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General => Gynecomastia Talk => Topic started by: Monkey83 on August 07, 2012, 12:58:23 PM

Title: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: Monkey83 on August 07, 2012, 12:58:23 PM
I find the best combo to hide gyne is this:

1) Compression tank one size smaller than your actually shirt size. (Everlast 20.00 at Wal-Mart or Underarmour)
2) A t-shirt your actual shirt size
3) A golf shirt that is your actual shirt size as well as being dark in colour, navy blue and black being the best. (I will also wear a brown one because the compression tank really works)

The Everlast compression tank you can buy at walmart is also antimicrobial, which means if you so choose you can wear it more than one day, if money is a factor for you.

I find the golf shirt to be multi-purpose, in that you can pretty well wear it in almost all work environments or if you are on a date as well as in school, if you are that young. The golf shirts come in many varieties of styles as far as patterns and colours are concerned, so you can actually get away with wearing a different golf shirt everyday without anyone noticing. Even if they do, with compression tank and t-shirt already described, they will chalk it up to you preferring that style. It's also reasonable to have a t-shirt on underneath, and so therefore no one will question why you are wearing layers, even in the summertime. The golf shirt can also be tucked in or left untucked, if left untucked they are generally long enough to compensate if you stretch or reach for something, in other words your compression tank won't be exposed.

Been living with it all my life, and I hope this helps some younger guys maybe still going through school or guys who have had trouble picking out clothes to hide it.

Also, one more thing: Match the t-shirt with the with the compression tank. If it's black, wear black t-shirts or navy blue. If it's white, wear white. Just in case the collar comes down a little.
Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: Paa_Paw on August 10, 2012, 06:24:26 PM
The temperature reached 108 F degrees today. So I wore a tee and a Guayabera.

If I had to spend too much time out in the heat, I would have kept the Guayabera and jetissoned the tee.

Gynecomastia is a fact of life, Only a problem if you allow it to be one. I do not allow it to bother me, If it bothers someone else, then it is their problem not mine.

Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: hammer on August 10, 2012, 07:21:43 PM
I agree with you Paa_Paw, we are who we are and if anyone has a problem with that, well, tough! It is there problem then, they can own it!


Bob
Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: Ali19 on August 10, 2012, 09:10:33 PM
The temperature reached 108 F degrees today. So I wore a tee and a Guayabera.

If I had to spend too much time out in the heat, I would have kept the Guayabera and jetissoned the tee.

Gynecomastia is a fact of life, Only a problem if you allow it to be one. I do not allow it to bother me, If it bothers someone else, then it is their problem not mine.



you do not allow it bother you? than why are you wearing the tee and Guayabera? i dont mean to offend anyone, im just curious.
Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: TigerPaws on August 11, 2012, 07:36:32 AM
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you do not allow it bother you? than why are you wearing the tee and Guayabera? i dont mean to offend anyone, im just curious.

I will not attempt to speak for Paw_Paw.

I wear a compression sports bra when I am out in public not for my own comfort because as regular bra feels far more comfortable but for the comfort of others. Most people are too ignorant to understand that breasts on a man are no different than those on a woman. Society and the media have projected an image of what a man should look like, over the past 50 plus years this propaganda has become the perceived truth; as the infamous Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels said "tell a lie long enough and it will become the truth".

The masses do not readily accept anything they as perceive out of the norm, so to avoid continual conflict it is often (but not always) easier to project an image of what the masses expect.

It is not right but like so many things that is the reality of the world we live in.   
Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: Monkey83 on August 11, 2012, 09:38:27 AM
The fact of the matter is gynecomastia is considered a physical deformity. While I salute the fact that there are some people who who would rather accept their condition there are children that are going through the same stuff we went through on here and we have a moral obligation to try and help. I sincerely do appreciate the fact some people are okay with it, but unfortunately that mentality offers no solution.

Gynecomastia is not "normal". Men are not supposed to have feminized breasts, evidenced by the fact that it occurs only when there is a hormonal imbalance or some other factor introduced. I appreciate the spirit behind acceptance, but if anything I think that attitude actually hinders progress.

There are three things you can do with gyne: Accept it, hide it, or have it corrected. In most cases people want to have it corrected, so I think we should have a solution to the issue of appearance within the interim. Especially if there are children who come on here who are desperate for  answers.

Again, I appreciate the spirit of acceptance and salute and respect those who accept it on a personal level. However, I think we should probably drop the ideology that it's normal and society should accept it, and look for more efficient  and reasonable ways of dealing with this traumatic deformity.
Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: TigerPaws on August 11, 2012, 10:08:58 AM
The fact of the matter is gynecomastia is considered a physical deformity. While I salute the fact that there are some people who who would rather accept their condition there are children that are going through the same stuff we went through on here and we have a moral obligation to try and help. I sincerely do appreciate the fact some people are okay with it, but unfortunately that mentality offers no solution.

Gynecomastia is not "normal". Men are not supposed to have feminized breasts, evidenced by the fact that it occurs only when there is a hormonal imbalance or some other factor introduced. I appreciate the spirit behind acceptance, but if anything I think that attitude actually hinders progress.

There are three things you can do with gyne: Accept it, hide it, or have it corrected. In most cases people want to have it corrected, so I think we should have a solution to the issue of appearance within the interim. Especially if there are children who come on here who are desperate for  answers.

Again, I appreciate the spirit of acceptance and salute and respect those who accept it on a personal level. However, I think we should probably drop the ideology that it's normal and society should accept it, and look for more efficient  and reasonable ways of dealing with this traumatic deformity.

