god knows what other scare stories !

Look forward to your write up,

well done mate
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Hate_It_37 on October 27, 2006, 09:13:31 AM
Well done mate. Can't wait to hear your full story.

Not sure the new screen name really rolls off the tongue, but it's the state we all want to be in.

I hope your recovery is a swift one.

J
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on October 27, 2006, 09:30:55 AM
http://www.gynecomastia.org/cgi-bin/gyne_yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=8;action=display;num=1161973697


posted it all there so it doesnt get lost in this thread .
can all those whove been there please read through and see if its an accurate write up please and comment on anything theyd like to add to it :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: samgyne28 on October 31, 2006, 10:54:39 AM
Hey Welcome back man!  Hope youre doing great champ!  I'm gonna read your thread now.

Ace- whats up buddy.  It was me who was worried about not waking up and getting robbed.  lol, not him.

by the way, I'm still worried. ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on October 31, 2006, 05:08:52 PM
dont worry
you will have spent your money before you even go under anesthetic.
if you have a laptop take that with you and a load of films (this was my saviour)
also buy all the newspapers on the way out but dont reda them until you get to the hotel :)
when do you go Sam?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: samgyne28 on November 01, 2006, 10:38:33 AM
Hey not fed up.  (nice changed name lol). How are you feeling today guy? Hows th eswelling.  Any bruising? Pain?

Thanks for answering my questions in the other section.  Will try to take my lap top.  Hey, were there other patients there as well?  Perhaps some people to talk to and pass time?

Noted about news papers.  Will buy them and take magazines as well.

I don't have a date yet to go.  The thing is that I'm saving up money for the surgery.  Things are really tight now.  But it sucks that they keep increasing their rates.  That pisses me off man.  Also now its gonna get really cold in Poland.  So I'm not sure on what to do.

Any how, keep us up to with your progress.  Post any other tips you may remember.  Hey did you go into Germany to check it out?

Also, did you send any pics before your operation to the dr.?  Or did you at all discuss with anyone at the clininc on the phone or something.  If I understand your thread correctly, the first time you discussed with clinic staff was on the mornign of the operation? Pls advise.

Thanks guy.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on November 02, 2006, 07:24:10 AM
yea the name change really does sum up how i feel :D

also make note that my avatar no longer says "bouncing breasts" as i edited the avatar to my needs.

I advise you to get selling everything you can on ebay.
Thats what i did just before going so really my whole op was paid for by junk in the loft.

I disvcussed on the day and didnt have to send any pictures.

swelling is still quite low and if i didnt lose anymore swelling i would still be happy with the results :)

ill try to get mrs notfedup to take some photos later and ioll upload my befores also
bruising is still quite bad but doesnt hurt.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on November 03, 2006, 07:11:14 AM
 ;D G
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on November 03, 2006, 07:13:32 AM
 ;D great news mate.....don't worry the swelling and pain will soon subside :) . I think i will post some new pics next week...


Any way, moving  on!!! lol....I have a one off offer......lol. Work has told me that i must take a week off before xmas....i can only teel the w/ 11th december....all my friends have no hols left :(...so i was thinking about visitn poland and calling in on the patients.......who is going ? send me a message.......
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on November 06, 2006, 11:30:37 AM
good on ya mark :)

Im healing amazingly well and tomorrow is my 2 week moobday.
so ill start taking 400mg of vitamin E a day and will start rubbing my nips with vitamin E cream.
roll on christmas day when i can throw my compression vest in the bin :D

tell me Mark was there any extra fee for revision?(not that i think ill need it )

8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on November 06, 2006, 11:49:15 AM
Devo just wrote a huge reply....and i deleted!!!! Here goes again!!!
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on November 06, 2006, 12:00:43 PM
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tell me Mark was there any extra fee for revision?(not that i think ill need it )



Hey Bud,
How's it going?

I've just finished watching Vincent!! I love that programme....when i grow up i want to be a Private male thingy....i don;t mean a prostitute or pimp before you start!!! lol  ;D

I don't think you will need the revision either!! I only had it because i only had lipo the first time...so i had to go back to have the excission . I believe Dr A does both at the same time now ( reading everyones reports) ....so you should have nothing to worry about.
If you do need to go back you only pay a small op fee but you still neeed to pay for the knock-out juice and stay ....yoiu only need stay one night though, they are happy to let you go early if you have been before .

I am happy with my results...the left hand side is a flat as a pancake and only shows msucle....the left side has a small pocket of fat/gland underneath....i am not bothered about this as its still a huge improvement to how i was :) ....and i was realistic about the results. I suppose i could get a little bit of lipo to resolve it.....but no point just yet and i am happy with my body ( i go swimming to the local baths....lol ) .

Yer, i think i will pop in on peeps in Poland. I started a new job a few months back ( reason for being absent from 'ere) and they gave me hols straight away. i have just found out i must use these hols before january or lose them!!! All my friends have used theirs ( we went to the canaries in the summer)  so they can't go away , even though i have found a baragain all inclusive for lanzarote!!! lol. so i though instead of wasting them on sitting at home...i would use them to visit eastern europe  ( for xmas shoppign) and pop in on the moob patients for a few pints etc...and support :) !!!

Mark  ;D

P.s how's it going ian? any improvements? revision?
Ace?GIVEme Respite ( can't remember how to spell your name.....its in my pm's but al lose this if i check.lol)

Karl...glad to see you are happy :)

Sorry for being away so long......the b&stards at work...make me work!!!  ;D :D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on November 06, 2006, 12:01:49 PM
Can't beleive they replaced D i c k with thingy!!!! ha ha ah very lame!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on November 06, 2006, 12:05:04 PM
Just want to apologise for the bad spelling and lack of structure in my last post. I am half alsleep and wrote it all in about 3 minutes....lol

Night  ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on November 06, 2006, 01:55:29 PM
they might not have replaced him ???
did your D I CK (ahem) look like avid merrion?
as maybe i got mixed up with the names or he told me a different name???
nicely healing here and i actually went into work today even tho im still kinda feeling a bit sore.
gonna pop in thursday for a few hours also :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: samgyne28 on November 07, 2006, 01:37:35 AM
how are you feeling today not fed up?  how sore are you?  Did they give you any meds for the pain?
Hows the bruising  & swelling.. Any pics buddy?
ltrs.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: karl_82 on November 07, 2006, 02:56:01 AM
Quote
they might not have replaced him ???
did your D I CK (ahem) look like avid merrion?
as maybe i got mixed up with the names or he told me a different name???
nicely healing here and i actually went into work today even tho im still kinda feeling a bit sore.
gonna pop in thursday for a few hours also :)



I've been in work myself from sunday. I have to do a fair bit of moving and lifting in my job (not very heavy) but i feel like i did before the op now.  :)

How long did you wait to get your stitches removed? I still have mine in as it says on the form he gave me to have them removed either this wednesday or thursday. Thats gonna be funny showing the nurse  :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on November 07, 2006, 05:58:29 AM
had the stitches out last thursday.
as soon as your nipples get sore youll know your body is rejecting your stitches.
my wifes a nurse so she did mine at home :)
all swelling nearly gone :) all bruising nearly gone :D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: karl_82 on November 07, 2006, 06:18:52 AM
Thats great mate. I still have bruising, but only mild now. Been using arnica cream last 2 days. Thats great about your wife taking the stitches out!
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: samgyne28 on November 07, 2006, 07:29:05 AM
hey.  its good that you guys are recovering fast.  positive new for me.  Did you have any pain/trouble flying back on the plane?  Didi it hurt to get the stitches removed?Karl, what % of the swelling and bruising is gone.  I mean can you and not fedup take off your shirts in public.  
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ian89 on November 07, 2006, 09:00:03 AM
Quote

P.s how's it going ian? any improvements? revision?
Ace?GIVEme Respite ( can't remember how to spell your name.....its in my pm's but al lose this if i check.lol)

Karl...glad to see you are happy :)

Sorry for being away so long......the b&stards at work...make me work!!!  ;D :D


Hi Mark,

Improvements aren't happening, i need lipo but haven't contacted Andreas yet until i decide if i'm going back there or not. Been busy too and have put it out of my mind now it's winter and the jackets are coming out to cover things up  ;D

Will let you know if i do and maybe if you have time off then, you can come have half a shandy with me again, just like last time  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on November 07, 2006, 10:26:03 AM
Sounds like a plan Ian!!! I am up for that.....nothing like getting yer fill of cheap polish lager and then smashing yer arm off the bed!!! i still have the scar  ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on November 07, 2006, 10:43:45 AM
Hi Guys one quick off-topic question,  
Any of you had an endoscopic biopsy? And if so, did it hurt like hell? What are they testing for when they do it?  
I am having it in a few days...been bleeding heavily for 12 months...and stupidly only told the quacks last week....got me straight in!!! they seem quite concerned as i haven't lost any weight, appetite or energy. I should have went sooner....i know i am a silly boy!!! lol
 
Cheers....

