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Title: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 16, 2006, 11:57:24 AM
Day 1:

I just started my first day of applying Andractim which is believed to reduce gyne.  Clearish/whitish gel.  Applied to nipples, absorbed fairly quickly into the skin.  Leaves nipples hard for a while.  Nothing serious.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: cptam on February 17, 2006, 04:19:30 AM
Very interested….. Please keep us posted.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: phantom on February 17, 2006, 04:42:11 AM
I used a complete course of Andractim a couple of years ago.  It had zero effect.  It's my understanding that is can be effective on some people, especially if applied soon after the onset of glandular tissue growth, but less effective on long-standing or established glandular growth.

I don't reacall any real sucesses of anyone using Andractim on this forum (can anyone direct to a link?) but if it works for you, excellent news.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Hypo-is-here on February 17, 2006, 08:01:58 AM
There have been notable successes with Andractim on this forum just as there have been notable failures.

As you say its likelihood of success is often greatly affected by the length of time that the gynecomastia has been evident.

After around a year and a half/two years gynecomastia moves from the proliferation/development phase to a more fibrous state and at that point it tends to be far less responsive to hormonal factors that improve the testosterone to estrogen ratio.

Something explained by Glen D Braunstein in his 1993 gynecomastia white paper.  The paper can be obtained from The New England Journal of Medicine.

Extract from the paper quoted verbatim

The non-aromatizable androgen dihydrotestosterone has been used, either by injection or percutaneously, ina group of patients with prolonged pubertal gynecomastia.  Approximately 75 percent had reductions in breast tissue volume, with 25 percent having a complete response.
Unquote

There are many other journals and controlled trials that indicate and coroborate the above findings.


P.S

Whilst rarely being a replacement for surgery, the use of this and other medications do/should have their place, especially during the development phase of the condition.  Of course the knowledge of such requires greater education of frontline gps in order for such action to be undertaken.

 




Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: deskjet444 on February 17, 2006, 09:09:23 AM
is it at all possible the andractic could worsen the gyno? because there is testosterone in the andractim right?
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: Hypo-is-here on February 17, 2006, 07:45:06 PM
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is it at all possible the andractic could worsen the gyno? because there is testosterone in the andractim right?


There is NOT any testosterone in Andractim.

Andractim is dihydrotestosterone or DHT as it is often referred to.

It may sound the same as testosterone but it is a different androgen altogether.

In the body testosterone is converted into two principle metabolites estradiol and DHT.

DHT is non aromatizable.  This means that it can NOT be converted into estradiol or any other estrogen.

Andractim is produced by Besins International Pharmaceutical company and is licensed for the treatment of gynecomastia (having passed many medical trials) in some European countries- Belgium for example.











Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 18, 2006, 07:38:27 AM
Sorry for the delay...

Day 2:

Same effects as Day 1, applied 2.5 g (1 spatula) to each nipple and rubbed in.  Continues to leave my nipples hard and pointy for a while.


Someone wanted a link to a success of Andractim, here it is.  This is what got me to buy it.  Read this one, keep up with mine.

http://www.gynecomastia.org/cgi-bin/gyne_yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=10;action=display;num=1092151313
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 18, 2006, 07:40:41 AM
Day 3:

Nothing special yet.  I'm sure it takes a couple days of usage for effects to be noticable (soreness, size reduction, etc.).  But it's only Day 3 and i have 2 full months Andractim.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 18, 2006, 08:45:38 AM
Still on Day 3 but it's been about 2 hours since i applied the gel, and to me it looks like some of this tissue around my nipples is gone.  Not much at all, if any.  For the 1st 2 days, my nipples would shrink then after an hour or so return to their normal puffy stage.  Maybe i'm just cold, but i hope not.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: cptam on February 18, 2006, 09:23:20 AM
Thanks for keeping us updated!!!
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 19, 2006, 08:09:36 AM
Day 4:

Application of gel went normally.  I do notice, however, that when my body temperature is normal (when i'm not cold and usually when the nipples are at thier puffy stage) that they are not quite as puffy as they used to be.  Some of the size looks like it went down a little bit, and i mean a little bit.  There is no drastic change.  There hasn't been any change on the hard disk-like lump that is underneath my nipple, which seems to be the root of the problem.
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Post by: moto39 on February 19, 2006, 08:48:49 AM
So hey I have a question, will this cream help take the puffyness out of nipples for good, if it does what it is suppossed to. Also will taking stuff like Rebound XT do the same as this stuff, I would like to know if taking away estrogene and getting more testostorone would help break down the gland.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 19, 2006, 10:52:25 AM
Moto, i'm not sure if Rebound XT will do the same thing as Andractim.  Andractim is a dihydrotestosterone, which prevents estrogen conversion.  Just do a little research.  And yes, it is supposed to rid your nipples of puffyness.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: moto39 on February 19, 2006, 12:19:12 PM
Hey thanks for the info, I am intersted in how its going to work.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 19, 2006, 02:48:45 PM
Well i'm updating every day so just keep checkin.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: yanks45 on February 20, 2006, 09:06:46 AM
This definitely looks like it might solve my problem.  I live in NYC, so how can I get my hands on this?  Do I have to go to an endocrinologist first?  Or is it safe enough that I can just order it online?  How much does it cost?  And what are the side effects?  Sorry for all the questions, but this has really caught my attention and I want to gain as much information on this as I can.  I feel like a kid on the last day of school because I'm so excited about his.  LOL.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on February 20, 2006, 11:51:16 AM
Where can this be purchased online the the U.S. ??

