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Title: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: CJC85 on April 10, 2013, 01:14:31 PM
hi guys, long time lurker and gyno sufferer. finally registered because on sunday 14th i am flying to berlin then minibus to poland to have gyno surgery!

im all paid up in full, everythings laid out in spare room ready to pack and its all starting to feel very real.

im 27, 5ft11 and 10stone 10. lean, visible abs but a very soft chest, with what feels like little worms of gland running up the outer edge and lower edge of my pec. will be interesting to see the ultra sounds. iv had gyno since puberty but was made worse with steroids. i managed to shrink it with letro slightly but decided to stop using PEDs and go natural. i actually havent trained for a few months because my chest causes me massive issues which im sure you will all understand. hence my low bodyweight and lack of any muscle lol i hope once im all healed ill have the confidence to get back in the gym and build myself back up but this time with a non pointy chest!

im quite busy in last few days, but i will updats from atrium hotel on tuesday wen i will be a few hours post op and let u know how i found the whole experience.

wish me luck

see you on the other side
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: wezzer on April 10, 2013, 06:32:23 PM
good luck mate, i hope it goes well for u!
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: CJC85 on April 15, 2013, 03:03:40 PM
Hey everyone, currently sitting in the recovery room. Just had my famous cheese & ham rolls lol

I will write a long winded 100% honest review when I'm back on my laptop at the hotel atrium.

Ill put exactly what I have liked and exactly what I've bin disappointed with so far!

Also any bit of knowledge I feel may help people going for this op in Poland as let's just say Jeremy's info is pretty short & sweet!

Chris
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: wezzer on April 16, 2013, 05:11:43 AM
Looking forward to your write up mate! Going in June so I'm grateful to read everyone's reviews of the experience!
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: CJC85 on April 16, 2013, 09:24:39 AM
Right everyone, its Tuesday 16th April, I’m sitting in Hotel Atrium in my bandages one day post op.
Here’s my diary which I hope helps everyone thinking of going ahead with surgery with dr Clark.
Sunday: 15:00, my mum dropped me to Gatwick airport, said goodbye, checked in to my easyjet flight and thru passport control. Flight was on time, boarded at 17:10 and left at 17:30. Nice quick and easy flight had a bacon baguette on board and litre of water as had to fast from when I landed for my blood tests. Landed just after 20:00 in berlin. Walked off plane, straight ahead and followed everyone to passport control and luggage reclaim. All very simple, its sign posted in German and English. After getting my bags I followed Jeremy Clarke’s vague directions of going out the main double doors and right for 50m to get on my interglobus taxi bus to Szczecin. There was a interglobus bus there but I wasn’t on the list as this was the 20:30 bus I had to sit on my case for 45mins for the 21:15 bus.  For anyone not too sure where to wait, it is directly outside TERMINAL B (cant miss it) there is 2 other bus stops one for holiday inn and one berlin express and it also says shuttle service. Theres no interglobus signs tho, but this is the place I promise. Finally got on my minibus, suitcase goes in the trailer, name checked on roster and off I went, only English person the rest polish. 2 long hours later we reached Szczecin, u get off at the interglobus shop. I didn’t know this, I asked the driver “who was taking me to hotel atrium?” and he pointed to a taxi waiting for me. I had to sign a little bit of paper so I didn’t have to pay the taxi  (Jeremy pre paid)and he dropped me to the hotel atrium door.  Arrived just before midnight, lovely hotel tho. Deserves 4 stars. Off I went to sleep with my alarm set for 7:30am. (remember clocks go forward an hour)

Monday: 7am I received a call from reception telling me that TOMAS would be waiting for me at 9am at reception. I slowly waked up, had a bath and trotted down to reception. There I met tomas and aaron. Aaron was another uk lad here for gyno too! Tomas drove us to the blood test clinic and we had our blood tests, we didn’t skip the queue had to wait 10mins behind everyone else. Me & aaron chatted, got on really well. Next Tomas dropped us back to the atrium, we thought wed be going for ultrasound but he informed us hed be back for us at 14:20. We had some breakfast, I had a sausage sandwhich and some fruit and juice. Then we had to check out our rooms and put our luggage in hold. Remember you only pay for the nights you stay there (one night is at --) so you cant leave ur stuff in ur room. So at about 10am with 4 hours to kill we wandered round town, actually pleasantly surprised, really nice, found all the shopping malls and had a good chat. Got back to Atrium at about 12, we couldn’t eat or drink and had 2hours to kill sitting in the lobby of the hotel! Those were a long couple hours, lucky we had each other to crack jokes about getting cut open in a few hours lol

14.20 and tomas arrives, take all our belongings as wel be going straight to -- after ultrasound. After driving like lewis Hamilton drunk, we got to ultrasound. We had to wait half hour standing in a dingy medical place to then go in a room for 2mins and have our ultrasounds. I asked the nurse what my ultrasound said as it was written in polish and she didn’t speak a word of English so I didn’t have a clue what is said and tomas could only communicate English. Me and aaron nervously joked wtf are we doing. So far not too impressed. Also very thirsty by now.

15:00 THE OP!  tomas drove us to a modern development at which one end was --, he tried to ask us for 30zloty but we queried saying we thought as an agent of -- this shud be included. Any way into centre we went, dr clark buzzed us in and into an incredibly clean looking modern centre we walked! Tomas asked her about money and she gave him some and sent him on his way. It was so nice to finally meet her, she speaks perfect English and puts you at ease. We both went into her office, she thoroughly explained the operation, drawing pictures, talking thru all the possible bad side effects and went thru our paper work.looked at our blood tests and ultrasounds and Then she said who wants to go first, aaron being the nice guy he is allowed me. I took off my shirt and showed her my gyno, telling her everything I hate about it, she commented how lean I was and said don’t worry I will fix this. I changed into a gown went to the loo and then was led to the theatre. A couple of nurses were present and the anaesthetist. She said I had great veins and is very happy for me making her job easy lol. All I remember is her telling me she will give me something to relax and then anaesthetic when dr clark is ready.she put the line in my arm and Then its all blank! Next thing I awoke to bandages being wrapped around me and transported in to my “bedroom” on a wheel chair. I asked aaron have I even had the op lol? It seemed so quick I thought they just diddled me out of money and didn’t do anything lol

I felt no pain, I was a little bit drowsy but feelin pretty good. The nurse came in put on a blood pressure monitor and finger heart rate thingy and I had a nap for an hour whilst aaron had his op. he came back an hour later, much more groggy than me, he also had drains in. the nurse gave us pain killers and antibiotics, throughout the night she check our blood pressure and vitals. She also gave us the famous ham and cheese rolls  cup of tea and a bottle of yougurt drink for dinner. She helps you go to the loo, I was fine on my feet but aaron needed a little extra support getting up etc. Dr clark will go home around 21:00 and say goodbye see u tomorrow. The nurse was lovely BUT speaks NO English, all she said wen touching our chest was “pain?” so u have to be a bit flamboyant explaining can I go to the loo, can u tighten my vest etc. I had great fun asking for the wifi password so I could fanny about on my phone! Me n aaron had a laugh, he kept falling asleep but I didn’t get to sleep until 3am..the vest gave me a back ache where it dig in. and this is the worst part, the beds are not in the slightest bit comfortable. I don’t think they are hospital standard beds, wen propped up for dinner she used a random rolled up sleeping bag etc. and the bed room is more a spare room with a sink an tv on the wall. Which we never used. If this was sorted i.e proper beds and room then the clinic would be perfect. Howeveerr I want to help to prepare you all for the reality.

Tuesday: I woke up today at 8am, me and aaron chatted for a bit, commented on the shit beds and how uncomfy we was. We felt a bit down, slightly disspaointed so far by the waiting, lack of communication from Jeremy and the fact we had paid for this service and felt a little unimportant. The nurse soon came in around 9 with breakfast, what was it I here u ask……ham and cheese sandwhiches with a yogurt drink and cup of tea of course! Ha. At 10am a knock on the door came and it was Jeremy clark! We didn’t expect to see him, wernt even sure if he was real. Lol he is slightly odd…bald chap, can tell his a university lecturer. Now he asked how we were, whether we knew about massage, exercise advice etc. all fine, but then he told aaron he must pay and extra 250 for lipo, aaron didn’t think he needed it pre op so this was an extra cost. It would have been fine but Jeremy kept this conversation going for several minutes stating its very important its wired over today. It all felt a little rude, but we said our goodbyes and I guess it is a business afterall. Att 11 dr clark returned, she has something about u, makes you feel good, she took as one at a time to see our chest….HOLY SH*T any bad thoughts about waiting etc went immediately I had a flat chest! NO GYNO I thanked her so much, she showed  the gland pics, I had long worm like glands about 6cm long and a little stubborn fat lipod. I returned to the bedroom so aaron could go in kind of in a daze. I hadn’t been so happy since I was a kid. Aaron had his drains removed, saw his results and came back to the room and we just smiled then gave each other a high five. Lol. Said wed come along way in just over a day and it was all worth it in the end.