One very worried Mark

P.s. Don't worry...this was well before my ops....lol
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on November 07, 2006, 11:04:21 AM
hi mark a endoscopic biopsy is where they place a camera down your throat and take a biopsy/sample
they do this for numerous different things and for num,erous different reasons.

more to the point why are you never on msn messenger?
ive added you and karl on there but neither of you bleeders are ever on :(

if anyone wants to chat to me on msn please pm me your msn addy and ill add you :)

Karl those stitches are overdue get em out sharpish
my scars are almost healed now  so get them darn stitches out and get healing :)


@ sam
there was no problem of pain with me
i had no pain after the op and no pain flying home.
in fact i walked the third of a mile to hotel kaliski with my suitcase and laptop bag in tow and was fine.
ive got tattoos and they hurt alot more that the gyne op did.

the medical staff in the clinic must have thought i was gone demented, because when i woke up i had the hugest grin on my face and i could stop smiling for hours afterwards even tho i was falling in and out of sleep :D
Theres nmo feeling like it waking up and looking down and seeing your belly :D

and i think that this time next week i will be able to remove my shirt and nobody will be able to tell ive had any surgery :)

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: karl_82 on November 07, 2006, 11:49:26 AM
Quote


Karl those stitches are overdue get em out sharpish
my scars are almost healed now  so get them darn stitches out and get healing :)



Should hopefully be getting them out tomorrow!

does anyone know if arnica cream helps to reduce scars ? thought i read it somewhere that it helps.

To sam. Its looking alot better than it was. At first i had a big purple bruise but thats almost faded now :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on November 07, 2006, 12:08:07 PM
(http://images.ciao.com/iuk/images/products/normal/125/Palmers_Scar_Serum__6494125.jpg)


Palmers Scar Serum
from boots £9.99

dunno if its any good but ive used it and one of my nipples looks perfect (2 weeks post surgery after 4 days application)


but its a serum so it doesnt soak in very well but is excellnt for massaging.


gotta be worth a shot for £9.99 :D

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on November 12, 2006, 08:23:49 AM
HI EVERY ONE, GOOD TO HEAR POLAND STILL GOING STRONG BEEN WORKING HARD AND HAVE NOT HAD TIME TO POST. WELL I AM OFF TO THAILAND FOR THE WINTER SOON. I HAD LIPP ONLY, BACK IN JULY STILL NOT SURE IF I HAVE THE RESULTS I WAS HOPEING FOR . BEEN WORKING OUT AND MY CHEST DOES LOOK FLATER BUT NOT THAI TIGHT (IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN) MAYBE I GO BACK NEXT YEAR FOR EXSS GOOD TO HEAR EVERY IS GETING T TLESS NOT LEGESS BYE FOR NOW
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on November 12, 2006, 08:33:02 AM
well now in poland they dont do just lipo anymore :D
im over the moon with the whole expierience :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on November 12, 2006, 09:34:36 AM
Yep Notfedup is right . After a few operations Dr Andreas discovered there was a correlation between Lipo only patients and patients needing revision surgery...lol.

NotFedUp: Make sure you read the ingredients of that scar oil....the last thing you want to be doing is rubbing some potent chemical into you chest which can convert into oestrogen and give you boobs again......:) . Always read the label!!!  ;D. Type the ingredients into the net to find side effects.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: garytogarygary on November 14, 2006, 08:04:26 AM
HI MARKASHLEIGH WHAT A SH- T,  JUST MISSED THE DOC S NEW WAY OF THINKING . NO, JUST LIPPO  ANY MORE .WERE DO I GO FORM  HERE, I KNOW I HAVE TO WAIT 6 MONTHS BEFORE ANY MORE SURGERY.  ???.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: karl_82 on November 15, 2006, 02:56:48 AM
Hey guys,

2 week post op pics. Still some swelling and a little bruising but getting there  :)

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e87/nlunch/DSC00279.jpg)

Sorry about the quality, camera phone.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on November 15, 2006, 03:06:35 AM
nothiong wrong with you there kidda
i wish i was that skinny :(
ah well back to the diet and excercise :D


ingredients
Tocopheryl Acetate, Theobroma Cacao Seed Butter (Cocoa), Shark Liver Oil (Squali Lecur), Dimethicone, Allium Cepa Bulb Extract (Onion).


Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: karl_82 on November 15, 2006, 03:12:35 AM
cheers mate :)

I have asked for my before pics to be sent to me so i will post em up when i get em!

That scar serum smells well funcky btw ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on November 15, 2006, 05:25:05 AM
scar serum smells of fish :D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ace on November 15, 2006, 11:29:10 PM
Quote
Hey guys,

2 week post op pics. Still some swelling and a little bruising but getting there  :)

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e87/nlunch/DSC00279.jpg)

Sorry about the quality, camera phone.


Karl,
that looks like a smashing result, U shouldn't have anuthing to worry about.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on November 16, 2006, 03:44:46 AM
noticed i had some hard scar tissue (3 weeks post op) so i massaged it last night and it feels like its broke up  :o
i feel a bit tender today but am glad it smoothed out :)
did i do the right thing? ???
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: samgyne28 on November 22, 2006, 06:58:17 AM
Hey not fedup - whats up.  How are you feeling now.  can you take off your shirt in public and its all clear?

If you recall, I was saving up for the operation. But those bastards raised their prices again.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on November 22, 2006, 07:08:08 AM
Looking good mate  ;D.

Who has reaised the price again? Dr Andreas? If so, just go to another polish clinic....:) . I have loads of contacts if you guys want them....some very cheap and experienced with gyne. If you recall andreas wasn't my first choice...lol.I went with them becuase of the flight :) ....but now you can reach anywhere in poland...flying with easy jet, ryan air, het 2 etc :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on November 22, 2006, 11:06:14 AM
www.intermed.com.pl  email baranski@intermed.com.pl


Thats direct contact and website :)
email them and ask them a price :)
you may find it cheaper with them   ??? ???


and Sam im healed up lovely and living a full happy normal life
im going swimming next week with my 8 year old lad :D
and itsgonna be great

my only worry is that my hair hasnt grown back around my nips fully  :-X
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on November 23, 2006, 12:19:43 AM
Hi,
If doctor Baranski has raised th eprices...ask me and i'll send you the contacts for the other clinics :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: samgyne28 on November 23, 2006, 03:09:05 AM
Hey whats up guys.

Thanks for your replies.

Glad to heat youre doing well not fed up.  Can't wait to go swimming myself one day.

Mark thanks for the contact.  WIll check with the,.  If expensive, will request others from you as well.

Yes andreas raised the price.  It seems they are quite aware of this message board and read it regularly.  They even sent me a link of here as a reference source.

I geuss some guys repeatedly posted the were thrilled about the price and the clinic got popular.  

I'll need an extra 2 months to save up. Then it gets really cold there.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on November 23, 2006, 05:30:19 AM
http://www.ars-medica.com.pl/

This is an awesome one....this guy was my first choice but couldn't get flight from newcastle ( now ryan air fly from east midland, london etc to wroclaw ) .

http://www.knakiewicz.wroc.pl/face.php

http://www.chirurgiaplastyczna.niemkiewicz.pl/english.htm

Hope these help for now.....
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on November 24, 2006, 01:19:18 PM
yes as mark says they are aware of this board and are aware that it can go breasts up for them (pardon the non intended pun)
I have faith in dr baranski and if i do need any revision id use only him as he has domne me a fabulous job.
Its amazing how much different clothing is
ive gone from XL size to L size and im actually as heavy as i was prior to surgery
clothes just hang soooo much better :D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ak1982 on November 29, 2006, 09:32:57 AM
myself and a friend are booked up for the end of january :D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on November 29, 2006, 12:32:13 PM
good man
have a read through my poland thread
in fact if you print it off youll see how close a comparison things are for your trip :)
enjoy :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on November 30, 2006, 05:34:21 PM
Dr Baranski didnt want to give you revision?
if the op isnt a success then im surprised at that.
I know that they discussed with me that they could cut around the whole nipple to make it smaller if i wished.
also they said they could inject botox into the nipple to make it small/hard all the time.
id gto back again and tell him your not happy.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: samgyne28 on December 03, 2006, 05:47:44 AM
Hey Ak1982 - wanted to ask you a question.  You mentioned you were booked with a friend for end of January.  Can I ask if thats when you wanted the op done or is that the earliest date they gave you?
i ask because I ned to plan ahead as Im in the process of saving money.  Thank you.