Website?
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 20, 2006, 12:06:29 PM
Ok i will answer all of your questions.  This prouduct is not made in the U.S.  I ordered it off of a British website, that website is http://www.allsaintsclinic.org/gynecomastia-gynaecomastia-treatments.shtml.  I have heard many good things about this website, it's not a phony.    The cost is about $110  U.S. Dollars and it takes about 2-3 weeks to come in.  For a mild case, order 2 tubes of Andractim, plus the PSA Testing Kit, which is only necessary if you are over the age of 25-30.  I've been on it for 5 days now and I haven't had any side effects whatsoever.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 20, 2006, 12:09:31 PM
Day 5:

Applied regular amount of gel today.  Nipples seem to have gone down in size a little bit.  At first i though it was my imagination, but i think i see real change!  This is very exciting to me, i just hope they keep shrinking.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on February 20, 2006, 01:02:17 PM
What does that testing kit do? I am 18 years old. Do I need it? Also anything else I need to know before ordering?
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 20, 2006, 01:06:42 PM
The testing kit tests for prostate cancer.  Do a little research it's actually pretty interesting.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on February 20, 2006, 01:29:00 PM
I just placed my order for two tubes and the testing kit. I really hope it works. I have tried everything up to this point.  Any special way I should apply it? Or how many times a day, or what time of day?

Keep us updated on your progress
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: sadgyneguy on February 20, 2006, 02:20:46 PM
wow thats nice. thanks for the day to day update.

i hope you can take some pictures.  :)
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 20, 2006, 02:59:26 PM
I do 2.5 gramps (1 spatula - which is provided) daily.  The guy i found this stuff from said that is a good amount.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on February 20, 2006, 03:04:23 PM
1 Spatula per nipple? or half for one, half for the other?
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 20, 2006, 03:05:29 PM
Just for the record, my case of gyne is mild.  I experimented with steroids for football my senior year in highschool and one of the side effects was gyne or "bitch breasts".  I don't have an extreme amount of excess fat around my nipples/pecs.  My nipples are puffy, with a hard lump underneath.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 20, 2006, 03:05:58 PM
1 spatula, 2.5 grams, per nipple.  Rub in thoroughly
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 20, 2006, 03:06:48 PM
Lol ok that "pregnant dog breasts" is supposed to be "b@itch breasts"
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 20, 2006, 03:51:14 PM
Ok here are some pictures.  The gyne in these pictures are not as bad as they used to be, since i've been on the Andractim gel for almost a week now.

(http://www.freewebs.com/schamp69/gynepics.htm)
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 20, 2006, 03:51:29 PM
http://www.freewebs.com/schamp69/gynepics.htm
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: yanks45 on February 20, 2006, 03:55:23 PM
I want to know if anyone else has tried andractim.  It just seems a little fishy.  The posts to the success story look a lot like these posts.  I think that a representative from that allsaintsclinic website that is posted in this thread might be trying to gain a buck off of vunerable gyne sufferers by making a name and writing a journal. I mean compare the names of the person from this thread (Testing_Andractim), and the name of the person who posted the success story (andractim_test). I MIGHT BE WRONG, but it just seems a little bit weird.  
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on February 20, 2006, 04:34:43 PM
Ill run a few tests on the ip and see if it comes back to the same location as the website is coming out of. I am a little weary myself.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on February 20, 2006, 04:35:53 PM
If you wouldnt mind could you take a picture holding up 3 fingers? just to verify that this is you. Thanks
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 20, 2006, 04:36:25 PM
That's a good thoery, but you are wrong lol.  I have no idea who the other guy is, and i actually thought of that myself.  "Maybe that's just someone from allsaintsclinic.org trying to get people to buy thier product"  I decided to give it a shot.  Maybe the success story is similar to mine because it works.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on February 20, 2006, 04:47:18 PM
Is it a coincidence that your ip address is from the same location in the world as the ip address of the website where the product is advertised?
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: yanks45 on February 20, 2006, 04:50:34 PM
Also,  the name was created on Jan 30th I believe.  Most people come to this board for some support and to see the different kinds of treatment available.  This name just appeared out of nowhere and started listing a journal.  Usually people would ask about a treatment first and say they would be trying a new treatment soon.  These posts just came out of nowhere.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on February 20, 2006, 04:55:22 PM
Yup, Jan 30th. Good Point.

In addition what kind of doctor has a PO BOX? Most have an office ! :-)

I think this scam has been figured out ....
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 20, 2006, 05:00:56 PM
LOL think what you want guys... this is not a scam.  I live in the US, Louisiana, and the clinics.org is in Britian or something.  Ask me to send u a pic of anything, u tell me if i work for them...
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 20, 2006, 05:02:29 PM
Its not a rule to ask for help before you start posting threads.  Im posting the thread to help other people get rid of the gyne crap that i got...
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 20, 2006, 05:13:16 PM
My IP address isn't the same as that website lol nice try tho...
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on February 20, 2006, 05:16:57 PM
My investigation continues and I turn up some more interesting information:

http://www.allsaintsclinic.com is registered to someone different then http://www.allsaintsclinic.org.  

In addition all the information from the .com address is the same on the .org address, however all the registration information for each domain is different.  This shows that not the same person own these two.  