Dr clark came back , gave us our prescriptions,  for antibiotics, pain killers and jellonets. (they cover ur nipple). We had a good chat wither for 20mins bout random stuff, here family, Poland etc shes honestly a lovely women. She explained how she does around 150 gyno ops a year and just makes you feel so confident in her skills. We said goodbye and arranged to come back at 11 on wednesady to have bandages removed and given the compression vests and showed massage etc. the chemist was a couple doors down, it came to about 82 zloty. About 15quid. She had arranged us a taxi which got us from the chemist and back to the atrium. It was tomas. And this time we had to pay him 20 zloty grrrr. We checked back into the hotel, I was given my same room which really us pretty luxury, can fault it one bit and its so clean. The receptionists are also ridiculously hot! But also a little grumpy. We popped down the road for lunch, got a chicken wrap with lots of salad. Both gone back to our rooms to rest up today, gna order room service for tea, probly chicken salad or sumin light. Gna hit the cinema tomorrow after our apt with dr clark  and a nice shower! Maybe a bar on thurs night depending on how we feel. Cant stand not showering for a day.

Right now im in a very good place, I obviously came alone, but meeting aaron I gta admit had made this process ten thousand times easier, openly discussing our gyno, laughing abiut not being able to understand anyone and what the hell are we thinking coming to a foreign country for surgery! All helps take the edge of the nerves. Iv seen a couple of you want to come out here at the same time and my advice would be do it. I was expecting to be sitting in my room alone bored out my mind. But knowing you can pop out for a few hours with a mate is very refreshing.

Any questions you have please feel free to ask. I want to help as many people as possible who are nervous or thinking about surgery. If dr clark was in Harley street shed cost a fortune, the fact is her surgical skills are second t none. The only compromise is the fact you have a service of blood tests, ultrasound and waititng around that you would not receive in the uk etc I would definitely recommend her to anyone.

Sorry for the essay guys, hope it helps. Im off to kip for a bit

chris
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: CJC85 on April 16, 2013, 03:52:58 PM
Last update today: so Tuesday afternoon was gna kip bit after my essay I wrote u all earlier, I watched a couple peep shows on my laptop and then was bored! Aaron text me from his room saying bored shitless and I instantly replied let's do Sumin. We walked back into town, taking the long route, ending back up in the galaxy shopping centre. It's proper clean has EVerything u have back home, mc ds, KFC, Nike shop, h & m etc and so many fine polish girls lol the body's are amazing. Anyway we just walked around chatting crap and went in the supermarket on top floor. They sell everything, so much more choice than the uk. There's everything from mopeds, tyres to toys DVDs and all food items u can imagine. After walking bk to hotel we'd passed a couple hours was about 7 & arranges to meet just before 8 for dinner.

We ate in the atrium restaurant, u get 20% off as a guest. I had the pepperoni pizza..I'm not lying its home made and probably one if the greatest pizzas iv had ever! I will be having the same tommorow & Thursday :)
Out bill combined of two meals and 2cokes each came to 62zloty about 12quid. 6quid each! Bargain. Then we had a cup of tea on the balcony and chatted bout our mrs back home and my daughter etc. weirdly when u have a cup of tea over here you'll have to go and ask for milk..and they think ur crazy! But surely no milk means they are the crazy ones ha.

Said laters to Aaron, up I'm my room watching couple more peep shows and then gna take my last painkiller for the day & hopefully get my first good sleep in a few days.

Update soon
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Post by: Supersonic123 on April 16, 2013, 08:21:13 PM
Thank you very much for the report! Any pictures?
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Post by: difsnbo on April 16, 2013, 09:54:19 PM
CJC85-congratulations on your surgery...hope everything heals up well for you. Sounds like you've been through the worst part. Now its just a matter of time before things are settled and you can be comfortable with your body.
 
 I've been a "lurker" here as well for a few months and got the courage to finally do something about my gyno this year. I'm scheduled for the procedure (at the same clinic) on Wednesday April 24th and am getting a little nervous and excited at the same time...its so surreal. I am in my early 40's and have been dealing with it for almost 25 years (since my late teens.) Its been a long hard road and after much deliberation and angst I decided to do it, once and for all...life is too short. Thanks for your post (as well as all the others) as it has given me hope.

Just wanted to find out if you recommend packing anything unique for the post-procedure days...clothing,toiletries,etc.? The weather is temperate? I am anticipating cold nights and cool days. And, if you don't mind me asking, what is the antibiotic's name that they prescribed? Thanks.
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Post by: CJC85 on April 17, 2013, 02:32:47 AM
Thank you very much for the report! Any pictures?

Not yet mate, just woke up on Wednesday morn. Fantastic nights sleep. Atrium bed is more comfy than mine at home. Bandages of today. Dr Clark showed me pics of the removed gland which was awesome. 5cm long and 6cm long but both thin like worms like I thought! Will get some some afters after I can shower & get the markings off my body etc
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Post by: CJC85 on April 17, 2013, 02:49:15 AM
CJC85-congratulations on your surgery...hope everything heals up well for you. Sounds like you've been through the worst part. Now its just a matter of time before things are settled and you can be comfortable with your body.
 
 I've been a "lurker" here as well for a few months and got the courage to finally do something about my gyno this year. I'm scheduled for the procedure (at the same clinic) on Wednesday April 24th and am getting a little nervous and excited at the same time...its so surreal. I am in my early 40's and have been dealing with it for almost 25 years (since my late teens.) Its been a long hard road and after much deliberation and angst I decided to do it, once and for all...life is too short. Thanks for your post (as well as all the others) as it has given me hope.

Just wanted to find out if you recommend packing anything unique for the post-procedure days...clothing,toiletries,etc.? The weather is temperate? I am anticipating cold nights and cool days. And, if you don't mind me asking, what is the antibiotic's name that they prescribed? Thanks.

First of all mate, don't be nervous. It will be fine. Iv had mine for 10years so u having it over 20 honestly don't waste another second worry about it. You'll soon be on the other side.

Some little extras to put ur mind at rest following our chat with dr Clark.

She used to take patients to bloods & ultrasound, then as she got more business Jeremy did, now they are so busy as Jeremy has a job as a lecturer too that Tomas does the driving. So expect him to pick u up. Also ur bloods and ultra sound may not be directly after one another, like me. It just depends on the times Jeremy manages to book.

The weather is very similar to what's happening in uk, it was perfect yesterday. Bright not too hot not too cold. Just have a look in the weather forecast on web for Szczecin just before you leave. I travelled out in jeans but have been in tracks, t shirt (one size up to cover bandages) and zip up jacket.

Being a plug converter 2pin thingy! So u can charge ur phone and other electrical items. The tv has 36 channels only 1 is bbc news. Rest are polish so if comin alone bring entertainment, films on laptop etc. there is a USB on tv that I tried plugging my harddrive to watch my programmes, but the hotel has set the TVs so u can't change the input method, it's stuck on tv channels so I have to plug it in my laptop to watch films.

Definitely venture out if u feel up to it, the town is beautiful & the people very friendly and helpful with the little English they speak. Even if u grab a cab to the galaxy shopping centre. I brand the basics toiletries but as I said the supermarket in galaxy has everything, every brand u know back home and more. So don't panic if u forget anything. And it would be physically impossible to starve, food is everywhere, from men I'm hits selling whole chickens, to lovely little bakeries and standard take away shops from bk home. I think I'm the food quarter it has mc d, KFC, Pizza Hut, Burger King, Chinese, kebab and ice cream vendors all over the galaxy shopping centre. Looks insanely nice but haven't tried it yet.

The prescription is a antibiotic taken twice daily, morn & night called AUGMENTIN & a Sachet drink painkiller taken 3 times a day morning afternoon & night called NIMESIL.