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: ak1982 on December 04, 2006, 06:00:46 AM
Hey Ak1982 - wanted to ask you a question.  You mentioned you were booked with a friend for end of January.  Can I ask if thats when you wanted the op done or is that the earliest date they gave you?
i ask because I ned to plan ahead as Im in the process of saving money.  Thank you.



that is the date i asked for.

they did have earlier times.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: samgyne28 on December 04, 2006, 10:39:54 AM
thanks man
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on January 03, 2007, 05:13:56 PM
hi sorry for my slow reply
ive selfishly been away from the board fopr a few weeks :(

I chose Poland after reading theis long post Thanks to Mark
i noticed a few others went to poland but werent happy with the results as they didnt have incision.
I really do believe that if you went back to mr levick he would rebuild or do what is best for youy.
Hes 5 years on and has an extra 5 years in this field.
Explain to him you saw him in the past and telkl him you use this website and that you have been advised to go see him for a consultancy and maybe he can do you the revision free.
I would reccomend poland as i had a great big breasts and now im flat :D
and if you spend the time to explain to Dr Baranski (well his assistant) what you want he will give you it :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Done_n_dusted on January 04, 2007, 01:58:39 PM
Patientx1,

(Slightly off topic - soz)

As you may remember from another post I was "done" by levick last year and I'm so far happy with the results (about 5 weeks post op). I'm curious what his response was when he saw you after 6/12 months? I'm amazed he can dismiss you when there's clearly issues there - though I note you had surgery with someone else as well, did this make the situation worse or improve it?

Cheers.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Done_n_dusted on January 05, 2007, 03:10:58 PM
Sorry to hear that patientx1. Several people have posted on here about Levick doing revisions to "repair" cavaties when he's taken too much out (I think he injects fat taken from somewhere else) and have seemed pretty happy with the results. You must have been pretty hacked off not to want to go back after just your first post-op consult. I'll personally hound him until he dies if I'm not happy with the results, I'll leave it at least six months though otherwise he'll inevitably just tell me to wait.

Maybe David Icke can help... ;)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Johno1974 on January 22, 2007, 10:20:03 AM
Hi Gents, just returned from Poland on Sat where I had DR Baranski perform Lipo and gland removal.  Obviously there is currently still alot of swelling, but already I can tell there is a noticeable difference. 

I found the whole trip/experience pretty pleasant to be honest, despite the powercuts!

Landed in Berlin last Wed(LPool to Berlin<>£40), Richard the Taxi driver was right there when I came through the airport.
Short trip to Sublice, about 45 mins(60Euro) and the Euro Kalski(25Euro with no breakfst).
Not a great deal to do there so stopped in watching Eurosport.
Thursday - Richard picked me up and took me to the clinic at 8.30am, which was just down the road but only cost a couple of euros.

The whole exp at the clinic was top notch. Was taken to a room where I waited about an hour before David(an English speaking anaesth) took me through to meet the Dr and his wife. They talked me through what I was hoping to achieve and what the procedure consisted of. I then went through some paper work and paid(1750 Euro).

Went back to room where I was bought some trousers/top/stockings etc to put on for the op.  About 1/2 hr later I was taken to the theatre and laid down.  General An. and I was gone.
Woke up later with a nurse looking after me. Unfortunately they had a power cut later that night but as I was still full of general anaesthetic I slept through anyway. Power returned in the morning.

Dr Baranski and David came to see me Fri morning and fitted me with a compression vest and then I was off out.  Actually in no pain at all. Spent the day shopping and went over the border into Germany.  Came back to the clinic for tea and then watched TV for the rest of the night.

Taxi picked me up to take me to the airport Sat am.

All in all, just wanted to thank you guys for sharing your experiences, without them I wouldn't have dared do it and I can say that from my experience its def worth the money and great service.

total cost
Plane tickets circa £40
Taxi - 122 Euro
Hotel - 25 Euro
Compression vest - 80 Euro
Surgery - 1750 Euro


So thanks again.
John
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: samgyne28 on January 23, 2007, 05:05:48 AM
HEY JOHNO1974-

THANKS FOR LETTING US KNOW YOU HAD SUREGERY IN POLAND.  CAN YOU PLEASE TELL US HOW MUCH YOU PAID FR THE SURGERY AND THE HOTEL & TAXI ETC..

ALSO CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAILS ABOTU YOUR TRIP, TIME TABLE, TIME SPENT IN HOSPITAL ETC SO WE CAN BOOK OUR FLIGHTS ACCORDINGLY.  WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE CHANGED IN THIS TRIP IF YOU COULD DO IT OVER AGAIN.
ANY TIPE/SUGGESTIONS WOULD BE HELPFUL AS THERE ARE SOME MORE POTENTIAL CANDIDATES INCLUDING MYSELF.

ALSO - WHERE ARE ALL THE REST OF YOU, MARK, NOTFED UP ETC..YOU GUYS HAD SURGERY A COUPLE MONTHS AGO.  HOW ARE THE RESULTS NOW.  ANY PICS/ UPDATES..?

THANKS.

Hi Gents, just returned from Poland on Sat where I had DR Baranski perform Lipo and gland removal.  Obviously there is currently still alot of swelling, but already I can tell there is a noticeable difference. 

I found the whole trip/experience pretty pleasant to be honest, despite the powercuts!

Landed in Berlin last Wed, Richard the Taxi driver was right there when I came through the airport.
Short trip to Sublice and the Euro Kalski.
Not a great deal to do there so stopped in watching Eurosport.
Thursday - Richard picked me up and took me to the clinic, which was just down the road.

The whole exp at the clinic was top notch. Ran through everything throughly and the op went well.

Taxi picked me up to take me to the airport Sat.

All in all, just wanted to thank you guys for sharing your experiences, without them I wouldn't have dared do it and I can say that from my experience its def worth the money and great service.


So thanks again.
John
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Johno1974 on January 23, 2007, 05:44:28 AM
updated my post with a bit more detail and some prices. ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: samgyne28 on January 25, 2007, 06:37:10 AM
Thanks for the update with costs.

power cuts? don't they have a generator.  What if it happens during surgery..damn.

How was the shopping, what did you buy? Any fast food places to eat around there?

Do they still accept euros in poland?

Did you not feel any discomfort moving around crossing the border and all?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Johno1974 on January 25, 2007, 09:17:35 AM
The actual operating room still had lights on so there was def some emergency lighting/power, just nothing in the rooms.

they do accept euros but judging by the faces of the shop assistants they weren't too keen and had to go to different tills.

Crossing the border is a 2  min walk across a bridge. Flash a coupl eof guards your passport and they'll let you through. HAd no problems in this regard. There is a McD's as soon as you walk across the bridge into Germany.

Didn't buy a lot, felt more comfortable shopping in Germany as I had the Euros and knew at least a couple of Germany words as oppossed to NO polish.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Bob1981 on January 30, 2007, 10:21:36 AM
Right, I've read this entire thread and I'm very seriously considering following your examples and having surgery done in Poland.  I'll email them today for details!
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Johno1974 on January 30, 2007, 10:42:50 AM
Good on you Bob, go for it. ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on January 30, 2007, 03:30:30 PM
Oi, you lot!! stop bloody debating and book the surgery!  ;D Best thing i have ever done ( apart from me mates mam...joke!)  8) .

There is a few restaurants across the bridge into germany ( 2 mins walk) and there is also a Mac D's! Them guys get everywhere!! lol

Sorry for being absent for so long, but i have been walkign up and down the beaches in gran canaria like i was magnum!!! felt great!!! but people were still stairing at me...but then i remmembered speedo's are not cool!!! oh, well we live and learn!!

ok so who is going ? and when are you going? has any one tried any of the other clinics i first mentioned? if he hikes the prices up use the others , i researched them and one was my first choice ( location problem for me ) !

I think we should ask the national lottery fund for some money so the moobs and moobs free can get together, share stories, luagh, cry and most important get bloody drunk!! cos we deserve it  ;D

Here is my email if any of you guys want to get in touch!!

mabooth21@hotmail.com

P.S Happy butchering :P
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: AK on January 31, 2007, 07:49:43 PM
I have just got back from poland literally minutes ago.

all i can say is that i am so so happy with the results so far.

obviously it's only been 2 days since the surgery, but the boobs have gone, what more could i ask for?

i can't stop looking at my chest in the mirror, it's flat like i always wanted!

in 12 days i can take the sticky bandage off to get the stitches out, so i'll see what the nipples look like then.

i'd just like to say how good the clinic is, and i really don't think you could get better in this country.

i will write a full writeup when it's not 1am in the morning.

btw, this is a new username cos i accidentally locked myself out of my other one AK1982.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Gaz_R7 on February 01, 2007, 12:43:45 PM
I had the surgery on Monday and is still a bit sore.