Something is NOT right here!
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on February 20, 2006, 05:17:29 PM
Of course its not the same you idiot, its from the same location.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 20, 2006, 05:19:13 PM
Ok both of yall are trying to prove something that is wrong lol.  Keep trying tho, im going to just keep posting.  :)
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: cptam on February 21, 2006, 04:51:32 AM
Yep... Keep posting. I will start my test in a couple of weeks.. I am willing to try about anything..
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: humph on February 21, 2006, 05:52:02 AM
So is it helping remove the hard lump or lust the soft fatty bit?  Let me know thanks, H.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 21, 2006, 11:58:17 AM
I will by applying my Day 6 application in a little while, after i shower.  I am pressed for time right now.  But the fatty tissue may have gone down a little bit, and my nipples are slighty more sensative.  The lump underneath is still the same, but i've heard of a case of someone using this where it didnt start to effect the lump until after a couple of weeks.  Update coming soon.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 21, 2006, 12:41:22 PM
Day 6:

Applied gel, nipples feel a little more sensative.  I don't know if this is good or bad.  I'll just keep my fingers crossed that it's good.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: cptam on February 22, 2006, 10:12:46 AM
Bump
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 22, 2006, 11:32:48 AM
Day 7:

Applied gel as usual. Nipples still remain real puffy when my body temperature is up.  Nipples are also still a little sensative when i touch them.  No major changes in any other areas.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: toughcrowd on February 22, 2006, 10:11:16 PM
So if Andractim can work if you don't have just fat, pseudo gyne that is still great. But is this site really safe to buy from? The saints one? I've read a bunch of posts saying they've ordered it but then they never come back and say anything about it. That old thread is like two years old. Why isn't Andractim talked about more on this site? A google search barely came up with anything. Most forum posts about it are years old. I don't get it. If it worked wouldn't it be HUGE, even if it just worked on 50% of cases. There should be a Andractim Buying Guide on this site with a bunch of feedback from people who've bought from the same place and verified that it is actually Andractim they're getting and not some fake junk.

Can't afford surgery and have gland gyne, this would be great if it worked.

Also Testing Andractim, if you could take those pictures with three fingers that would be good. Having Andractim in your name IS fishy. But if you're legit I really appreciate your diary.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Hypo-is-here on February 23, 2006, 07:25:42 AM
I have wrote dozens of of posts/threads on Andractim toughcrowd and have even posted articles regarding Andractim from The New England Journal of Medicine.

If you do a search with the name hypo and put the word Andractim into the seach you should find what you are after- if the search engine works.



Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: toughcrowd on February 23, 2006, 07:57:53 AM
Yeah, I tried search before and basically only got posts from this thread even with results set higher. Tried it again with your name and got a few more so thanks. I'm more curious to hear from people who had a good experience with the saints clinic.

But I am curious as to what the side effects may be, are they similar to regular steroid side effects, like balding, acne etc? Thanks. Also if you have any direct links to articles I'd love those. :D
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Post by: wolfman on February 23, 2006, 10:18:09 AM
o my god how can u belive that some gel would make your boobs to disapere. unbeliveble LOL ??? ::)
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: toughcrowd on February 23, 2006, 10:22:54 AM
Why wouldn't it work on breast tissue created from a side effect of medication? We aren't talking about fatty man boobs. I'm skinny with gyne.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Hypo-is-here on February 23, 2006, 01:14:47 PM
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o my god how can u belive that some gel would make your boobs to disapere. unbeliveble LOL ??? ::)


It works by altering the crucial hormonal balance away from estrogens in favour of Androgens.

Andractim is the potent non aromatizable male hormone dihydrotestosterone.

It absolutely does work for some people and if you don't believe me you can give me your address and I will photocopy Dr Glen D Brauntein's 1993 white paper from the New England Journal of Medicine on Gynecomastia that details the controlled trial results that showed that 75% of men had reductions in breast volume and 25% saw a complete resolution.

Just to add.

Andractim is not some crap from some bodybuilding prat on the internet, it is a product that has passed all the relevant medical trials and is made by the pharmaceutical company Besins International.

It is used by endocrinologists in many European-  countries (Belgium for example) to treat gynecomastia.

It is licensed for this very purpose!!






Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 23, 2006, 03:54:22 PM
Day 8:

Applied gel, nipples stayed hard for a while.  Nothing serious to report yet, except my nipples are still a little sore.  I'm not 100% sure if this product will work, but i'm so sick of gyne that i'm willing to try anything to get rid of it.  I've seen 1 success story so far, so hopefully i will have the same outcome.  Picture with 3 fingers for verification coming right up.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: toughcrowd on February 23, 2006, 04:03:30 PM
Thanks Testing.

When is the best time to apply the gel? Before going to bed or after showering in the morning?
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 23, 2006, 04:05:08 PM
http://www.freewebs.com/schamp69/verification.htm

There ya go.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 23, 2006, 04:06:04 PM
I Apply it in the morning right after i shower.  I think that's the best time, stay on your skin the longest.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Hypo-is-here on February 23, 2006, 04:53:01 PM
Andractim is supposed to be used in the morning as this is the time that fits the bodies own natural circadian hormonal rhythm.

If it is used at any other point particularly latter in the day it helps to suppress endogenous production of hormones and it can cause insomnia.

Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 24, 2006, 01:24:49 PM
Day 9:

Applied gel, but nothing serious to report.  Starting to get skeptical of this gel....
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: spaceace on February 25, 2006, 08:15:33 AM
Is Andractim supposed to be applied to recently hydrated skin (ie after a shower) or to dry skin?
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 25, 2006, 08:16:10 AM
Not really sure if it matters too much...
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Hypo-is-here on February 25, 2006, 08:58:18 AM
It is supposed to be applied to dry skin.
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Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 25, 2006, 10:15:53 AM
Day 10:

May be noticing slight difference in the fatty tissue around my nipple.  Not drastic, but a little bit.  Once again could be my imagination.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: toughcrowd on February 25, 2006, 10:50:20 AM
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It is supposed to be applied to dry skin.


But applying it right after drying from a shower is ok right? Or should you wait awhile.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on February 26, 2006, 07:22:40 AM
I wouldn't suggesst anyone buying this cream from the AllSaintsClinic.  I ordered two tubes and the testing kit package. I was charged $194!!!!!! Also they said that they never got my order which is BS because they charged me, not to mention over charged me!