Hope this hopes mate. Honestly you'll be fine
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Post by: difsnbo on April 17, 2013, 05:46:28 AM
Thanks CJC85. Exactly one week away for me...it will be an interesting experience to say the least.
 Not having traveled to Eastern Europe (true, Poland doesn't always see themselves as completely of the Eastern Europe mindset), I just wanted to make sure things are reasonably accessible and convenient. From your posts, this seems the case. I have heard about the attractiveness of Polish women... ;) At least that's something I can look forward to, in addition to losing some fat and glands...  :) Hope your recovery goes smoothly and painlessly. Cheers.
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Post by: CJC85 on April 17, 2013, 06:10:57 AM
Thanks CJC85. Exactly one week away for me...it will be an interesting experience to say the least.
 Not having traveled to Eastern Europe (true, Poland doesn't always see themselves as completely of the Eastern Europe mindset), I just wanted to make sure things are reasonably accessible and convenient. From your posts, this seems the case. I have heard about the attractiveness of Polish women... ;) At least that's something I can look forward to, in addition to losing some fat and glands...  :) Hope your recovery goes smoothly and painlessly. Cheers.

not a problem mate, i too was aprehensive. but now knowimg what i know id be very much more relaxed knowing what i know. i had visions of some sparse cold war little village in the middle of nowhere when the reality is its a busy modern town
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Post by: CJC85 on April 17, 2013, 06:38:45 AM
right then, so wednesday morning went to breakfast at 9 with aaron, the breakfast menu at the atrium is very european. lots of deli meats, fried sausage, egg, cheeses. as well as yougurt and muesli, cornflakes. i had a roll with some sausage and onion stuffed in it, a huge apple and cup of tea. went back up to my room for a bit, feeling a bit rank as hadnt showered since early monday morning, i think bringing anti bac wipes for face and under pits is a real life saver. plus a decent deoderant and after shave ;)

we asked the hotel to get us a taxi to -- at 10:40, he promptly arrived and took us there. he spoke no english at all but we kind of had a conversation about petrol prices lol him speaking in polish us in english but i think we got across the idea thet the uk is very expensive. anyways arrived at --, buzzed in by the same nurse we had and sat and waited in the lobby. i took some pics which i can upload of the clinic if anyones interested. there was a polish lady in the "bedroom" who had eyelied surgery, when DR clark arrived at 11am she dealt with her before discharging her and seeing to us.

i let aaron go first, he seems to be in more discomfort than me, i help open hes loft window and blind in the hotel room because hes movement is more restricted than mine, due to his more severe case plus the need for drains etc. aaron went in and she was happy enough, he had one side that was more severe than the other and he has a small blister on the nipple. she said this is due to lack of bloodsupply for a couple days where the various vessels were cut. she assured him tho that this supply will regrow and all is well, very little fluid retention etc. she then explained massage, shower etc (ill cover this in a second)

aaron then explained that tomas charged us alot more for the taxi home yesterday than the other taxis have charged us, she rang him and he said he hadnt, she said we were naughty for trying to say this!? ermm y would we lie? i was overly nice and told her not to worry about it, a couple of quid in the grand scheme of things isnt worth worry about, but she seemed a little offish now with us. it was a bit weird tbh. she explained shes a perfectionist and this had never happened before (queries with taxi drivers etc) think she said she mite wash her hands of organising taxis and just let the patient organise transfer. which would be fine but jeremy needs to make this more clear in his contact.

right next i went in, off came my bandage vest thingy, nipple look perfect and no swelling or pain. she said my body is very robust as i have no swelling, i had very little bleeding after surgery, whereas aaron is more delicate. evrybody had different healing powers. she showed me how to apply the jelonets to the nipple and re do my bandage, she gave me some jellonets but i had realised she said to disinfect the nipple before appllying the jelonet, i didnt have any disenfectent alchhol with me obviously and if i wouldnt have asked her to write down the name of it so i could go to the chemist i dont think she would of. so be aware of this, any questions you must ASK.

she then explaiuned masssage which was probably 30seconds of her showing me on her own arm. this felt rushed which i know has been mentioned before. however i knew ths before i came and have done plenty of research on it so would advise you read everyones post massage advice and build a clearer picture in you head so she just has to top up this information.

right so we were both discharged today, im very happy with this as im healing perfectly. AAron was a little less happy as the blister thing on his nipple, and the rushed information about massage wasnt the greatest. he also queried that were we going to get a compression vest? it was from our understanding a compression vest that you put on like a waist coat and do up from the front was provided. however due to lack of communication on jeremeys part it seems the bandage that you wrap around and tighten with the velcro is the compression garment supplied by the clinic. we were advised to wear this for 12days until we have the stitiches removed at home. and then switch to the macom vest you buy on line from macom medical for another 2-4 weeks. i have already got this vest (one size smaller than you normally wear) but aaron needs to order it. this bandage is not the mose comfy thing in the world as it digs into the stomach and back, knowing this i would have put my macom vest in the case with me and started wearing that today.

right we said our goodbyes, thanked her for her handy work, as despite any crossed wires over taxis, vests etc we were both over the moon with her surgery skills.we did not have to go back tomorrow however she said any problems dont hesitate to call her and if we we worried she could see us at 14:45 on thursday but assured us we were both healing well. we walked a couple doors down to the chemist, we had to get some bandages, and the disinfectent i asked her to write down. WODE ULLAUBUE 3% 150ml (hard to read her writing). this came to 20zlotys each. we then had to get the chemist to ring us a taxi back to the hotel atrium. this cost 13zlotys.

so here i am back in my room, just gna have my shower and freshen up. the exact process for showering is

shower- dry off- apply ointment all over chest and allow to sink in for 10mins (this was on the first prsecription with the painkillers and anti bitotics) after this disinfect nipple area with the stuff i asked for. apply a jellonet to nipple, cover with a bandage and then tightly wrap the compression garment/bandage around and fasten with the velcro.

sorry for crappy punctutation, i flick between using my phone and laptop and just wanna get al the info down while its in my head so i dont forget and therefore rush a little bit. going cinema later so post any questions and ill try to answer them before i go to bed later.
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: puffynipplesdrivemecrazy on April 17, 2013, 02:29:44 PM
I cannot express how much I have found your write up helpful. Please keep updating as I am hoping to start the ball rolling for August as these puffy nipples of mine are seriously getting me down.

I see that you didnt have any drains? Also did you have any lipo? Im really worried about drain scars and lipo but less than the gyno. I suppose we cant be picky!

It would be great to see some pics and how much in total you think you spent.

Update: Sorry even more questions!! Did she do the nipple twist I have read about and when do you plan to start massaging?
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: CJC85 on April 17, 2013, 02:37:42 PM
I cannot express how much I have found your write up helpful. Please keep updating as I am hoping to start the ball rolling for August as these puffy nipples of mine are seriously getting me down.

I see that you didnt have any drains? Also did you have any lipo? Im really worried about drain scars and lipo but less than the gyno. I suppose we cant be picky!

It would be great to see some pics and how much in total you think you spent.

That's great mate, currently sitting in my atrium room chilling watching the office on my laptop. I wanted this to be 100% honest, to hopefully give people a very realistic expectation of what to expect.

Nope no drains for me. Just due to the fact that I bled very little internally when she operated. Aaron however did have drains. We both had full gland removal and lipo on the stubborn fat. Scar wise I have the very neat cut under my nipple and a tiny dot with one stitch just under pec towards the midline. This is from the lipo. Absolutely minuscule. Don't even contemplate it scarring. Aaron has exactly the same but two further dots with a stitch in our side edge of each pec from the drains. Again nothing to worry about scar wise. We walked around town today and went to the cinema. Snapped lots of pics on my iPhone. Of everything from my chest to the food court at the galaxy shopping centre.

Got lots of the atrium hotel as well if anyone's staying here. Really recommended. Although I haven't seen the ibis which may be just as good
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: CJC85 on April 17, 2013, 02:52:04 PM
So Wednesday after my shower! Feeling nice and clean we headed into town about 13:30. Wandered around discussing our visit to dr Clark this morn. Again can't praise her handy work enough, just had a few "weird" moments with taxis etc. we both came to a agreement to, when u email u will find Jeremy is very slow to reply most the time. Sometimes he's directions, instructions, explanations are very short and vague. He's a busy man understandably but we think if he spent a few hours putting together a few pages that cover every detail of what to expect in ur trip with detailed explanations, break downs. He would only have to do this once and then could simply attach it in an email to cover everyone's questions. But hopefully my diary will help set a few things straight.