The experience in Poland was great, everyone was very helpful, the place was so clean and generally everything was good and i highly recommend it.

In the end i only had surgery for gland removal as my chest is very lean and therefore liposuction on the chest was not necassary.

I have to have the stitches out on the 12th February so i look forward to that date and see how i feel about the changes, which i hope will look a lot better.

The main problem was that i get bad puffy nipples, my nipples and areola area isnt that big, i just get puffy nipples which show through t-shirts, etc... and are not good for the confidence, etc...
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: AK on February 01, 2007, 01:49:41 PM
while me and gaz were there a guy called harry from dublin was also there, apparently he reads this forum too.

say hi if you read this harry!
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Gaz_R7 on February 01, 2007, 02:05:34 PM
Yes.

And also, myself and AK came to the conclusion that the Avid Merrion look-a-like is not an Avid Merrion look-a-like.

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: samgyne28 on February 03, 2007, 05:31:40 AM
Ak / Gaz - great to hear youre both safely back.  How do you feel after returning.. Any pain, discomfort?  Any bandages/plasters?  Or is everything normal for you.

When are you guys putting up your deatailed post?  What was the cost of the procedure.

Howcome no one who has sone to poland for surgery has ever put pictures on here?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: HarryO on February 03, 2007, 09:40:06 AM
HI Gaz, Hi AK ;D

Ahhhh that feels much better despite the itching. It was nice to know that there were a couple of guys in at the same time as me, even though our schedules meant we didn't get time to chat.  Makes it easier somehow, not that it was difficult though, not in the slightest.

Nuff respect to MarkAshleigh for his pioneering spirit, we all own you one mate!!!! You too NotFedUp, thanks for your great and accurate info!!

Sam, I had surgery the day after Gaz and AK and I'm going to do a  detailed post of my personal story, op recovery etc with some pics.

I don't have a digital camera so I have no before photos, but I had one taken in the clinic before surgery with a film camera by the doctor.
When I get that pic I will post it. The pic will give a good before/after as the op theatre was warm so me nips were warm and puffy :D.

I feel great after returning. Most of the posts I read prior to going were about Levick, and I was expecting pain, restricted movement etc, but was surprised that I have felt no pain! That I could put clothes on and off no problem (but gently of course), and I could put my bag in the overhead compartment on the plane on the way home (48hrs post op).

Costs were just what Andreas said they were in a mail (total 1680 or something incl everything, don't have the figure in front of me, but there or thereabouts)

I had bandages for about 36hrs, which were replaced with plasters which will stay on until I get the stitches out 2 weeks post op.

Would I reccommend it? Hell yeah! I'll do a more detailed thread soon so you can get a better idea.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: AK on February 03, 2007, 04:31:51 PM
total cost for me and gaz was 1655 euros which roughly worked out to £1141.

That included clinic cost (3 days stay there), compression vest, anaesthetist, and the operation itself.  me and gaz shared a room as obviously we know each other and went out there together, so i'm not sure if that reduced the price at all.

ok, so here's how it all happened....

sunday evening gaz came over to my house at about 9pm, we basically just stayed up all night and at about 4am we went to the airport to check in.

we decided that it would be easier if we just took everything as hand luggage as 3 days away wouldn't require many clothes.

we went through the airport all the way to security and put our bags through the xray machine.  both mine and gaz's bags got pulled aside and we were told that we had to open them up to be searched.  fair enough, we did as we were asked.  next thing we know the woman is telling us that if we wanna get on the plane they want to confiscate 90% of my toiletries.  well this pissed me off as what harm am i gonna do with a tub of skin moisturiser and some facewash. then they wanted to take my razor, and toothpaste.  they also wanted to confiscate gaz's deodrant.  we weren't even allowed to take bottled water through with us.  well, my exact words to the woman on security were "have you been smoking too much crack?" and she proceeded to tell me that if her team leader heard then i wouldn't be allowed to fly. 

well, as much as i love arguing, i wanted my operation to go ahead more, so i kept my mouth shut and we were told to go back to check in and put a bag through as luggage, and keep valuable stuff as hand luggage, so we had a shuffle about and managed to get all our "deadly weapons" consisting of skin cream and other general wash stuff into my bag and then checked it in at the easyjet check in desk.

went back through security and everything else was fine. so we waited around till the plane was due to leave, got on, and 2 hours later we ended up in berlin.

when we got to the airport in berlin we were greeted by richard the taxi driver holding up my name on a card.  he took us out to his taxi, the trusty old vw passat, and we waited there while he went back to the arrivals lounge in the airport to meet harry (who's also on this forum).

once harry arrived then we were off.  we were driven for about 40 mins until we reached the border of germany.  we needed to show our passports here so that we could pass into poland.  once past the border control it was only a matter of a few mins before we were at the clinic in sublice.

when we arrived at the clinic we paid richard 60 euros for the journey and were taken inside the clinic and shown to our room.  i took some photos of the inside of the clinic, so i'll post them later.

once in our room we were met by a nurse who put one of those things into my arm so that u have a permanant tube into your vein so they can inject you quickly without the need for needles every time.  the nurse took our blood so they could run some tests before the operation. 

after the bloodtest i had a consultation with dr baranski. 

(to be continued when i have time to write the rest)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on February 03, 2007, 06:47:06 PM

Nuff respect to MarkAshleigh for his pioneering spirit, we all own you one mate!!!! You too NotFedUp, thanks for your great and accurate info!!



its the least we can do as wqe were sufferere3rs also and we were glad to get rid of this hgorrible nasty humiliating condition.
i will also give any advice via msn (just pm me your msn info and ill add you) as i did AK
as mosty of you have read the LEVICK threads about being in pain youll find your in for the pleasant surprise of not being in pain at all :)
so gotta be good :D


glad to hear your all happy and happy healing :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Gaz_R7 on February 04, 2007, 12:35:04 PM
Ak / Gaz - great to hear youre both safely back.  How do you feel after returning.. Any pain, discomfort?  Any bandages/plasters?  Or is everything normal for you.

When are you guys putting up your deatailed post?  What was the cost of the procedure.

Howcome no one who has sone to poland for surgery has ever put pictures on here?

Hi there mate.

I feel ok, i am a little sore but i expected that to be honest. I didnt have lipo in the end, just some gland removal for the puffy nipps that i get. I have got stitches in the nipples like you get and i have to have those out on the 12th Feb.

At the moment i have just got the stitches and also the dressing over the top of that.

I can put up a detailed post yes, that is no problem at all.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Gaz_R7 on February 04, 2007, 12:41:35 PM
HI Gaz, Hi AK ;D

Ahhhh that feels much better despite the itching. It was nice to know that there were a couple of guys in at the same time as me, even though our schedules meant we didn't get time to chat.  Makes it easier somehow, not that it was difficult though, not in the slightest.


Hi mate how are you feeling now? ? ?

Yeh was good to meet you too.

I bought one of those nike compressions tops from JJB to help with the area nice and tight until i get the stitches out on the 12th Feb.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: HarryO on February 05, 2007, 10:53:08 AM


Doing well Gaz, have a fair bit of swelling, but I'm not bothered about it. Par for the course.

After reading your post above I decided to throw on the underworks 997 over the black vest and I feel nice and tight in the chest now.

Itchy nips tho'  :D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: samgyne28 on February 07, 2007, 02:14:24 AM
Ak - So far good detailed post.  Please continue.  Tell us how is your swelling & bruising.

the price you mentiond (does it include air fare?).

Howcome you went straight to the clininc and not to the hotel like the other guys?  Did you stay all 3 days in the clinic?

Post seems very interesting.. can't wait for you to finish.

Thanks..
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Gaz_R7 on February 07, 2007, 11:04:37 AM
Ok this is my detailed description of how the Poland Surgery was...

As AK said, i went over to his house on the Sunday evening the day before we left, we just chilled out, watched a movie and played on the Xbox, etc... and basically waited until it was time to go to the airport. We were at the airport for about 4.30am and had to check the luggage in due to some of the items that we were carrying (some cream, water, etc... wasnt allowed through check-in in the hand luggage).

We flew at around 6.35am and landed in Berlin at around 9.30am local time, where we managed to get the luggage back pretty quickly. We then went through to the entrance of the aiport at Berlin and there was the taxi driver, Richard, waiting for us, with the name card. He showed us to the car and we sat in the car whilst we waited for Richard to return with another passenger, HarryO from this forum, who was also going to the clinic.