Now i have the headache of trying to get my moneyy back!
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: spaceace on February 26, 2006, 07:56:06 AM
Zippy211,

Did you not receive a receipt sent to your email immediately after you placed the order?
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on February 26, 2006, 08:03:19 AM
No i received no confirmation, nothing.... but they charged my account... and for too much.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 26, 2006, 08:38:01 AM
Zippy, that 100 you saw was in euro's, not American dollars.  You have to do the currency exchange to figure out how much money it would cost you.  
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 26, 2006, 08:39:12 AM
Day 11:

Applied about 45 min. ago.  Nipples are shriveled up real smal and kinda hurt a lil bit.  Don't know why, but this feeling is different than the soreness i was feeling a couple days back.  I still got a lot of this gel left so i hope this is progress.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 26, 2006, 10:49:46 AM
Left nipples looks slightly smaller than the right one.  Man i'm praying this stuff works.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: toughcrowd on February 26, 2006, 03:28:08 PM
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No i received no confirmation, nothing.... but they charged my account... and for too much.


This is just a guess but maybe you misspelled your email. I got an email right after ordering. About the over charging it tells you how much in US dollars it will be right under the Euro amount so that's kind of on you.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 26, 2006, 04:46:04 PM
You must have done something wrong becase i got a confirmation email right after my order.  
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 27, 2006, 06:57:45 AM
For some reason, my gyne is always at its worst right after i wake up.  Anyone know why that is?
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: toughcrowd on February 27, 2006, 09:00:35 AM
Mine is always worse before I go to sleep. I think it might be that my room is usually pretty cold when I get up.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 28, 2006, 06:24:20 AM
Day 12:

Can't tell if nipples got any smaller.  Seems to me that they aren't really as puffy.  Lump underneath remains solid.  Got a ways to go.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on February 28, 2006, 10:58:37 AM
There was a problem with them seeing my order. It took longer but they got it and i ALREADY received the 2 bottles and testing kit today!!!! Im stunned!

Anyways I will be creating a diary of my progress if anyone would like to follow along.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on February 28, 2006, 11:04:16 AM
Can i start this tonight? How many times a day shouild I apply the spatula? Please give me a detailed routine so i do this right. Thanks

Also when should I do that prostate test i got?
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 28, 2006, 12:43:36 PM
Do the PSA Testing Kit before you start the actual gel.  It tests for prostate cancer so if you're under the age of 35 i think you're safe.  Anyway, start it in the morning, and apply 1 spatula (2.5g) to each nipples.  Rub in thoroughly until almost dry.  Do not whipe off excess.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on February 28, 2006, 02:45:12 PM
So how many times a day do i do this? When do I do it? Can i put a shirt on afterwards to go to work? Please clarify a little. Thanks!
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on February 28, 2006, 03:50:31 PM
One more thing, how much do i put on the spatula? and how many times a day? and can i put on a shirt after i do it to go to work? etc.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on February 28, 2006, 06:58:41 PM
Do it once a day in the morning. Just fill that spatula up with the gel and yes you can exercise, put on a shirt, etc. as long as it's dry.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on March 01, 2006, 12:51:48 AM
Day1:

Okay, well woke up this morning its not almost 7:00 AM EST.  I applied my first spatual to each nipple.

I am underway!
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on March 01, 2006, 08:28:43 AM
Whoa, whoa.  Zippy, could you please start a new thread.  Mines long enough as it is.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on March 01, 2006, 11:39:38 AM
Day 13:

Been on this gel for almost 2 weeks, and the results seem to vary.  Sometimes i think it's working and it looks like they're getting smaller, slowly but surely.  And other times, i'll wake up and it looks like nothing has happened.

Im just goin to finish using the 2 bottles of this gel and hope for the best.

Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on March 02, 2006, 01:50:02 PM
Ok im now convinced this gel does not work.  Been two weeks and i have seen no results.  I guess it was all my imagination, but this is very disappointing.  $200 for this gel, and it hasen't done a thing.  If you were convinced to get this stuff, then i strongly reccamend you don't.   I don't know what to do now.

Thanks for paying attention to my thread, usuless thread.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: moto39 on March 02, 2006, 03:00:19 PM
Hey test, hang in there buddy, you tried and thats the important thing, people will read your thread and know not to buy it, you helped us all out even if it didn't work, and for that i say thank you.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: toughcrowd on March 02, 2006, 04:32:58 PM
Umm, you are barely halfway done with the treatment. Most of the success stories I've read they don't start seeing results until about this time day 11-15. Give it till the end of the treatment then judge it.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Hypo-is-here on March 03, 2006, 03:13:19 AM
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Ok im now convinced this gel does not work.  Been two weeks and i have seen no results.  I guess it was all my imagination, but this is very disappointing.  $200 for this gel, and it hasen't done a thing.  If you were convinced to get this stuff, then i strongly reccamend you don't.   I don't know what to do now.

Thanks for paying attention to my thread, usuless thread.



When will people understand?


Just because Andractim does not work for a given individual does not mean Andractim does not work.

It is not surgery we are talking about here, it is not as though the gland is being cut out.

75% of men see a reduction is breast tissue volume according to the controlled studies, 25% of which see a compleet resolution.  

This means total success in the controlled trials for 1-4 men.  It also means that 25% of men see no reduction at all.

It is looking like you are 1 of the 25% of men that does not see any reduction.

But saying it does not work at all because it doesn't work in you is as daft as telling you that you are wrong and that it does work for you because it works in someone else.

Facts is it works in 1-4 men if you are talking complete resolution.