Anyway we went to the galaxy and had 2scoops ice cream...O my god...u like ben & jerrys this stuff makes it look like value brand tasteless goo. Best ice cream ever end of. (Had the cookie flavour). Ill upload pics of this glorious ice cream lol. Then we headed upstairs to the cinema for spring breakers at 15y:00 we skipped lunch cos had a decent hot breakfast. The film was...well kind of weird, fully in English and small polish subtitles. The cinema puts the ones I know in Croydon to shame. Massive screens, n brand new and sparkly clean. Tickets were around 20zlotys so around £5. There's was only 2others in our massive screen.

After the film at 1700 we walked back slowly, got some water for the room and went back text some mates. Relatives back home. We were both hungry so me & Aaron had dinner in the atrium at around 1800. Both had the pizza atrium (pepperoni, salami, onion, peppers) lovely grub it was. Had a drink each and a pot of tea each after. Bill was again around 60zlotys. (30 each) Very reasonable.

After chatting bout gyno mostly, quite nice talking bout how much it has held us back with a similar minded person. Will def keep in touch with Aaron, really is a top lad. We both said see ya Tomoz for our last full day & headed up to our rooms where I'm just watching the laptop and surfing on my phone.

That's it for tonight guys.
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: puffynipplesdrivemecrazy on April 17, 2013, 03:07:51 PM
So Wednesday after my shower! Feeling nice and clean we headed into town about 13:30. Wandered around discussing our visit to dr Clark this morn. Again can't praise her handy work enough, just had a few "weird" moments with taxis etc. we both came to a agreement to, when u email u will find Jeremy is very slow to reply most the time. Sometimes he's directions, instructions, explanations are very short and vague. He's a busy man understandably but we think if he spent a few hours putting together a few pages that cover every detail of what to expect in ur trip with detailed explanations, break downs. He would only have to do this once and then could simply attach it in an email to cover everyone's questions. But hopefully my diary will help set a few things straight.

Anyway we went to the galaxy and had 2scoops ice cream...O my god...u like ben & jerrys this stuff makes it look like value brand tasteless goo. Best ice cream ever end of. (Had the cookie flavour). Ill upload pics of this glorious ice cream lol. Then we headed upstairs to the cinema for spring breakers at 15y:00 we skipped lunch cos had a decent hot breakfast. The film was...well kind of weird, fully in English and small polish subtitles. The cinema puts the ones I know in Croydon to shame. Massive screens, n brand new and sparkly clean. Tickets were around 20zlotys so around £5. There's was only 2others in our massive screen.

After the film at 1700 we walked back slowly, got some water for the room and went back text some mates. Relatives back home. We were both hungry so me & Aaron had dinner in the atrium at around 1800. Both had the pizza atrium (pepperoni, salami, onion, peppers) lovely grub it was. Had a drink each and a pot of tea each after. Bill was again around 60zlotys. (30 each) Very reasonable.

After chatting bout gyno mostly, quite nice talking bout how much it has held us back with a similar minded person. Will def keep in touch with Aaron, really is a top lad. We both said see ya Tomoz for our last full day & headed up to our rooms where I'm just watching the laptop and surfing on my phone.

That's it for tonight guys.

Thanks for replying back mate you have really eased my mind. I am hoping I am like you to be honest in regards to no bleeding etc, sounds like you are making an awesome recovery already!

I know this sounds odd but I am excited to experience poland like you are doing. Kind of a bit of me time away from everyone else but I must admit I would like to be there with a friend.

Well I hope you enjoy the rest of your night, im currently laying in bed looking down at these puffy nipples wishing I was now in your situation! Time to watch some Games of Thrones on the laptop and an early night for me. Enjoy your last day tomorrow and please keep us updated with pics etc. I will pop on and keep reading your updates.

Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: CJC85 on April 17, 2013, 04:52:56 PM
^^ no worries matey. Dr Clark said she has zero concern for me, no swelling bruising bleeding etc. ill chuck up pics for you Tomoz wen I have a min to sort them out.

One more thing pain...the most painful thing I have experienced is the blood test.(and that's just a pin prick) I honestly gave had no pain from the op. 0/10. The ONLY discomfort I had was the night at the clinic having an uncomfortable bed and the bandages being wrapped so tight. And this made my back ache but that's just it am ache not pain.

You will enjoy Poland mate. I wandered to the supermarket at 2100 down the road feeling very safe. Just got an apple and some of my favourite drink that I found over here. It's called oshi 0. Zero calorie sports drink but unlike powerade zero back home it actually tastes really nice.

O and y I remember at the atrium there is a safe in your wardrobe that is free to use and u programme ur code in.

Ill out up pics Tomoz with my final day experience before heading back home. Can't wait to see my little daughter

Chris
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: CJC85 on April 18, 2013, 03:17:32 AM
Thursday 18th April 2013, the last full day & night in Poland guys! So I slept at good 8hours again last night. Went down to breakfast at 8:15. I had a bread roll and put a polish sausage in it. 2tiny quarters of rye bread and put some wafer thin ham and cheese on. (Getting addicted to this polish speciality lol) a humungus red apple. And a double strong coffee. I also tried this tiny slither of chocolate "cake". Virtually all air but was ok. The Germans tend u eat the different breakfast cakes so I was just curious.

For those staying at the atrium the breakfast buffet has, on the left side, coffee machine, tea, then some mixed fruits, fruit juices & the random cake things. On the right side you have cereal like cornflakes, muesli with various dry fruits, toppings in bowls. There's jams. Then there's the hams, deli meats, cheeses and hot food like boiled eggs, scrambled eggs and other things I don't know what they are? European delicacys I guess. Finally there's a huge selection of tiny breads and bread rolls. I also noticed some of the Germans getting poached eggs and bacon brought to them by the waitress/hostess lady so I think u can ask for some cooked stuff.

Anyway, I really hope this is helpful or am I just waffling on? Iv just come up to my room. Running a bath and chilling out. Took my bandages off and guys..has a little flex in my mirror. Today is the first day I really took note of what I have done. My chest looks fantastic, I literally cannot wait to get in the gym and sculpt me a sick looking chest. I haven't had this feeling in a decade. Before it was right lets get my back arms shoulders as big as possible to hide my pointy shitty chest. When that didn't work and I gave up PEDs it was right keys do as much cardio as possible diet and get as lean as I can to try get this gyno less noticeable. Off course my waist shrunk, muscles wasted away and I was left with a thin physique but still sporting a soft pointy chest. So I gave up.

Don't give up guys. If u have any hesitation whether this is worth it erase it now. I thought to myself perhaps ill just live with it. It weren't meant to be for me. But now...it's incredible, the freedom and possibility. Save up, man up, whatever. Just go thru with it u wont regret it.

To anyone without gyno the above willl sound like I'm a right nutjob, but to those fellow gyno sufferers. You know exactly what I mean. & I hope it helps motivate u.

Ill update u later with my last day and pull my finger out to get those pics uploaded.

Later

Chris
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: puffynipplesdrivemecrazy on April 18, 2013, 03:24:41 AM
Good Morning mate,

That breakfast sounds amazing, thing im going to have to give that a try! I cant imagine how happy you feel after removing the bandages. For us gyno sufferers people just dont realise how much this can affect our minds as much as we try to not let it! I like how detailed your posts are and it does not sound like your waffling on at all!

Looking forward to seeing them pics mate and I wish you a nice flight back.

Keep us updated and it would be good to hear how you get along with the scar process.

Sorry Chris, forgot to ask- what airport did you fly to in Berlin? Trying to find flight costs but theres 3 airports?
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: CJC85 on April 18, 2013, 04:11:01 AM
Good Morning mate,

That breakfast sounds amazing, thing im going to have to give that a try! I cant imagine how happy you feel after removing the bandages. For us gyno sufferers people just dont realise how much this can affect our minds as much as we try to not let it! I like how detailed your posts are and it does not sound like your waffling on at all!

Looking forward to seeing them pics mate and I wish you a nice flight back.

Keep us updated and it would be good to hear how you get along with the scar process.

Sorry Chris, forgot to ask- what airport did you fly to in Berlin? Trying to find flight costs but theres 3 airports?

Thanks mate. Actually really enjoyed my flight out, as a man with breasts id shunned holidays for many years & missed out on many opportunities. I love flying so excited for that flight home.

I will snap close ups of my nipple and lipo scars. Honestly don't worry. I can realistically expect as time goes by for them to fade to nothing. I will keep my log going, not regular but a few weekly updates as I deal with scar tissue buildup, break down and hopefully in 6months the final result.