The journey from the airport in Berlin to the actual clinic in Slubice is around 99 kilometres i remember seeing on a sign, it didnt seem that far really, Richard was a decent driver and the journey was pleasant. As you reach the German/Poland border you have to present your passports to the authorities that work there in order for you to be allowed entrance into Poland.

Once through the passport control area, then the clinic was only around a 2-3 minute journey into the small town of Slubice. Myself and AK went straight to the clinic and HarryO went to stay in the hotel for the day i believe. Once inside the clinic, myself and AK were shown to our room, a nice, clean room, with 2 single beds (1 at either side of the room) with a tv and a nice en-suite bathroom.

It wasnt long before we were both sat down and had samples of blood taken from our arms, the nurse came in and took the samples and then we were given the garments for the surgery, etc... Before we put the garments on, we both had individual consultations with both the surgeon (Dr Baranski and also Andreas). They both explained the proceedure and got us to sign the neccassary paperwork for the operations and then we paid the money for the operation, and that was that.

When i had got back to the room, AK had gone for his surgery so it was time for me to get ready for my surgery. I was soon called for by the nurses and went into the theatre where i saw AK in the recovery room, coming round from his operation, still a bit groggy as you can imagine. I was layed down on the bed they have (where they operate) and i was then given general anaesthetic and the next thing i remember was me waking up in the recovery room with a rather sore throat, obviously from where i had had a tube in during the operation.

I requested some water, which the nurse gave me and also i was checked upon every 2-3 mins by the nurse, as i was wearing a finger pulse monitor which i think measured the oxygen in your blood and also heart rate, etc... I was back in the room pretty quickly and was still quite sleepy so i was asleep and AK was asleep when i returned to the room too. We were given food later that evening, and we were checked upon by the nurses very frequently and asked how we felt, etc...

We were both very sleepy and the next day came around quite fast due to the amount of sleeping that we did. Early again on the next morning (Tuesday), we were both woken quite early for food and also then had our dressings changed. We both then were moved to a room upstairs as they had to keep the room we were currently in, for new patients arriving at the clinic. The room upstairs was very nice, and we just both chilled and watched tv and relaxed on the leather sofas upstairs.

We had dinner made for us whilst we were out having a look round Slubice, we went to the supermarket and did a little bit of shopping and when we returned, dinner was ready, chicken with potatoes was the menu with a few vegetables too. Was quite nice.

On the Wednesday, this was the day that we were going home and we werent actually getting picked up by Richard (the taxi driver) until around 6pm local time, so we had a lot of time on our hands. In the morning, Andreas came upstairs to see us and see how we were, etc... We both then went downstairs where we had the dressings changed and were also handed our sheets of paper with the descriptions of the operations, etc...

Whilst downstairs the dressings were changed by Andreas and the nurse and also we were given some information on how long to stay off for the gym, etc... and physical exercise. Andreas said around 3-4 weeks would be good for myself. The sheets that we were given stated the dates for the stitches to be removed, which have to be done by the GP back in England. I have the stitches out on the 13th of February.

Once that was over and done with we went for a walk into the German part of the border and had a look round the shops and AK got something to eat. I went to the local supermarket and bought a bottle of alcohol to take home for the parents and also bought some cigarettes for my sister and her boyfriend. We had plenty of time to pass so it was fine. Once back at the clinic we got our things ready and basically just relaxed watching tv until it was time to go downstairs and be picked up by Richard (the taxi driver) at 6pm.

The weather was quite bad when we were on the way back to the airport, but we arrived at the airport in Berlin at around 7.20pm and we didn't fly until around 9.55pm so we had plenty of time just to sit down and relax, before the flight home.

I hope that helps and gives a good insight into what the Poland Surgery is like.

 :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on February 07, 2007, 02:23:39 PM
Well done lads keep it up !!!!

Just had a really sh*t day and reading all your stories has made me really happy!!! Give yerselves a pat on the back lads!!!

Remember to buy some arnica or herpanoid cream to aid recovery and stop swellign and heamatoma :)

Mark
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Gaz_R7 on February 07, 2007, 02:27:35 PM
Well done lads keep it up !!!!

Just had a really sh*t day and reading all your stories has made me really happy!!! Give yerselves a pat on the back lads!!!

Remember to buy some arnica or herpanoid cream to aid recovery and stop swellign and heamatoma :)

Mark

Ah cool i havent got any cream of anything yet, i have got the stitches coming out on the 13th Feb, where can i buy this arnica from? ? ?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: HarryO on February 07, 2007, 08:05:45 PM
Hi All,

today is 8 days post op. A quick review of the past few days.

Aug 2006. Became aware that I had 'Gyne', rather than just being unfoirtunately shaped.

I felt much more conscious of it knowing it was a 'condition' oddly enough.

Anyway, not having the cash for levick I decided, after having read this board, to just go for it and in late December I decided to
go ahead and book Baranski through Andreas in Sublice. Best descision of my life  ;D

I went to Poland a day before surgery as I thought you had to show up at 9.am, and my flight only arrived in Berlin at 10.30, so it made sense to go early.

I slept for only one hour before getting up at 4.30am to get the flight for Berlin.
Arrived  with just hand luggage and Richard was the first person I saw when I came through arrivals. Straight to the car, and a hello to AK and GAZ_7, who I didn't know.

It was important to stay awake for most of the day to make sure I slept that night. Went over to the german side of the border and wandered around and got so,ething to eat, got bored and tired and went and crashed out in the , nice, friendly hotal Kaliski.

Woke up at 6 and went for a walk to get some exercise and had a HUGE dinner and coke in the Kaliski 'Rameses' Resturaunt (he also has gyne BTW, the egyptian King). Far too much to eat. Went to bed tired but could not sleep >:(

Anyway, I had some good lectures to listen to, so it's not like my brain was bored.

Tired of my lectures, tired of insomnia, I turn on my side and notice my chest sag. I give one breast a good shake, almost like a handshake goodbye.

Anyway, up out of bed after another hour of sleep and downstairs to Richard who bring me to the clinic for a fiver. The walk is quick and easy, but I wanted to be sure that I did not sleep out my appointment.

Read AK and GAZ's posts for the blood tests that followed, form filling etc.

In the consultation Baranski was there, as was Anthony (I think he may also be called anthony, and andreas by others).

This should have been a bit akward but both were really nice and professional guys. I felt they knew there stuff and were very professional people. Anthony was interpreting. Baranski told me that he'd do a 95% excision and lipo, so as not to risk necrosis or inversion of the nipple. I said ok.

Into the theatre, onto the operating bed and out fot the count. Next thing I know Anthony says "now you have a flat chest", I look down, and  ;D





Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Bob1981 on February 08, 2007, 11:03:08 AM
All these good reports are very encouraging.  I'm emailing Andreas and getting the info pack.  I'll go and see my GP soon and see what she/he thinks.  Hope to go and have the surgery before the summer!  :) 
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on February 09, 2007, 03:29:03 PM



 I turn on my side and notice my chest sag. I give one breast a good shake, almost like a handshake goodbye.



Strange i gave both of mine a handshake in my last shower as a gyne sufferer  ;D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on February 09, 2007, 04:53:56 PM
Quote
Ah cool i havent got any cream of anything yet, i have got the stitches coming out on the 13th Feb, where can i buy this arnica from? ? ?

Thanks.

Hi mate,

Any good Chemist or Pharmacy will sell it :) . Its only about three quid, it will also help to get rid of the scar tissue .....help break it down when doing the massage! :P

Mark
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on February 15, 2007, 05:33:40 PM
yes remember to massage your scar tissue
i massaged around 3 weeks and have no scar tissue at all :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Bob1981 on February 20, 2007, 06:43:34 AM
Does any body have any pics of the work/results done in the polish clinic.  Very few people have posted them and the links have expired on those that have....
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: AK on February 20, 2007, 06:12:21 PM
well, here is my before pic and 3 weeks after pic.

tbh i am not totally happy, but i am gonna give it some more time and i'm also losing weight at the moment so we'll see what happens.

(http://img15.imgspot.com/u/07/50/19/postop1172016406.jpg)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: patientx1 on February 21, 2007, 06:34:02 AM
Cheers AK - looks like your doing just fine.

I agree Bob - Markasleigh, Notfedup and other Polish-ites, do you have your before and after pics of your ops??

Alot has been said about their service, but I haven't seen masses of their photos..!