NOTE:

That 1-4 statistic is also based upon men with clinically defined gynecomastia.  There is no doubt there will be some guys coming through this site and self medicating you have BDD who will then say, "it didn't work", so on this site the statistic will probably be less than 1-4 if you count the negative/success stories.

Lastly that statistic is based on Andractims use in a medical setting, not self medicating.  

It is clear that it is most likely to help men who have a hormonal cause for their gynecomastia or at least a low normal level of testosterone or dihydrotstetosterone or elevated estradiol or a combination of those three.


This is not as simple as taking the garbage out guys!










Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: toughcrowd on March 03, 2006, 11:10:14 AM
Hey Hypo, sorry if you've already answered this but should I apply it just on the nipple or the nipple and the surrounding skin as well. Thanks.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: SC GameCOCKS on March 03, 2006, 11:25:04 AM
Quote



When will people understand?


Just because Andractim does not work for a given individual does not mean Andractim does not work.

It is not surgery we are talking about here, it is not as though the gland is being cut out.

75% of men see a reduction is breast tissue volume according to the controlled studies, 25% of which see a compleet resolution.  

This means total success in the controlled trials for 1-4 men.  It also means that 25% of men see no reduction at all.

It is looking like you are 1 of the 25% of men that does not see any reduction.

But saying it does not work at all because it doesn't work in you is as daft as telling you that you are wrong and that it does work for you because it works in someone else.

Facts is it works in 1-4 men if you are talking complete resolution.

NOTE:

That 1-4 statistic is also based upon men with clinically defined gynecomastia.  There is no doubt there will be some guys coming through this site and self medicating you have BDD who will then say, "it didn't work", so on this site the statistic will probably be less than 1-4 if you count the negative/success stories.

Lastly that statistic is based on Andractims use in a medical setting, not self medicating.  

It is clear that it is most likely to help men who have a hormonal cause for their gynecomastia or at least a low normal level of testosterone or dihydrotstetosterone or elevated estradiol or a combination of those three.


This is not as simple as taking the garbage out guys!













1 in 4 chance is NOT worth $200 if you ask me  :-/
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: toughcrowd on March 03, 2006, 11:46:59 AM
That's 1 in 4 of complete resolution. There is a 75% for at least reduction, based on that one study anyway. Personally, 200 bucks isn't that much for the chance to avoid surgery, possibly multiple surgeries costing thousands of dollars, healing time, and risks that go with surgery. I'll be happy if it just reduces the gyne until I  can get the surgery. And if it doesn't work for me I definitely won't whine about it. I'll post before and after photos if it works for me.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: Sir_Puffs-a-lot on March 03, 2006, 01:47:46 PM
Hypo you're right bro! I don't know if you guys have read the other posts, but ANDRACTIM IS NOT GUARANTEED TO WORK FOR EVERYONE; IT IS NOT A MIRACLE CREAM. However, I am living proof that it works at least to some degree. About half my gland is gone now, and there is a significant physical difference in appearance. I've been on it for 4 weeks now, but I didn't see any real noticeable results until about A WEEK AGO. Since then its been rapid. Testing_Andractim, you shouldn't give up so quick. No, it probably won't COMPLETELY resolve the problem, but there's a 3 in 4 chance if you stick with it that you will see some results; that with working out will make a huge difference. - J.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on March 03, 2006, 04:20:45 PM
I agree, keep with it. I think i'm on my third day now. It will be worth the 200 easily if it even reduces it.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on March 03, 2006, 08:19:42 PM
Man, if anything, this gel seemed to make my nipples more puffy.  I guess my imagination was playing tricks on me but man they're bigger than before i started.  I still got 1.5 tubes left, and i guess ill just finish the stuff off.

It does look like my nipples have gotten puffier, however.  I just have puffy nipples, im not one of the seirous cases where it looks liek i have boobs.  I just have puffy nipples.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on March 03, 2006, 08:20:51 PM
Sir_puffs, i think you convinced me to stay on it a little longer.  3-4 weeks is a while, and i'm not even close to that yet.  I'll just give it a shot, i mean it was $200.  I will keep up with daily posts.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Hypo-is-here on March 04, 2006, 09:32:38 AM
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Hey Hypo, sorry if you've already answered this but should I apply it just on the nipple or the nipple and the surrounding skin as well. Thanks.


It is supposed to be applied in the morning in line with circadian hormonal rhythm to the chest area on dry skin in the stated dose for the stated duration.

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1 in 4 chance is NOT worth $200 if you ask me  :-/


You’re entitled to act on that opinion.  I would prefer it if other people did not take it without prescription from an endocrinologist.

I suspect neither of us will be listened to particularly in our respective statements here.

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Sir_puffs, i think you convinced me to stay on it a little longer.  3-4 weeks is a while, and i'm not even close to that yet.  I'll just give it a shot, i mean it was $200.  I will keep up with daily posts.


Odd endocrinologist tend to use it for 3-6 months….oh well.



Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on March 04, 2006, 09:57:37 AM
Thats funny that you say that test because I am experiencing the same thing. My nipples seem to be more puffy now. Maybe it is just a stage?

Hopefully it will go away...
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: Sir_Puffs-a-lot on March 04, 2006, 10:21:06 AM
 Yo Hypo! Got a question for ya buddy: I was wondering, what are my best chances of avoiding a recurrance of the tissue I've lost? I've already had two different hormonal tests, both of which confirm I have a normal hormonal balance. Just thought you might have some tips for me; should I order a third tube, even if it doesn't reduce any more, just to make sure it doesn't come back? I remember you said yours came back. Thanks! - J.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Hypo-is-here on March 04, 2006, 01:16:32 PM
It is based on many factors the main one being your hormonal/endocrine balance.