I flew to Berlin schonefield from gatwick via easy jet. Aaron flew standstead to Szczecin via Ryanair. I believe Jeremy told me that any Berlin airport is fine and interglobus transfer to Szczecin with will be the same cost. (Around 40quid). Think it just comes down to where you are travelling from at uk? And what flight times suit u mate and obviously cost. I didn't wanna travel at crazy early morning times so paid easy jet a little extra. I wanted to come at my own times as surgery is stressful enough and couldn't warrant saving 50quid on flights just to break my neck getting up at 3am etc. I also paid easy jet 20quid so I could pack a case & store below deck. Whereas Aaron got all his gear into a suitably sized bag to take as carry on with Ryan air. He also saved money by travelling at early morning times.

Best of luck with it all mate
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: CJC85 on April 18, 2013, 05:56:50 AM
i have uploaded various photos for you guys.

please note on the scar photos i took up close, i have used the bath room lighting that would usually show up the lumps and pointy nipples at their worst. the stitches all have permanent marker under them where Dr Clark marked out my chest pre suregery. i also have a little stain of the brownish orange solution used to dissenfect my chest pre surgery. as u understand i dont want to vigorously scrub my chest in the shower to remove it.

*guys it wont let me link you to the photobucket i set up, im not great at resizing and stuff cos my files are too big to upload one at a time on here. any ideas how i can link you all to the photobucket?
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a486/cjc85gyno/IMG_0576_zpsda8e3cf4.jpg)
-- supplied bandage
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a486/cjc85gyno/IMG_0589_zpsb7c8665a.jpg)
48hours post op
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a486/cjc85gyno/IMG_0625_zps1fc7b7b2.jpg)
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a486/cjc85gyno/IMG_0628_zpsb88187d9.jpg)
(http://i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a486/cjc85gyno/IMG_0627_zps2c678d2c.jpg)
various 72hours post op to show scars
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: puffynipplesdrivemecrazy on April 18, 2013, 09:06:06 AM
Mate you are pretty lean to be honest! and those results look amazing, it would be great to compare your preop pics if you taken any. Cant get over how good your making a recovery, cant see any swelling at all? Do you have any indentation across the pec? I would be over the moon if mine made my nipples flat and follow the contour of my chest.

Heres the link I think you was looking for to your pics hi1280.photobucket.com/albums/a486/cjc85gyno/ I think the forum stop you from placing website links but if you copy and paste that it should be ok. Thanks for uploading them.

Im going to have a nosey now, good work! :)
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: CJC85 on April 18, 2013, 10:37:22 AM
Mate you are pretty lean to be honest! and those results look amazing, it would be great to compare your preop pics if you taken any. Cant get over how good your making a recovery, cant see any swelling at all? Do you have any indentation across the pec? I would be over the moon if mine made my nipples flat and follow the contour of my chest.

Heres the link I think you was looking for to your pics hi1280.photobucket.com/albums/a486/cjc85gyno/ I think the forum stop you from placing website links but if you copy and paste that it should be ok. Thanks for uploading them.

Im going to have a nosey now, good work! :)

nice one mate yeh the photobucket has the various szecin photos in too for you to have a look at. no mate i have zero swelling, zero indentation. just a FLAT chesgt. thats y i attatched the the side shot. i also took a sittind down one earlier slumped over, as theats how my moobs looked the worst, little pointy triangles. now just flat and pert! im not gna lie mate, id struggle to find many pictures of me these last few years, lack of self esteem and gyno means i was the one always behind the camera. i think i have the ones i sent jeremy back on usb at home which i will upload but to be honest i even made my self look as good as posssible in those cos i couldnt face the shame of showing my gyno at its worst in its worst light. put it this way when i flexed my chest my nipple would like fold over its self in a little lump and looking down my shirt from above my chest was triangualr pointing out and to the side. yuk.
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: CJC85 on April 18, 2013, 11:00:28 AM
Thursday, the last day. After breakfast me and aaron headed back to our rooms. now im not gna lie, there will be ups and downs on your trip here. From the massive massive high of our new chests and the begininng of what feels like a new lwase of life we are both slightly down today. home sickness has sunk in, dont get me wrong wer not walking around with our heads down, just the novelty of the new town, pretty girls and tasty food is slowly waring off. i will be very happy to head home tommorow purely to see my family, my daughter and sleep in my own home.

aback in our rooms aaron chatted to his mates and mrs back home, i killed 3 hours updating my blog earlier and fanying around unnsuccesfully on photobucket lol. had a bath and a wash and then we headed out for our final trip into town. pretty hot here today guys, just a tshirt over the vest and we had to walk pretty slow cos we were both getting hot as hell. ended up at the galaxy for a while, aaron looked at the sports shops and i wanted a good look round REAL the supermarket. im one of those annoying people who enjoys walking round the supermaret looking at all the various goodies for ages picking em up and leaving with nothing in the end anyway lol the selection of food in poland i realy want to come to the uk. i tool a pic of the amount of different milka chocolate bars they sell lol the purple ones at home that we have like a daim bar versom a crunchy one etc well they have like 20 different versions, strawberrys and cream, mint, white choc, snickers just stuoid amounts. and those belivita breaksfast biscuits they have double chocolate ones and all sorts.. i know silly examples but meats, cheeses, breads, theres just immense variety.

also having worked in a supermarket i reember being moaned at at our distinct lack of gluten free and wheat allergy foods etc, they have a whole aisle the lenght of the supermarket. anyway after losing myself in the magic of all this variety i met up with aaron and we was both pretty hungry. went in th food bit, im a bit unadventurous o i had a subway, the staff actually spoje perfect englsish yey, had a fotlong long sub with spicy chicken, bacon, cheese and salad. about 15 zlotys. aaron had something from this polish kiosk and to be fair he said it was the greatest meal hes had and i kinda regretted not having it in the end, he had like a large chicken escalope in batter, some boiled potatoes with crispy coating and sour croat (however you spell it) it looked so much nice than it sounds snd hes reccomendation is you all try the polish kiosk at the top of the galaxy in the food court. nest to the fish and chips and mc DS.

after playing on the arcade for a bit, he one my little girl a teddy bear, really we was just trying to spend all our shrapnel we had ammassed. we stopped off for a ice cream one last time, i had 2 scoops of cookie stuff in a waffle cone, you all know a waffle cone right back home? well do yourselves a favour and just point at it lol me asking for a waffle cone led to the two polish girls pissing themselves at me as if i was mad. slightly embarassing ha.

we headed home, tryna waste as much time as possible without spending any money we just hit all the side streets.. after about 16:00 both tired and hot we grabbed some water for the rooms and just signalled a taxi to take us back to atrium. turns out were about 3 mins away in the wrong direction and the taxi was about 10 zloty.

now im back in my room sorting my case out so i dont have to do it in the morning, one final dinner in the atrium. back up to my room this evening, feeling a bit weary today, and i think its probably from the excitement of this trip and after all the nervous expectations, its coming to a close and as we all usually find, nothing is ever as bad as you think.

maybe one final update from me before i go to sleep, if not tho i am travelling from here to berling tommorow at 10:30am. need to check in at berlin for 13:10 and then fly back to gatwick. by time the hours differemce is taken away, i grab my luggage, i should be picked up from gatwick around 17.00 uk time and home half hour later.

one random thought i forgot to day is Dr clark told us usually for the gyno ops, her best nurse works the night shift and she speaks english. however like all things she cannot be around for every gyno op and we were just unlucky. so you guys may find yourselves better off than us, altho our non englsh speaking nurse was just fine and will look after you well.

laters guys.

Chris
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: CJC85 on April 19, 2013, 01:44:25 AM
Yesterday afternoon was spent packing my stuff, watching laptop and the heading down for a final pizza at the atrium. I settled my bill with reception as I'd put all my meals, pots of teas, couple choccy bars from mini bar on my room. 125zlottys (25quidish). Then a final little walk to stretch our legs and I was back in my room for the night to chill & get a good night sleep for the day of travelling home.

So today is Friday, my last breakfast at the atrium in a min and say good bye to my new mate Aaron. He's off straight after breakfast to be taken by a taxi to Szczecin airport and fly back to standstead. He's going work this afternoon back home. Lol nutter.

Then I'm gna just gna slowly have a shower check iv got all my stuff and head down to hopefully be picked up at 10:25! I emailed Jeremy to just confirm yesterday morning that my taxi did be here but as usual no reply. Ill let u all know tho wen I'm bk home, things have gone as Jeremy said so far (definitely not to a T, but in the general direction) so not worried.