I'm planning for my 3rd op on Tues 27th Feb and it would be great to see more photos so I can make an informed decision as to what I should do or tell Baranski!! :-\

Thanks ahead (for me and others)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: anwar on March 01, 2007, 04:48:21 AM
wow guys i never thought in a million years, that i could relate to such a subject and feel great and all i can say is thank you for starting such a thread.  ;D

i am now 100% convinced that i want the operation done including both precedures. i am now saving and planning to go in approximateley 3 months, around about the end of may 07.

i will post a log inc a detailed plan from start to finish and periodic updates just like everyone else that has had the op.

anyone want to go the same time and have the procedure done? let me know ia pm or email jimlfix_it@hotmail.com, i will look up prices for flights and so on and can share the taxicab fare too.lol take care peeps. your experiences have helped me to put my mind at ease and am looking forward to it in a few months.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: patientx1 on March 01, 2007, 01:16:25 PM
Hi guys,
As I type, I am in the Poland reception (they're letting me use their PC!  :)), having had the op this morning.
Bandages are still on, so cant tell you much. Its been a pleasant experience thus far, so I'm hoping the results will be similar.

Speak soon all ;)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: HarryO on March 01, 2007, 02:15:32 PM


Hi Patientx1,

WhooHoo! :D

I'll post photos tomorrow.

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Bob1981 on March 01, 2007, 02:30:11 PM
Hope it went well PatientX!  Nice to see that they could re-arrange your visit so quickly.  ;)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Gaz_R7 on March 02, 2007, 07:45:55 AM
Hi all, i just wondered if you guys could help me out please.

I am around 4-5 weeks now post op and im a little dis-appointed to be honest, my right side looks as though they didnt do a single thing with it, left hand side looks a little better but far from what i wanted, etc...

Has anyone got any details on how you go about contacting the Poland surgery about a potential revision? ? ?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: patientx1 on March 02, 2007, 10:59:18 AM
Just give them a ring. Haven't you got their number?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Gaz_R7 on March 02, 2007, 01:10:34 PM
Not for Poland, no.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on April 08, 2007, 05:41:12 AM
look on the Iso 9001 sheet they gave you its on there :)
or look here

http://www.esculap-service.de/english/plasticsurgery/index.htm

Title: Re: •Operation (Gynecomastia) EUR 7Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: davebrighton on July 04, 2007, 08:40:37 AM
Ha Ha i can be the Testing pig ;D , i like it.....i could add it it to my CV.
Yer the price is really cheap ; it works out £750 odd including stay in hospital and the general anaeshetic

•      Operation (Gynecomastia) EUR 750,-
•      Anaesthesia and one stay in the clinic after the operation  
EUR 240,-
•      One additional day at the clinic (full board)
EUr 65.

That comes to 1005 EUR and i think including easy jet flights from Newcastle to Berlin and then taxi from Berlin to the place in Poland, i can get it all for under a grand.

Hi Guys. I know all you veterans on the board are fed up with giving the same information out but could you tell me which clinic is the one being refered to above. when i click on a link it seems to be dead. is there a list of polish or other european clinics in one thread that i can just copy and print as I am using the works pc and only get a couple of minutes to surf for gyne stuff before some nosey bugger starts looking over my shoulder. any help would be appreciated. thanks dave

It seems like to much of a gift horse, but if i think logicaly Poland is a poor country compared to the U.K. so the price due to the economy os probs spot on.
I think i will go for it!!!!!!
After perusing the documents they send out ;)

Thanks for your advice and support :)

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on July 04, 2007, 01:16:26 PM
Quote
Hi all, i just wondered if you guys could help me out please.

I am around 4-5 weeks now post op and im a little dis-appointed to be honest, my right side looks as though they didnt do a single thing with it, left hand side looks a little better but far from what i wanted, etc...

Has anyone got any details on how you go about contacting the Poland surgery about a potential revision? ? ?

Thanks.

Hi mate,
how's it going?
I had to have a revision -its no big deal . Just send the clinic an email stating your problem and add a couple of pics....be warned they may tell you to wait three months ( which is the norm with most clinics)....Its a simple as that :).
Hope this helps

Mark

P.s. weather is shite
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: patientx1 on July 13, 2007, 05:51:20 AM
Hi Mark,

just remind me... Have you been to Baranski twice then?

I'm nearly 5 months post poland op, and am considering a revisit. Did they sort you out, so to speak, second time round? Or was your 2nd op, the first time you had been to poland?

Cheers
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: markashleigh1979 on July 14, 2007, 12:58:25 PM
hi patient1,

Yep i visited poland twice;the first time i only had lip and second was full gland removal.

I would say that i am 85 % happy with the out come...the lhs is perfect but the right still has a pocket of fat which gives the puffy/pointy look....I think this is because i only had excission the second time and not lipo...so when the gland was removed leaving a pocket...the fat from above has moved down over time....to the touch its really soft...maybe some time soon i will have it corrected...but for now i'm happy enough and like 'notfedup' i go swimming now and parade around with no shirt .

:)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on July 19, 2007, 05:45:07 PM
maybe some time soon i will have it corrected...but for now i'm happy enough and like 'notfedup' i go swimming now and parade around with no shirt .

:)


sadly enough ive started walking around in the little sun that weve had without a shirt on :D
ive never dared do that before
a neighbour spotted the light scar under my nipple and mentioned it.
I almost died on the spot when he said "OH MY GOD YOUVE HAD GYNECOMASTIA SURGERY"
then lifted his top and said "SNAP!"
what a relief  :D
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: matthew1 on July 19, 2007, 05:52:58 PM
 With a  forum thread named  ''Poland Surgery''  , that could lead to a  whole line of jokes, seeing this  aint the place or the time I will bite my tongue LOL  all in good fun  my polish friends!
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: patientx1 on August 01, 2007, 10:01:22 PM
you tried standup?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: DJB on September 02, 2007, 06:50:57 PM
I have been in touch with the Poland surgery and wanted to book in this month, but unfortunately was just made redundant.  If I secure a decent job soon I will tell them I cant start for a week and book in for surgery asap.

I had surgery on the NHS last year, surgeon just wanted to do lipo, but I argued and pleaded and we agreed on excision and lipo.....I woke up from surgery and the first thing the nurse said was "we just did lipo, the surgeon was confident this will give you the best result"....my heart just dropped right there and then, I knew deep down the problem was not fixed and what do you know, it isn't.  I have given up on the NHS and wont mind dropping the grand in Poland.

I have been emailing the clinic, but really would like to phone up and book in properly that way.  Anybody know if thats possible?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: quickhead on September 03, 2007, 02:47:11 PM
There's no real need to use the phone, the guy will book you in through email. He did it for me and i'll be vising on thursday, quite cacking myself  ::)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Bob1981 on September 03, 2007, 02:53:01 PM
Good luck!  Wish I was going with you mate, I've been hoping to go all year but there hasn't been the opportunity to get off work!  >:(
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: NotFedup on September 03, 2007, 07:35:06 PM
sorry i havnt been around much but ive just had a 3 week shirtless holiday :)
im nearly 11 months post op now and although my chest isnt 100% perfect im happy with the 95% that it is.
I wont be going for any revisions as my mind is at rest now :)
before when i took my shirtt off people would stare but now nobody bats an eyelid :)
wish id done the op 20 years ago :)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: april24th2007 on February 21, 2008, 09:05:54 AM
What happened to all you poland guys?

We need updates...

mark what is the website of cliinc in Brussels doing th esurgery for only 1100 euros?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: gersin008 on March 03, 2008, 01:15:01 PM
Thanks guys for an excellent post, after reading about every message in this I've decided to go for the operation. I contacted Andrzej Baranski st the weekend and got an appointment on April 1st. I have so many questions and fears that I can't list them in one go but did wonder if anyone knows how far Wroclaw is from Sublice? as my local airport has planes going there but not Berlin

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: outertrial on March 03, 2008, 05:20:12 PM
Thanks guys for an excellent post, after reading about every message in this I've decided to go for the operation. I contacted Andrzej Baranski st the weekend and got an appointment on April 1st. I have so many questions and fears that I can't list them in one go but did wonder if anyone knows how far Wroclaw is from Sublice? as my local airport has planes going there but not Berlin


Please check some of the more recent feedback concerning Dr Baranski rather than just looking at this thread. Type Baranski into the search field. Dr Baranski has certainly had successes and the medical care at the clinic is well thought of, but he's also had some complaints which arent represented in this thread.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: gersin008 on March 04, 2008, 11:38:26 AM
Appreciate the balanced view and had checked some of the other posts but I do think the positives with Poland outweighs the negatives, or maybe I'm clutching at straws?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: outertrial on March 04, 2008, 02:03:58 PM
Appreciate the balanced view and had checked some of the other posts but I do think the positives with Poland outweighs the negatives, or maybe I'm clutching at straws?

If youre going there because you are confident that its the right place with the right doctor to give you the results you want then its a good choice.