Like I said in my other mail, i'd be happy to look at your results if you wish and you a patients/laymans view if you wish.

Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on March 05, 2006, 05:39:16 AM
Day 16:

Just reapplied gel.  When i rub the gel in it seems to me that the gland (hard disk thing) on my left side is smaller than the one on the right.  And now that i think about it, the right nipple is usually puffier.  I'm pretty sure that before i started Andractim that they were the same size so maybe this is some progress.

Sir_puffs, keep us posted with your progress as well.  Seeing other people with success with this gel is very motivating, espically after 3-4 weeks of use, because i am not quite there yet.  Keep us updated.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on March 06, 2006, 10:11:44 AM
The rubbing in method does seem to work.  The gland underneath my nipple seems softer/mushier than before and i've only rubbed it in real well for 1 day!  Maybe this is the trick.  

Next daily update will be tonite.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on March 06, 2006, 03:09:23 PM
test, are you applying the cream more than once a day? right now i am only doing it in the morning, are you doing it morning and night? should i do this? let m eknow.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on March 06, 2006, 03:24:38 PM
No, just apply 1 spatula once a day to each nipples.  If you're going to up the dosage i would talk to your doctor first.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on March 06, 2006, 03:47:42 PM
Day 17:

I can really get a feel for the gland when i rub the gel in thoroughly.  I actually stick out my chest and arch my back a little to make sure that i'm rubbing it straight into the gland.  Hope this method of massaging the gel into the skin works!  Peace.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: d1st on March 06, 2006, 08:25:56 PM
I am going to order 2 tubes as well, i hate this problem with a passion and i hate taking my shirt off with my gf because im so lean and i go to the gym yet i cannot fix this problem i feel the hard gland and i just get angry with it, hopefully this works or reduces it , or atleast makes it hard for an hour so i can have sex in peace , haha it just makes me insecure
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on March 07, 2006, 11:43:03 AM
Yea d1st, i felt the same way man.  I got to the point where i was willing to try anything to get rid of this embarrassment.  I wish you luck with andractim.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on March 07, 2006, 12:01:29 PM
well ive been on it for a few days now, i think almost a week. my nipz feel maybe a little softer, could be my imagination but there still puffy. im hoping it will go down with time  ???

thanks for te udpates
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on March 07, 2006, 01:43:53 PM
Test, are you rubbing in the cream with your fingers or the spatual? I have been using just the spatula not my fingers. What you think?
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on March 07, 2006, 04:58:04 PM
Day 18:

Blah blah.  Nothing new.  Nipples are sensative, but probably because nipple skin itself is sensative to excessive rubbing.  Probably just aggervating from the thourough massaging i've been doing with this gel.  Can't tell yet, still kinda early though.  Peace.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on March 08, 2006, 04:37:03 PM
Day 19:

I can actually feel the soreness in the gland underneath my nipple.  When i was rubbing in the gel, they were a little more sensative than usual.  We'll see.  Peace.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: d1st on March 12, 2006, 04:06:24 PM
keep posting about results
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on March 13, 2006, 11:04:16 AM
Sorry, been out of town for couple of days.  Lets just say its Day 22:

Nothing special.  The results vary from soreness to nothing at all.  We'll see, still got a whole other tube.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: d1st on March 13, 2006, 02:13:22 PM
hasnt been really helping or what?
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on March 13, 2006, 06:34:15 PM
I can't really tell it's so off and on.  

Day 23:  

Can't tell if this gel is really guna work or not.  I AM, however, going to finish both tubes.  Ill still update..

Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on March 14, 2006, 11:02:59 AM
yea keep with it, im on l ike day 11, nothing yet that i can noticce either
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on March 21, 2006, 04:50:32 AM
Test, where did you go? You dissapeared?

Any updates?
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: bogieman on March 21, 2006, 03:41:50 PM
do you guys honestly think that this stuff works? Id like to see the results of the 1 in 4 person-
if for 200 you could rid yourself of something that cost 5500 to get rid of- the world would flock to it
i have this island id like to sell you....
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: Sir_Puffs-a-lot on March 21, 2006, 06:54:35 PM
You know, you can actually buy islands...look dude, you obviously haven't seen what I've posted before, so I'll say it again:  Andractim usually WILL NOT completely resolve the problem. Obviously if you have a wicked case of gyne, it won't get rid of HUGE amounts of gland and fat. However, if you have a mild case, say puffed out nipples, there's a 75% chance it will reduce the size of your puffed out nipples to some degree. TRUST ME, I know, I'm living proof. We're all looking for solutions, and NO, not all solutions work for everybody. Do I want you to buy it? No. In fact, your money would be better spent elsewhere unless you're willing to try a semi-expensive, not guaranteed possibility to slightly and not completely reducing a mild case of gyne. That's all, there's nothing rediculously miraculous about the creme, but that's not what we're looking for. Hope that clarifies things. Take care, - J.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Zippy211 on April 03, 2006, 09:04:41 AM
Where did Testing_Andractim go?

Did he leave once everyone bought the cream?

Makes me go back to thinking he works @ that all saints clinic place..