Seemed an age away to be sat here ready to go home even last weekend, but with the exception of yesterday time has flied. And iv had a good "holiday"

All the best
Chris
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: zack42 on April 19, 2013, 02:48:51 AM
Brilliant report Chris and judging by your pics, excellent results.

Glad you enjoyed your time over there - I was alone but do look back on it fondly.

The recovery is a bit of a rollercoaster so be prepared.  I still have some scar tissue although nothing like as bad as the original glands.

Congrats for getting it done, thanks for the updates and all the best from here.
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: CJC85 on April 19, 2013, 02:59:34 AM
Brilliant report Chris and judging by your pics, excellent results.

Glad you enjoyed your time over there - I was alone but do look back on it fondly.

The recovery is a bit of a rollercoaster so be prepared.  I still have some scar tissue although nothing like as bad as the original glands.

Congrats for getting it done, thanks for the updates and all the best from here.

Thanks mate. Very happy with results thus far. Obviously prepared for the scar tissue roller coaster ahead but am firmly aware that 6-months-1year will be my recovery complete.

The log has actually helped me with something to do and pass the time.

All the best
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: CJC85 on April 20, 2013, 09:09:34 AM
Final part lads.

Friday, my interglobus bust was promptly outside the the hotel at 10:20. it took me to the interglobus shop/waiting place, where the driver told me wed be departing at 11am for berlin shonefield airport and were waiting for the other passengers to arrive. couple hours later, after a nice nap i was at berlin airport. i have taken pics of the place where you wait for that interglobus bus to take you to sczecin so you are a little confused like i was.

i checked my luggage in, went thru passport control. i was patted down and asked them to be gently as i had surgery! think they were slightly worried my compression vest was a suicide bomber or something dodgy! anyway no hassles, got thru to the otherside had a bite to eat from a italian fresh sandwhich place, theres also a irish pub and burger king etc duty free. boarded my easy jet plane at 3:30 and lovely flight back to the uk, gatwick.

Nice to be home, see my family. still no pain or swelling in the chest. one weird thing iv noticed from surgery, iv got a little water retention, sock marks on my legs, and long sleeved shirt  marks on my arms etc, not sure if this is a side from anaethestic or just the geeral reaction to surgery trauma.

i will upload pics like the following, on monday i will put up 1week post op. then i will put up 6week post op. at that point i will hit the gym and put up pics in a further 6 weeks (12weeks post op)finally i will put up 6 month post op pics to give an idea of nearly the final result. i will be sending dr clark the 6week and 6month post op pics.

today iv changed to my macom, for me with a slim waist the -- bandage just slipped down to much and was compressing my chest enough, the macom feels sooo much better. ill really start massaging on monday for as long as possible, havenet really done any yet but cant feel any scar tissue yet. jsut want my stitche to be really strongly sealed before i go to work on them. iv stopped the supplied pain killers as of last night. (fri). i will finish the whole antibiotics course for a further 5days and religously applying the ointment and disifecting the stitiches after showering.

i will check this site most days, so any questions im happy to answer. ill get those last few pics up very soon. take it easy guys

chris

Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: wezzer on April 21, 2013, 10:17:32 AM
Loved your write up mate!

The things I'm most worried about is getting taxis and stuff to and from the clinic and then getting food and stuff. Is it hard to communicate where you want to go with the taxi drivers?

Also, are you allowed to bring your antibiotics and oils onto the plane in your carry-on luggage? I'm not bringing a regular suitcase you see, and I don't want the stuff taken off of me when I try to come back from Poland
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: CJC85 on April 21, 2013, 01:18:50 PM
Loved your write up mate!

The things I'm most worried about is getting taxis and stuff to and from the clinic and then getting food and stuff. Is it hard to communicate where you want to go with the taxi drivers?

Also, are you allowed to bring your antibiotics and oils onto the plane in your carry-on luggage? I'm not bringing a regular suitcase you see, and I don't want the stuff taken off of me when I try to come back from Poland

thankx mate, hope it helps you in some way.
dont worry at all mate, jeremy will arrange the taxi to blood test and ultrasound and clinic that day. dr clark will book your taxi back to the hotel after op. then we just told reception at the hotel when we wanted a taxi the following day and they arrange it. just be outside 5mins before the time arranged. we also got a couple taxis randomly in the street and just showed them our hotel room key with the name on and they all knew where to go.

in the food court in the galaxy mall all the cashiers spoke english so no prob there. in the little supermarkets and shops just grabbed what we needed went to the till and said hello so they knew we were english and they just point to the price on the cash register and you give them the money. its really not a problem to communicate mate.

right, you can take your heparin ointment, antibioics and pain killers on carry on but theres a rule where you cant take bottles of 100ml plus of liquid through security/passport control (people were making explosives or something) so you wont be able to take the little bottle of cleaning fluid (150ml) that you clean your nipples with before aplying the jelonets. just get another one before you go so youve got it when you get home. also buy jelonets cos she only gives you enough while your out in poland. got some from my chemist on saturday.
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: wezzer on April 21, 2013, 04:40:28 PM
Thanks so much for the info mate, really appreciate it, that's helped put me at ease a lot!

Another question I have is how did you pay the remaining amount for the surgery? I really don't wanna take out over a grand from the bank and pay in cash, but I also feel a bit nervous about paying that much into Jeremey's bank account before I've even flown out there
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: CJC85 on April 21, 2013, 05:23:21 PM
Thanks so much for the info mate, really appreciate it, that's helped put me at ease a lot!

Another question I have is how did you pay the remaining amount for the surgery? I really don't wanna take out over a grand from the bank and pay in cash, but I also feel a bit nervous about paying that much into Jeremey's bank account before I've even flown out there

I personally paid my deposit, waited and then paid the remaining amount about 10 days before flying out. (Be aware they don't accept payment between 24th-1st of month for accounting or something?) just get receipts from the cashier at HSBC wen u pay in & keep any emails Jeremy sends saying funds received I know Aaron had to pay an extra 250 for lipo and wired it over the net to Jeremy's account the morning post op. so if u have Internet you could ask to do that. Either way with everyone's experiences there mate it's not like its some random no ones ever used before.

By the way, feeling better & better bout my chest each day. 1weeks post op will go up Tomoz.

Chris
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: puffynipplesdrivemecrazy on April 23, 2013, 03:58:39 AM

Hi Chris, good to hear that your back in the UK and still making an amazing recovery. I so hope I recover like you!

Im still frantically trying to save my money. Go away on holiday soon with the girl and wish I wouldnt of said ill book us a holiday and use it for the op. Really not looking forward to it to be honest with the whole puffy nipple thing. Ah well chin up for me and hopefully soon ill be making an excellent recovery like you.

Looking forward to seeing your 1 week post op photo.
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: CJC85 on April 24, 2013, 01:20:17 PM
Hi guys, haven't forgot bout loading pics. Their all sitting on my laptop ready to go but for some rediculous reason I can't log onto this site via my laptop it just says error wen typing my password yet it's fine on my phone. I'm really busy desperately searching for a job so can't afford to waste time at mo. as soon as I figure out how to log on ill do it, if not check out my imageshack someone wrote address too few posts back and they are on their. Still healing well. Zero pain, zero bruising. Bin back at gym since Sunday just doing some cardio.

Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: wezzer on April 24, 2013, 05:45:09 PM
Hey mate, glad to know ur healing well! I can't see any info about ur imageshack :s Hopefully the site will let u post pics soon
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: puffynipplesdrivemecrazy on April 25, 2013, 03:34:56 AM
Wezzer, give this link a go mate i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a486/cjc85gyno/

You will have to copy and paste into the internet browser but you will see all of Chris's pics there.

Chris - it would be great to see any before op pics you may have, or even better if Dr Clarke has any before photos? Just saw your latest ones mate and I would be absolutely over the moon if I had results like that! Went for a run last night and trying to eat clean but I doubt I will reduce any fat and reduce the appearence of my puffy nipples :(

Hope the job hunting goes well anyway mate!
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: CJC85 on April 25, 2013, 04:46:03 AM
Wezzer, give this link a go mate i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a486/cjc85gyno/

You will have to copy and paste into the internet browser but you will see all of Chris's pics there.

Chris - it would be great to see any before op pics you may have, or even better if Dr Clarke has any before photos? Just saw your latest ones mate and I would be absolutely over the moon if I had results like that! Went for a run last night and trying to eat clean but I doubt I will reduce any fat and reduce the appearence of my puffy nipples :(

Hope the job hunting goes well anyway mate!