If youre just going because its cheap, well.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: gersin008 on March 04, 2008, 05:05:36 PM
If I was getting it on the NHS completely free I wouldn't be confident, equally I wouldn't be if I was paying £10k at a Harley Street surgery. Its a combination of right price, ease of appointment and peoples testimonies on here
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: DJB on March 05, 2008, 03:29:40 PM
I had my surgery with Dr Baranski last friday.  Flew out on the thursday, op friday, flew home on the saturday, returned to work this monday.  Very happy with the entire experience.  Richard (very nice guy) was waiting for me when I arrived In berlin, the hotel in Sublice I stayed at was great, both Dr Baranskis (husband and wife) and all their staff are great people.  The level of care at their surgery is second to none, it puts our NHS to absolute shame.

Am I happy with the results?  Right now I am 95% happy.  I had excision only, they took 50cc (is cc the correct measurment?) out of my right pec and 60 cc from my left nipple.  My right nipple is now totally flat, any flatter and it would be indented and my left nipple is about 10% away from being totally flat.  However, I cannot feel any gland under either nipple.  All I can feel is fat which I knew I would need to lose and I can feel like watery swelling.  Infact I would say today the left side was slightly flatter than it was even yesterday.  Again, I cannot feel gland under either, so confident the left is just more swollen.

Pain wise....I am amazed.....ALMOST none.  The night of the day I had my surgery I would put the pain at a maximum of 2 out of 10.  The day after I had full movement and no constant pain whatsoever, the only time it hurt is if I pushed on the nipples and even then I would describe it as just very sensitive nipples.  I was moving around with full mobility right after the surgery.  It has improved every day since.  As I said I returned to work on monday feeling the same as when I left work the day before my op.  The thought of taking a pain killer has at no point crossed my mind.

I think total cost for my op, excision only, local anasesthetic, with compression vest was about 1215 Euros.  Entire experience was completely smooth.  Loved the clinic and partly miss being there, great food, great care, great people, great room with CNN on my t.v all day lol. 

I plan to return to the gym a week thursday.  Need to let the wounds heal and then focus on losing the fat.  I have over an inch deep of soft fat on my chest that needs to go. 

Gonna hold off sending a big thank you email to the clinic for a week or two, just incase things for some reason take a turn for the worse and I need a revision.  Right now though you have probably guessed, ALMOST totally happy.  The rest is up to me.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: april24th2007 on March 05, 2008, 04:15:28 PM
Please keep us up to date about this surgery.

Pls post pictures pre & post

Also is local where they knock you out or keep you awake?

Cause I remember the Dr. telling me they always give you the knock out juice.

Was Anthony there.. Any other patients having the same surgery while you were there..

Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: DJB on March 05, 2008, 04:27:09 PM
Very sorry but I was unable to take pictures before the op, I dont have a camera phone or digital camera.  I'll do my best to get some post surgery pics and also see if I have any pics that show my gyne.  I consciencely always pinched my nipples before photos though, which made my chest look far better.

Anthony was not there unfortunately, Mrs Baranski acted as translator, lovely lady and did a great job with her English.  Its a very good set up at the clinic.  Very sorry some of you guys are needing revisions, I guess its a difficult surgery to get 100% correct.

Local is where you're still awake, they numb the area and can give you some sedatives to relax you and sort of put you in a half sleep, but you are still awake and fully know what is going on.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: gersin008 on March 05, 2008, 04:44:43 PM
Congratulations DJB, just under 4 weeks to go for me so got it all 'to look forward to'

One quick question if you don't mind. My operation is on a Tuesday. I guess that means I stay at the hotel on the Monday and go the clinic on the Tuesday morning. Do I stay in the clinic 2 nights and will I be okay to fly home on the Thursday?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: DJB on March 05, 2008, 05:17:30 PM
Thanks Gersin.  Yes you will arrive in Berlin on the monday where Richard the taxi driver will pick you up (he'll be waiting at your arrival gate with your name on a card).  He will then take you to the hotel Kalinski in Sublice (2 minute drive from the clinic).  You will then need to be at the clinic for 9am on the tuesday, Richard will pick you up and take you if you ask him, cost about 3 Euros.  They like for you to stay the 2 nights, so yeah you're fine to fly back on the thursday.  Richards fee is 70 euros each way. 

I enjoyed the food, it was always a salad, slices of deli meats and different kinds of breads.  They make a delicous soup and hot main meals for dinner.  There is a t.v in your room, however CNN is the only English speaking channel, which got a little boring.  If you're interested in the American Election though you're in for a treat.

The young Nurse/Secretary that took the money is absolutely gorgeous ;-)
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: gersin008 on March 05, 2008, 05:36:03 PM
Look like I may be falling in love then

Thanks for the information, looks like their customer service is excellent.In the emails they have sent they did say it was an option to get the half hourly train to Frankfurt-Oder and then a taxi to Sublice from there, my initial thought was to go to Frankfurt from my local airport, Glasgow Prestwick but didn't know that was 700km from Frankfurt-Ober (my geography letting me down big time) Looks like I will be best to travel to Glasgow International instead and go to Berlin like the vast majority on here

So you are feeling fit now? Please let us all know how you get on, though I do go to the gym a few times a week I was more concerned about my golf and thought it be a good few weeks before I could do that. Anyone else played golf after the operation and how soon?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: CAP on March 05, 2008, 08:56:14 PM
I had my surgery (excission and lipo via the nipples) at the start of November.

I know others have expressed their opions here and in other threads... so thought I'd share some more of my opinions and experience of having the surgery in Poland.

Getting the negatives out of the way first:

1. Richard the taxi driver didn't really have any English and did not seem to respond to smiles etc.  I didn't find him to be the really great guy others have mentioned him to be (perhaps he had two 'off days').  His car is rather old and the boot doesn't quite shut properly.

2. The hotel (according to my mate who went with me and stayed there) is rather grim.  As is the town itself.

3. Anthony (is that his name? I may have that wrong) has quite poor English, so communication of any great detail was difficult and added to my stress levels.  Mrs Baranski has much better English.  They made me sign a waver basically getting them out of having to do any revision work for free... which I thought a bit worrying.

4. Dr Baranski appears to have no English... but then I only saw him for a total of about 30 seconds.

5. The results are not perfect, which again I think is down to the lack of being able to communicate with them properly.

6. I wore the vest for about 10 or 12 weeks... which by the end is a real pain in the bum.

Now the positives:

1. Although nowhere near perfection, the result is a marked improvement on what I was like pre-op... and I'm happy with that.  I was able to go on holiday a month ago, just three months post op and take my shirt off, and for the first time felt more selfconscious about my wobbly belly than my chest!  It was very liberating

2. The nursing staff in Poland are great.  Pain relief on tap.  The food, while a bit odd, was really tasty.  The clinic is spotless inside. (only downside is watching CNN for the whole day after your op).  I ended up going for a walk to the river... quite a distance with chest drains attached to your chest and elasticated stockings falling down your legs.

3. I'm not waiting for some random NHS butcher to come at me with a rusty fork anymore... and mental relief of finally doing something about it is almost as good as not having pointy nipples.
 
4. There is really no pain post op... once I got home I only used arnica cream and pills to help with the bruising.... and some cream for stretch marks that is meant to help the skins elasticity. Didn't need any pain killers.

5. The vest really does help, and you should wear it... it'll also give you an instant flat chest.  People will probably comment on how you've lost weight.

6. I told my friends about the op, also my sister... not my parents.  Nor did I tell my work.  I simply said to work that I was having surgery... they did not ask what it was... and I ask my line manager to keep it confidential from the other guys as I didn't want to talk about the surgery.  My GP gave me a line that just said recovery from surgery.  I took two weeks off, but could have gone back after about 5 days I think.  None of the people who I kept it from noticed anything amiss.  My parents wanted me to help with lifting some furniture when I got back, so just told them I had a sore shoulder.  Enjoy the time off... take it easy.

7.  The stitches around the nipples confused the nurse at my GPs, as they had never seen such neat and unusual stitching technique and couldn't figure out how to get them out.  In the end it was a simple case of snipping at both ends and yanking straight out in one quick pull... which was painless.

Hope some of that helps. I wish someone had told me that communication was going to be such a big barrier... it wouldn't have stopped me (don't let it stop you) but I would like to have been prepared for that. 

All the best mate; and keep in mind that whatever the result, it will be better than what you have now... and probably no worse (indeed probably better) than you'd get from the NHS.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: DJB on March 06, 2008, 03:59:34 AM
Nice post Cap.  I really did not come across any of the negatives you mentioned.

Richard was very pleasant.  He speaks very little English, but he gave out a good vibe, straight away we had a laugh when I walked to the drivers side of his car (opposite side to England).  He has clearly got a new car since your trip.