ANY UPDATES??!
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: wolfman on April 03, 2006, 11:38:17 AM
i have a planet in the univers to sell if u buy it the gyn would go away ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)


dont buy that shit it doesnt work save your mony for surgery THAT WORKS
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: toughcrowd on April 03, 2006, 02:20:22 PM
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i have a planet in the univers to sell if u buy it the gyn would go away ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)


dont buy that shit it doesnt work save your mony for surgery THAT WORKS


Haha. You are a nut. So the fact that it works for some people doesn't matter cause you say so? How do you know "that shit doesn't work" again? I'm half way through the treatment and I can say it works in reducing the gland tissue. Worth every penny so far. I'll end up getting the surgery probably but this will make my life a lot easier until then.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on April 04, 2006, 02:04:28 PM
Guys, half way done with the 2nd tube and it hasnt shown any results so far.  I'm pretty disappointed, but oh well. Sir_puffs i hope everything goes well with Andractim for you.  Good luck with you gyne.  As for me, i guess i'll look into surgery.  thanks for keepin up with me guys.
Title: Andactrim
Post by: FormerPropeciaUser on April 05, 2006, 04:14:28 PM
Whats everyone.

Thought I'll share my experiences.

I have proabably a moderate case of gyno. My "breasts" are about 1/2 inch high, 2  inches wide. Or maybe thats a serious case, I dont know.

I'm 30 years old, got it cause of Propecia...havent used Propecia for over a year now, but gyno has not gone away. As a side bar, I'd like to sue Merck.

9 days ago, I started using Andactrim. So far...I'm not sure...I think its improved one time, then I look again and I think, no improvement. I'm pretty certain that the affected area has gotten softer - perhaps the tissue is breaking down a bit, but not sure yet. Will keep everyone posted.

If you have any thoughts for me, let me know.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: Sir_Puffs-a-lot on April 05, 2006, 05:51:11 PM
OK, time for some authority here...wolfman, I respect your platinum membership, but I'm not sure if you deserve it. It's pretty obvious you don't read most of what's on this board...you guys are all the same, "DON'T BYE INTA' THIS STOOPID (EXCREMENT)! I ALMOST GRADIATED FRUM HIGH SCHOOL, AND THAT MAKES ME AN EXPURT ON THINGS I KNOW ABSOTIVELEY NOTHING ABOUT! U SHOULD SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLERS AN' GO UNDER THAT OL' KNIFE, EVEN IF YA ONLY HAVA MILD CASE OF GYN, YEAH!" Yeah, I'm convinced. Tell you what, you should be an army recruiter. Just don't recruit near any spelling bees. Testing_, sorry to hear it didn't work out for you, I know how you had high hopes bro; I know everyone here is thankful you added to the ongoing tests we have with these experimental treatments. So you're probably wondering what happened to me?...I'm done with the second tube now, and WILL NOT be ordering a third. I know I said I would, but honestly since then I've almost forgotten about my gyne. SERIOUSLY. The results I've seen (and if you aren't aware of my thread, see the *Andractim Results!* one, it'll be a few pages back) and my recent workout frenzy have made me forget it's even there. In case you still won't read my thread, the 'results' are that I've lost over half the gland that was there, and by working out I've managed to flatten the nipple out some. The best encouragement I've had though was when we had a cookout at our apartment pool the other day. About HALF the guys there had puffy nipples, some worse, some better than mine. It was at that moment that I realized how stupid I was. Bottom line, I really just don't care anymore. I'm over it. Keep in mind though, I did  start out with a mild case of gyne, nothing near severe, and ACTUALLY WORKED to improve the situation to the point where I was happy with it. I am IN NO WAY knocking on any of the people on this board by saying this is a stupid condition. Most people here probably have a worst case than me; our condition is a REAL psychological nuisance. I'm simply telling my story. To FormerPropecia...if you'll read my thread, you'll see that it didn't even start working for me until about 3 to 4 weeks. Stick with it, and be meticulous, then after about a month you can decide if it's working. To FBI, yes, it IS possible the gland softening could be due to the massaging, but I doubt it. Most of the other threads on Andractim don't mention massaging to the extent that I did, and they still reported gland softening; I think it's just an indication that the gel is doing what it's supposed to. ONE LAST THING, I promise...it's clear some of you STILL aren't aware of what Andractim does, so let me clarify:  IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK FOR GOD SAKES. Let me reiterate ONCE AGAIN what medical research on Andractim has produced:  ONLY 1 in 4 gyne cases are completely resolved, and 3 in 4 cases show SOME improvement, no matter how small the extent. IT IS NOT A MIRACLE CREAM, FOR THE LAST TIME. If you have a MILD case of gyne, and are looking for solutions other than surgery, I would recommend what I have done:  at least trying Andractim, but most importantly, hitting the gym. That's it, I'M DONE. PEACE OUT. -J.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: downsbs on April 06, 2006, 07:17:13 AM
Buy Rebound XT, it works waaaaaayyy better than Andractim.  I have used both, I noticed softening of the gland in about three to four days with Rebound XT, I had no results from Andractim other than a decrease in my checking account.  The Rebound XT is about $30.00 per bottle, compared to $200.00 for the Andractim.  Take it for what it is worth, this is my personal experience.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day
Post by: Sir_Puffs-a-lot on April 06, 2006, 01:28:25 PM
Have you noticed any other results since?
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: GuckFyno on April 06, 2006, 04:43:01 PM
I got some results with rebound xt. Reduction not reversal. Andractim has been tested in clinical trials and so have tamoxifen/raloxifene and all have been shown to reduce gyne in a high percentage of young males. Surgery is not the ONLY option. It is obviously the best for correction but there are other options avaliable.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: dublin13 on April 07, 2006, 07:18:06 AM
Hey former Propecia user...how long were you on Fin?  I was on it for about 6 months and developed it.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: brm on April 07, 2006, 12:55:30 PM
hey formerpropeciauser, I got my gyno from avodart but never developped gyno while on propecia and proscar. One thing I'd like to tell you: my blood tests revealed a perfectly normal estradiol at the moment my gyno was growing. But my prolactin proved very high. Do you have any any idea of your estradiol and prolactin levels? has your gyno been confirmed as a high estrogen case?
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: FormerPropeciaUser on April 09, 2006, 09:41:49 AM
I used Propecia for 4 years. I am assuming it was caused by Propecia becuase its the only explanation. I also experienced sexual side effects from propecia so that checks out with in increased estrogen level.
I havent had any tests done to confirm that propecia is the cause; the one doctor I mentioend this too was basically telling me that there is no problem, it couldnt be caused by propecia, and that I should pump iron; i.e. he was clueless on the issue.