Thanks mate, obviously from personal experience I know getting lean will not rid the gyno and stubborn fat attracted to the gland. But the leaner you are then the better you will look immediately after surgery! High protien calorie controlled diet mate, cardio & weights and you can't go wrong.

Ill search for the befores mate
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: puffynipplesdrivemecrazy on April 25, 2013, 06:24:12 AM
Its a shame to hear this and I think this is a reality I am going to have to face. You look very lean so completely agree with you.

Thanks for digging the pics out would be great to compare my chest with yours, mine doesnt look bad in pictures and im worried that Jeremy will say we cant see anything wrong with your chest even though the breast specialist has said I have slight gyno.

I will keep checking your photobucket :)

Wezzer, give this link a go mate i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a486/cjc85gyno/

You will have to copy and paste into the internet browser but you will see all of Chris's pics there.

Chris - it would be great to see any before op pics you may have, or even better if Dr Clarke has any before photos? Just saw your latest ones mate and I would be absolutely over the moon if I had results like that! Went for a run last night and trying to eat clean but I doubt I will reduce any fat and reduce the appearence of my puffy nipples :(

Hope the job hunting goes well anyway mate!

Thanks mate, obviously from personal experience I know getting lean will not rid the gyno and stubborn fat attracted to the gland. But the leaner you are then the better you will look immediately after surgery! High protien calorie controlled diet mate, cardio & weights and you can't go wrong.

Ill search for the befores mate
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: CJC85 on April 25, 2013, 09:05:10 AM
Its a shame to hear this and I think this is a reality I am going to have to face. You look very lean so completely agree with you.

Thanks for digging the pics out would be great to compare my chest with yours, mine doesnt look bad in pictures and im worried that Jeremy will say we cant see anything wrong with your chest even though the breast specialist has said I have slight gyno.

I will keep checking your photobucket :)

Wezzer, give this link a go mate i1280.photobucket.com/albums/a486/cjc85gyno/

You will have to copy and paste into the internet browser but you will see all of Chris's pics there.

Chris - it would be great to see any before op pics you may have, or even better if Dr Clarke has any before photos? Just saw your latest ones mate and I would be absolutely over the moon if I had results like that! Went for a run last night and trying to eat clean but I doubt I will reduce any fat and reduce the appearence of my puffy nipples :(

Hope the job hunting goes well anyway mate!

Thanks mate, obviously from personal experience I know getting lean will not rid the gyno and stubborn fat attracted to the gland. But the leaner you are then the better you will look immediately after surgery! High protien calorie controlled diet mate, cardio & weights and you can't go wrong.

Ill search for the befores mate

i know its probably not what you wanted to hear mate but its the reality, i got down to like 6% bodyfat after a 12weeks diet of fish, chicken and the odd bowl of oats before training, yeh my chest looked normal to anyone else, but was it maintainable? no way! as soon as my bodyfat crept to 10percent, where i still have abs etc my chest was abnormally distributed with fat. i wasted so many years debating whether to get surgery and now i regret so much not getting it sooner. when u can sfford it bite the bullet mate, if you can feel hard gland under your nips then it doesnt matter what your pics will look like to jeremey, you are paying for the operation. as i previously said i even pinched my nipples etc for my before pics cos i was so ashamed of letting anyone see my gyno at its worse, was it worse in my head than to other people? probably, but i done this for my own peace of mind, and happiness.

should be able to dig around for pics sometime tonight, i dont forget dont worry,
Title: Re: -- poland
Post by: CJC85 on April 25, 2013, 09:27:13 AM
Loved your write up mate!

The things I'm most worried about is getting taxis and stuff to and from the clinic and then getting food and stuff. Is it hard to communicate where you want to go with the taxi drivers?

Also, are you allowed to bring your antibiotics and oils onto the plane in your carry-on luggage? I'm not bringing a regular suitcase you see, and I don't want the stuff taken off of me when I try to come back from Poland

Wezzer,

after a bit of thought, before you go to poland pop into superdrug,boots and they sell small 100ml travel bottles.take one with you and a clear sandwhich bag. before you leave poland, transfer the 150ml disenfectant into a 100ml bottle (you lose a bit obviously) and put it in the clear sandwhich bag. then you can bring this back through security. saves you having to hunt for the dissenfectant in the uk before you go,
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: wezzer on April 25, 2013, 01:54:10 PM
That's a really good idea, I'll defo do that mate! About a month and two weeks until i go and get mine done, I'm really nervous but I know it's necessary as gyno has held me back my whole life. Just gonna bite the bullet! I wish I'd done it when I first got a job tbh, but I'm only 24 so hopefully it'll make a difference to my life so I can still enjoy what year sof my 20's I have left!
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: wezzer on April 28, 2013, 12:42:38 PM
Hey mate, I wanted to ask, how much was it in total for taxis, medication and the blood tests/sonogram?
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: CJC85 on April 29, 2013, 02:02:52 PM
So although I knew about scar tissue. I wernt prepared for it. Couple days ago it started forming thick and fast, now have a golf ball of thick tissue under each nipple. Looks awful. Worse than pre gyno to be honest. Prob won't update for a while cos pretty bummed. Will def be getting kenalog injections in few months if by any chance it doesn't go. If not surgery will be done in a year or so to remove it. I just prey it does go down naturally.
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: wezzer on April 29, 2013, 02:29:10 PM
Aww dude :( I specifically remember  someone saying that Dr Clark had said to them that people with smaller glands (which I imagine you had) find the scar tissue much harder to deal with because it looks bigger than what they had before, but those with big glands handle it better because it\s usually smaller than the gland before. Apparently you gotta give it at least 6 months before you even consider kenalog injections. Just lots of massage dude! I'm sure the guys who have dealt with scar tissue can give you some hope!
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: CJC85 on April 29, 2013, 04:25:47 PM
Aww dude :( I specifically remember  someone saying that Dr Clark had said to them that people with smaller glands (which I imagine you had) find the scar tissue much harder to deal with because it looks bigger than what they had before, but those with big glands handle it better because it\s usually smaller than the gland before. Apparently you gotta give it at least 6 months before you even consider kenalog injections. Just lots of massage dude! I'm sure the guys who have dealt with scar tissue can give you some hope!

Thanks mate. Just finding the mental side hard. Chest was perfect, I was fixed! Now I'm not! in a matter of days. Just gta be patient I know, just where it's so hard and dense I find it hard to think how it wil just vanish! :(
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: puffynipplesdrivemecrazy on April 29, 2013, 05:26:56 PM
Hello mate, I've checked this thread everyday as it means alot to me. My heart sunk when I read your latest post but please don't get down about it. I literally read everyday about gyno and the amount of posts that say they had scar tissue then 6 months later it pretty much disappeared and they can't feel it anymore. I'm pretty sure there's hope mate.

Maybe it's time now to start the massaging if you haven't done so already. Keep us updated as I feel pretty down for you too mate and I got everything crossed you will be ok.
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: puffynipplesdrivemecrazy on April 30, 2013, 03:21:30 AM
I have just been doing some more reading this morning mate while having my cuppa at work.

Someone said you should ignore your chest (easier said than done) for 6 months as it will be lumpy. I know you might not feel like doing this but keep taking pictures mate and keep a log. You will see then how much it is changing. Just a thought though.

Hope the job huntings going well, trying to find my girl a job at the moment but its a nightmare to say the least!
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: CJC85 on April 30, 2013, 03:34:16 AM
I have just been doing some more reading this morning mate while having my cuppa at work.

Someone said you should ignore your chest (easier said than done) for 6 months as it will be lumpy. I know you might not feel like doing this but keep taking pictures mate and keep a log. You will see then how much it is changing. Just a thought though.

Hope the job huntings going well, trying to find my girl a job at the moment but its a nightmare to say the least!

I really appreciate that mate. Thank you
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: puffynipplesdrivemecrazy on May 01, 2013, 11:18:19 AM
Still in my thoughts chap and hope your ok  :)

I have just been doing some more reading this morning mate while having my cuppa at work.

Someone said you should ignore your chest (easier said than done) for 6 months as it will be lumpy. I know you might not feel like doing this but keep taking pictures mate and keep a log. You will see then how much it is changing. Just a thought though.

Hope the job huntings going well, trying to find my girl a job at the moment but its a nightmare to say the least!