The town from what I saw of it seemed ok, it was far from a high income area and yes some of the buildings looked a little tatty, but it seemed fine, things are different in Poland.  Either you stayed at a different hotel to me or they made some major renovations.  Although the rooms were small, I find everything to be pristine and high quality.  The lobby was beautiful.  I certainly felt safe and comfortable.

I think Dr Baranskis wife was the only person who spoke decent English and she translated very well.  So I cant personally complain about the language barrier as I was able to speak to her the entire time.  Dr Baranski came across like it was a piece of cake to him.  He shook my hand, looked at my chest for about 30 seconds, give each nipple a squeeze, his wife said something to him in Polish, he smiled at me and nodded and that was it.  His wife was there the entire op translating.

You made me laugh with the CNN comment!
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: april24th2007 on March 07, 2008, 05:33:04 PM
so are you going for a revision CAP?

Btw - my thoughts & experience are the same as yours.  On every point you mentioned.  To the elastic slipping down th eleg to the stitches.

Ditto on everything.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: CAP on March 11, 2008, 07:54:29 PM
I've no plans at the moment to go for a revision.  As I said, I am happier now than I was. 

The pointy/puffy nipples are gone and there is less fat in my chest.  It's no where near flat, as I really need to get my ass in to gear and loose another couple of stone (I managed to loose about 1 and a half stone before the op... I was 14st, now just under 12.5st... should prob be about 11st at the most).  Once I've done that I'll take a look at myself and decide if it still needs surgery to improve things.  Hopefully I won't.  When I was slimmer years ago the problem was not fat in the chest, it was the puffyness... now that is gone I think I should be ok.

One thing I forgot to mention is that before my op, my GP said he would not be taking me off the NHS list in case I wasn't happy with Poland... he said if I could get things fixed on the NHS if I the result was bad.  So, as far as I know I am still waiting for my op date with the private firm the NHS here has handed me over to.  I'm loosing track of time... but it is now just over a year since I saw the consultant... approaching 3 years since I first went to my GP!  I think if I was still waiting for the NHS to sort, I would be insane by now!
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: gersin008 on April 04, 2008, 07:46:29 PM
I am now 4 days post op and though I'd give a report of my adventure

I left early Monday morning and arrived in Berlin on Monday afternoon, I dedcided to make my own way to Slubice so got a train to Berlin Ostabanhoff (excuse any spelling errors) and the another to Frankfurt (Oder) abour 8 euros. The taxi to Hotel Kaliski was about 7 euros so a lot cheaper than the usual cab form the airport The hotel was more than adequate but I only had a beer there and decided to head to Frankfurt for a Big Mac, which was an okay walk and I was never once asked for passport at border control

The tuesday I got a taxi to the clinic, where I was roomed up with a young Polish guy getting his nose done. I didn't like the fact I was sharing but he turned out a really decent guy and couldn't have been more supportive or helpful. I had my blood taken and a chat with Anthony who told me that I was overweight and would possibly need further surgery the following year, especially if I lose weight. I then briefly met Dr Baranski and he more or less confirmed this. After another wee chat with Anthony I paid him 1760 Euros which included the cost of the compression vest, he told me to get prepared for surgery which went relatively smoothly. The nurses were excellent and kept me comfortable with some light dinner, painkillers and sleeping tablets

Wednesday, I got my first look at my chest when Anthony took my bandaged off and fitted me with my vest, he said it was up to me if I wanted to stay the extra night as it was quite successful. I decided to stay but went a long walk into town and read a book out in the garden. I was fed all day and though the food didn't always look apppetising it was actually quite tastey but so much for losing weight as they kept bringing me more food

Thursday I left at 8.15 am and said my goodbyes to the excellent nurses and my new Polish friend. Again i decided to get the train which wasn't distressing but quite pleasant my only panic was at the airport customs as they seemed to be frisking everyone and my kness were shaking as there was no way I could let someone touch me. I emptied my pockets and made sure I had no metal and fortunately I got through without being touched

Overall I would say my experience was positive, with staff,the clinic and the surgery being top class. I pray that I won't have to go back but Anthony and Baranski were just warning me at my age the skin loses its elasticity and ther maybe some droop in the skin. They were extremely honest on my body assessment as though I am not obese I am overweight

Hopefully after my body settles I can get picture up but at the moemnt I'm happy with the results and heres hoping that I will be happy after 6 months
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: DJB on April 05, 2008, 01:18:43 PM
Customs at the airport on the way back is one thing I should mention....the scanner did pick up my support vest and I was asked to leave everything where is was and go into a cubicle with 2 customs officers and take my shirt off.  This may sound frightening, but I fully understood, they are just being cautious.  They were very friendly and literally as soon as they saw the bandages they appologised and asked if I was ok.  I didn't find it embarassing at all, at the end of the day, never ever will you see those guys again!
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: gersin008 on April 05, 2008, 02:57:09 PM
I seen the cubicle and think if I was stopped I would've asked to go there, it was just the fear of being touched not the fear of someone knowing I had a compression vest on
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: april24th2007 on April 06, 2008, 02:38:44 PM
Hey.

You should be able to play golf about a month after the surgery. +/- 1 week.

If you can find a direct flight to Frankfurt Oder, I highly suggest you take it.  Berlin is still far from Sublie. Where as Frankfurt Oder is literally walking distace from the clinic.  You'll save taxi cost as well and be closer to the clinic.

When are you planning on going?  How much are they quoting you?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: gersin008 on April 07, 2008, 11:51:13 AM
Don't think there is an airport at Frankfurt Oder so think Berlin is the nearest German aitport and not sure about transport links from the Polish airports.

I've been, 6 days a go and it cost 1760 Euros
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: april24th2007 on April 07, 2008, 04:33:31 PM
1760 for a return ticket?  Seems very very steep.

So when are you going for the surgery..
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: barclay on April 08, 2008, 03:30:57 AM
i think he might have meant it was 1760 euros for the op as thats the figure he put in his post regarding the day of surgery

...... met Dr Baranski and he more or less confirmed this. After another wee chat with Anthony I paid him 1760 Euros which included the cost of the compression vest, he told me to get prepared for surgery which went relatively smoothly. The nurses were excellent .....
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: gersin008 on April 08, 2008, 01:49:48 PM
yeh thought April24th was just trying to take the piss, so thanks guys

The operation cost 1760 euros, the flight cost £108 from Glasgow
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: april24th2007 on April 08, 2008, 05:43:55 PM
haha not taking the piss mate. 

so when are you going?  how long before did you have to book?
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: gersin008 on April 09, 2008, 11:34:01 AM
As I said I've been, operation was on April 1st. The first email I sent was beginning of March so only had a 4 week wait from beginning to end, whch I thought was good
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: april24th2007 on April 09, 2008, 12:03:36 PM
cool.  so how did it go? Youre 8 days post op.

tell us about the whole experience and pls show pics..
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: gersin008 on April 09, 2008, 01:17:57 PM
hopefully get picture uploaded after a couple of weeks as trying not to judge at moment, I have spoke about my experiences on the previous post but if I was to say how I felt now is happy but can't wait to get the stitches out and ditch the compression vest. The bruising is going away very fast and feel quite good overall
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: april24th2007 on April 10, 2008, 12:54:49 PM
cool.  I'll look for yr other posts.

But come on mate, pls put up pics for us.  They are key for the rest of us.  Pls don't make us wait for weeks.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: qazwsxedcrfvtgb on February 10, 2015, 10:21:54 AM
strong bump for most read topic
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Sports Brah on March 12, 2015, 05:32:19 PM
I came back from Poland the other week. I documented my (ongoing) experience in this thread here:
https://www.gynecomastia.org/smf/22/surgery-at-the-noa-clinic-wroclaw-poland-23022015/

99% of people from the UK on this board might go with Levick or Karidis but within the strength/fitness communities I browse there were a ton of people using the Noa Clinic from the UK and even as far afield as Canada, not to mention an almost endless stream of reviews from women going there for cosmetic work (and a few z-list celebrities).

No regrets - £1400 for the procedure, <£2000 with all the flights, hotel and food etc and I got something of a weekend break away out of it too.
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: mickd on April 17, 2015, 12:22:48 PM
im also a week back from the NOA clinic

found them very professional and overall a really superb service

1400 for the op
100 for the flights
40 for the hotel and breakfast
taxi from clinic to hotel/to airport about 20 each

recovery is coming along really well
Title: Re: Poland Surgery
Post by: Sports Brah on April 17, 2015, 03:06:22 PM
Nice. They're constantly doing gyno ops so have it down to a t and Wroclaw itself wasn't a bad place to visit either. Viable alternative to having it done in the UK and I'm surprised more people here haven't used them (although talking about my op on my fitness forums led 3 other people to go there to get theirs done lol).