Day 12..My breasts are saggin a bit now. I cant say it looks better but its a good sign I think - means the breast tissue must be going away and the fat tissue is still there; like when and older womens boobs sag I guess.

Is there anything I need to do to make sure the fatty tissue does indeed get metabolized? I'm a bit concerned because - if you think about an old lady's saggy boobs: Its not like they go away if she excercises.

Thanks for your thoughts everyone...
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Hypo-is-here on April 09, 2006, 01:39:26 PM
The drugs that have been stated contain finasteride.  Finasteride reduces the potent male hormone Dihydrotestosterone- DHT.

Finasteride is used to chemically castrate men as a trearment for prostate cancer.

Reducing the aforementioned male androgen adversely affects the androgen to estrogen ratio and in doing this allows for the develop of gynecomastia.

So these drugs principle mechanism of action has little to do with estradiol or prolactin.

The reason neither of you guys would have found the cause of your issues via hormone assays is probably because you would not have had DHT tested.


Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: brm on April 09, 2006, 03:39:14 PM
Hi Hypo, nice to hear you again. Well, remember, I had had my DHT tested as well and it was indeed low from fin. Your hint (ratio and not individual values) seems fair, we know it. But it would then imply that this balance ratio must have a value that varies with individuals. Right. Why not, even if this value could then reach high ups and low downs for an equal state of balance from one individual to the other. But I still can't make out why many guys have a better libido while on DHT blockers. Yes, we could think the reason lies in their poor conversion from test to dhtest but dht seems to be an indispensable metabolite for a good sex drive.

BTW, i should have a new test result in some days (prolactin, DHT, estradiol) 3  months after quitting arimidex and parlodel.

Hey formerpropeciauser, how's your hair? What did you replace propecia with? Did you shed a lot after stopping?
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: FormerPropeciaUser on April 09, 2006, 03:45:52 PM
Actually, the hair situation aint bad. Am using minoxidil but have started phasing it out, and 1 year after stopping fin, I still got a lot of hair. I mean I shed quite a bit initially but still in general have a pretty full head of hair. So...basically I wish I had never used that crap in the first place.
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: Testing_Andractim on April 10, 2006, 08:04:58 AM
Yea i got my gyne from screwing around with steroids.  In the long run, it really just isn't worth it.
Title: FormerPropeciaUser
Post by: spaceace on April 12, 2006, 09:57:10 AM
FormerPropeciaUser,

Any noticeable results?

Any shedding?
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: FormerPropeciaUser on April 12, 2006, 12:27:03 PM
Spaceace,

Nope, no shedding. And there shouldnt be, logically. Your DHT would go up with andactrim, but DHT doesnt cause hair loss, it just helps communicate the hair loss instructions to the scalp.

After 15 days, I have noticable results. The nipples are pointing a bit downward now, and my chest is starting to look more normal. I'm doing a bit more cardio than normal to help make sure the fat burns off....Still the progress is slow. I think after 2 months, I'll have at best a 50% recovery. But I could live with that...

Will keep you posted.

Anup
Title: Andactrim: Disappointment
Post by: FormerPropeciaUser on May 05, 2006, 06:32:28 PM
Reality bites. Looks like, I'm going to be living with the situation. I may have had some benefits early on, but for the most part, my optimism was wishful thinking, due partially to the effect that it has immediately after you put it on (makes the nips hard).

After 7 weeks, I have less than a 10% improvement. I may use it for a few more days, but basically, game over now. And surgery, due to its risks, costs, and just the psychological factor, is not an option for me. So, thats it I guess, I'm a guy with breasts. This sux, I find myself for the first time in my life wishing I was old. If I was old, I wouldnt have to be embarrassed of a weird physique. bUt its tough being young and in southern california, and not having a good build. I find myslef nervous about the pool party that I am going ot tomorrow. Do I say "Screw it" and hop in the pool, or do I accept reality, and avoid it (i.e. let what other people are thinking control my behavior) ...I feel like such a chic!

Oh well...I tried, ....onto acceptance
Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: spaceace on May 06, 2006, 07:30:16 AM
Look, since you didn't have your pathology tested prior to treatment you don't know whether there are other factors contributing to your gyne.  I suggest you see an endocrinologist specializing in reproductive issues ASAP.  Tell your GP about your situation and how you self-medicated.  If they’re intelligent enough, they should get you in to see an endocrinologist immediately.  Telling your GP that you self-medicated will at least get them to have your pathology tested the immediately.  If they don't get you in to see an endo quickly find another GP that will.  When you see your endo, explain your situation and *especially* how you self medicated.  Otherwise your pathology will look abnormal if they weren't advised of the circumstances.  They should give you follow up blood tests to see that your hormone levels, that were affected by Andractim, return to the normal range.  At that point they will be able to determine if there are other hormonal factors that may have led to your condition and proceed with treatment, if necessary.  

If you want to be proactive, post your results here so that the most knowledgeable and credible people on the board can also guide you in the proper direction.

Title: Re: Possible Gyne Reduction Test!  Day-to-Day upd
Post by: spaceace on May 09, 2006, 03:49:43 PM
FormerPropeciaUser,

Have you made an appointment to see an endocrinologist?