I really appreciate that mate. Thank you
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: Poland2012 on May 01, 2013, 04:34:58 PM
I'm at the 5 month mark and the scar tissue is still going down steadily, so give it time.
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: CJC85 on May 01, 2013, 05:02:43 PM
Thanks guys for ur chin up posts. Feeling bit better. Is very noticeable with top off but it doesn't wobble like my gyno did which is a nice change. It's like iv had tiny golf ball breast implants lol. My scars are vanishing daily..I showed my best mate today who's a keen bodybuilder & he was impressed massively how quickly the scars are healing. Literally 2.5 weeks post op, apart from internal scar tissue if u looked at my chest u wouldn't know iv was cut open unless I particularly pointed it out.

Gna try just forget bout the scar build up and worst comes to worst in a few months ill have it injected to oblivion, I'm come this far I'm gna bloody get my flat chest back eventually!
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: Supersonic123 on May 02, 2013, 03:53:53 AM
Any chance of seing a picture of your "golf ball chest" so I know what to expect? ;)
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: puffynipplesdrivemecrazy on May 04, 2013, 01:56:53 PM
Hello mate, just wondered how you are

I have just been doing some more reading this morning mate while having my cuppa at work.

Someone said you should ignore your chest (easier said than done) for 6 months as it will be lumpy. I know you might not feel like doing this but keep taking pictures mate and keep a log. You will see then how much it is changing. Just a thought though.

Hope the job huntings going well, trying to find my girl a job at the moment but its a nightmare to say the least!
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: Supersonic123 on May 13, 2013, 02:35:35 PM
Hello, I have booked surgery with Dr Clark but getting cold feet now that you say you are so disappointed. Would you not recommend the trip to Poland? Would really appreciate any reply, thanks.
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: CJC85 on May 13, 2013, 06:07:51 PM
Hello, I have booked surgery with Dr Clark but getting cold feet now that you say you are so disappointed. Would you not recommend the trip to Poland? Would really appreciate any reply, thanks.

no, i dont regret it at all. the scar tissue is just how my individual body is healing. the scars and work done by dr clark are fantastic.

my scar tissue had begun to soften and shrunk by around a third. im a month post op right now, if it shrinks another third in a month and then goes the following month i will be very happy. even if it doesnt my chest no longer wobbles and is rock hard. im back in the gym now lifting and i go in the steam room poolside without worry so it cant be that bad!

go for it and dont look back
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: Supersonic123 on May 13, 2013, 07:02:15 PM
Hello, I have booked surgery with Dr Clark but getting cold feet now that you say you are so disappointed. Would you not recommend the trip to Poland? Would really appreciate any reply, thanks.

no, i dont regret it at all. the scar tissue is just how my individual body is healing. the scars and work done by dr clark are fantastic.

my scar tissue had begun to soften and shrunk by around a third. im a month post op right now, if it shrinks another third in a month and then goes the following month i will be very happy. even if it doesnt my chest no longer wobbles and is rock hard. im back in the gym now lifting and i go in the steam room poolside without worry so it cant be that bad!

go for it and dont look back

Thank you very much for the reply! Did you have mild gynecomastia before surgery? I have mild gynecomastia and am a little bit afraid what the results will be for me. Here's a picture of my breast at the moment: oi44.tinypic.com/dcvg9g.jpg
Do you think it is too mild to get operation or can operation make me look like a more normal chest? Would deeply appreciate answer from you, thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: puffynipplesdrivemecrazy on May 14, 2013, 03:09:05 AM
Hello Supersonic,

Just looked at your pic and mine looks slightly more milder than yours (and I wouldnt say yours looks that bad!) and I still want the op. I think all in all it depends on how it makes you feel. Ive walked around for the past month and notice guys with gyne straight away. Alot of these guys dont even know they have it. So I would say if its getting you down, your constantly checking the mirror and its controlling what clothes you are wearing then go for it.

Im looking to hopefully go in August/September, give me the heads up if you want to go together.

Chris, over the moon for you mate I really am. Alot is riding on this thread for me and its good to see that its starting to reduce!



Hello, I have booked surgery with Dr Clark but getting cold feet now that you say you are so disappointed. Would you not recommend the trip to Poland? Would really appreciate any reply, thanks.

no, i dont regret it at all. the scar tissue is just how my individual body is healing. the scars and work done by dr clark are fantastic.

my scar tissue had begun to soften and shrunk by around a third. im a month post op right now, if it shrinks another third in a month and then goes the following month i will be very happy. even if it doesnt my chest no longer wobbles and is rock hard. im back in the gym now lifting and i go in the steam room poolside without worry so it cant be that bad!

go for it and dont look back

Thank you very much for the reply! Did you have mild gynecomastia before surgery? I have mild gynecomastia and am a little bit afraid what the results will be for me. Here's a picture of my breast at the moment: oi44.tinypic.com/dcvg9g.jpg
Do you think it is too mild to get operation or can operation make me look like a more normal chest? Would deeply appreciate answer from you, thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: Supersonic123 on May 14, 2013, 03:59:20 AM
Hello Supersonic,

Just looked at your pic and mine looks slightly more milder than yours (and I wouldnt say yours looks that bad!) and I still want the op. I think all in all it depends on how it makes you feel. Ive walked around for the past month and notice guys with gyne straight away. Alot of these guys dont even know they have it. So I would say if its getting you down, your constantly checking the mirror and its controlling what clothes you are wearing then go for it.

Im looking to hopefully go in August/September, give me the heads up if you want to go together.

Chris, over the moon for you mate I really am. Alot is riding on this thread for me and its good to see that its starting to reduce!



Hello, I have booked surgery with Dr Clark but getting cold feet now that you say you are so disappointed. Would you not recommend the trip to Poland? Would really appreciate any reply, thanks.

no, i dont regret it at all. the scar tissue is just how my individual body is healing. the scars and work done by dr clark are fantastic.

my scar tissue had begun to soften and shrunk by around a third. im a month post op right now, if it shrinks another third in a month and then goes the following month i will be very happy. even if it doesnt my chest no longer wobbles and is rock hard. im back in the gym now lifting and i go in the steam room poolside without worry so it cant be that bad!

go for it and dont look back

Thank you very much for the reply! Did you have mild gynecomastia before surgery? I have mild gynecomastia and am a little bit afraid what the results will be for me. Here's a picture of my breast at the moment: oi44.tinypic.com/dcvg9g.jpg
Do you think it is too mild to get operation or can operation make me look like a more normal chest? Would deeply appreciate answer from you, thanks in advance.

It has affected a lot in my life so I have decided I have to get it fixed for my own sake. I'm booked for the 21st August and would really like to go together!
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: puffynipplesdrivemecrazy on May 14, 2013, 04:49:14 AM
Any chance you can pm me mate? Where are you flying from?

Chris, just been reading about scar tissue which im sure you have too. This is from a womens perspective but I suppose scar tissue is scar tissue;

I developed a hematoma that had to be drained within a week of my last breast augmentation, as a result of that(I assume) that breast never fully dropped. It fluffed, but always sat higher and had little volume below the nipple(like 'football' boobs lol). I recently had a revision and from day one after the revision my boob looked exactly like it did before, there was virtually no difference, I don't even know what my doctor did in there since nothing changed at all(if anyone wants to know who my doctor was you can PM me, I don't recommend him).

The skin on almost the whole underside of the 'bad boob' has always been very thick and kind of tough, you couldn't feel the implant under it and from the side this area looked flat. I'm *assuming* that this was all scar tissue.

A few days ago I started pinching this area, with lots of smaller pinches, not one big pinch, all over the whole trouble area. Just pinching what I could between my thumb and index finger and moving each finger in a circular motion against each other(with the skin in between). Just pinching the skin, not the implant underneath. Small pinches. As soon as I started doing this my boob started itching a lot on the inside. It stopped when I stopped. I've read that itching is a sign of healing....not sure though. The itching actually felt very pleasant. I just kept doing the pinch massages all over the trouble area for probably a half hour. The next day my boob was noticeably softer under there. I've been keeping it up and that whole tough hard area is almost completely soft and the super thick skin has noticeably thinned, I can finally feel the implant and the roundness underneath. Also, quite a bit of the feeling has returned to this area. I hadn't had any for the year that this implant has been in.

Hoping this might help some people out there. I still have asymmetry but it is not as glaringly obvious as before and I'm hoping that since that skin is now soft that it will actually help now when I do the regular massages(since I can now push the implant down into that formerly hardened area, I could never do that before).


One women said she tried this technique, heard a crunch and ended up visibley flat! My two pence worth :)
Title: Re: Dr Clark gyno op poland April 2013
Post by: Supersonic123 on May 14, 2013, 10:10:31 AM
Traveling from Sweden, you've got a PM, puffynipplesdrivemecrazy.