Sir I beg to differ with this statement "Men are not supposed to have feminized breasts". Who made you god?

Are you so small minded that you cannot accept a person who was born blind, deaf or otherwise disabled? You demean those people who have little choice but to accept their condition, you demean all military veterans who live every day with sever disabilities. Having beasts is no different. You and most men have all the necessary God given equipment to develop fully formed breasts, to say that this is a "deformity" this is an insult to anyone who can not be what in your eyes is less than perfect. This way of thinking is what leads to ethnic cleansing, racial intolerance and genocide.     

This type of attitude is judgmental and bigoted.   
Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: Monkey83 on August 11, 2012, 10:35:07 AM
It is physical deformity that I have and have lived with for more than half of my life. I do not discriminate against anyone for having this deformity. I do not discriminate against any person who has any other physical deformity. If anything, I can empathize with them.

If you truly accepted your condition you would view it objectively.

Also if we can keep talk of the supernatural to minimum when discussing medical issues, it would probably be for the better. I am not discriminating against you or your belief system, it just has no relevance when talking about gynecomastia.
Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: Paa_Paw on August 11, 2012, 10:46:27 AM
At what point does a condition become regarded as a deformity?

Is it a deformity if 1% of the population has it? How about 5%?

Do a bit of research an you'll find that Gynecomastia is no more of a deformity than having blue eyes.

I grew up wearing a tee for an undershirt and a buttoned up shirt over it. It is a habit and it is my usual costume along with a pair of slacks. I do not like heavy fabrics so I do not even own a pair of jeans.

I often wear a jumpsuit in hot weather because I can get them made of a lightweight fabric. The light cloth makes them cooler than trousers and a shirt.

Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: Monkey83 on August 11, 2012, 11:13:51 AM
From the Oxford Dictionary:

Definition of deformity
noun (plural deformities)
a deformed part, especially of the body; a malformation:
deformities of the hands or feet
[mass noun] the state of being deformed or misshapen:
respiratory problems caused by spinal deformity

Origin:
late Middle English: from Old French desformite, from Latin deformitas, from deformis 'misshapen'

It took approximately 10 seconds of "research" to find the definition. I used the word in the proper context.

This is the last response I am putting on this thread. This thread, started out as a positive thing, to try and help people who are struggling feel normal in public. It has turned into a debate, which I don't believe is going to help the people this thread was originally started for.
Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: hammer on August 11, 2012, 11:18:10 AM
It was just this week on our local morning news show that they talked about gynecomastia! A doctor said that 60% of males are affected be it at some point in there life!

It is not rare, there is no reason that it should be TABOO, if a man would decide to have surgery it is his choice but as it said it should not be TABOO that a men have breast that grow as no fault of his own, and at 60% it shouldn't be all that strange to see men with them. It is no different the ED!
Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: hammer on August 11, 2012, 11:20:43 AM
From the Oxford Dictionary:

Definition of deformity
noun (plural deformities)
a deformed part, especially of the body; a malformation:
deformities of the hands or feet
[mass noun] the state of being deformed or misshapen:
respiratory problems caused by spinal deformity

Origin:
late Middle English: from Old French desformite, from Latin deformitas, from deformis 'misshapen'

It took approximately 10 seconds of "research" to find the definition. I used the word in the proper context.

This is the last response I am putting on this thread. This thread, started out as a positive thing, to try and help people who are struggling feel normal in public. It has turned into a debate, which I don't believe is going to help the people this thread was originally started for.




Normal is as what you see as normal or as society has set as normal in your own mind!


All men have breast, some a little more then others!
Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: TigerPaws on August 11, 2012, 01:01:06 PM
From the Oxford Dictionary:

Definition of deformity
noun (plural deformities)
a deformed part, especially of the body; a malformation:
deformities of the hands or feet
[mass noun] the state of being deformed or misshapen:
respiratory problems caused by spinal deformity

Origin:
late Middle English: from Old French desformite, from Latin deformitas, from deformis 'misshapen'

It took approximately 10 seconds of "research" to find the definition. I used the word in the proper context.

This is the last response I am putting on this thread. This thread, started out as a positive thing, to try and help people who are struggling feel normal in public. It has turned into a debate, which I don't believe is going to help the people this thread was originally started for.

Then according to your belief in the definition you posted above and your original post do you believe that if someone has a deformed appearance they should be treated differently by society? What is different in your eyes? Would you agree to be shunned by society? To forcefully imprison someone from societies eyes? Should any person who is deformed by your standards be forced at gunpoint to have a surgical procedure or maybe murdered for the greater good?

I and 60% of the worlds male population have developed breasts to one extent or another, assuming as you are reading, researching and commenting on this forum you have to whatever extent developed breasts; then why not end your perceived suffering and have whatever surgical procedure you desire. Then should you survive you would be free to spread your hatred of those you perceive as different from whatever norm you believe others should conform to.    
Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: annoyed30 on August 11, 2012, 02:03:21 PM
If someone doesnt like their "natural, deformed, whatever you want to call them" breasts then they have the power to have surgery, accept it, or hide it....so i agree with monkey.  I dont see what the arguments about.  Normal is what society percieves.  Thats how it becomes the term "normal"

Anyways, to try and help out my man monkey, i will get back on topic.  I have probably purchased about 8-10 different types of compression garments over the last couple years.  I really like some of underworks stuff but the problem i ran into was the garments showing through when you wear a t-shirt

I think the gc2 compression tank worked best for me.  It is virtually undetectable under even a thin shirt.  Only problem is that it loses its compression after a couple months.  Also, i dont know that it would work really well for someone with moderate gynecomastia. I had a mild case and it worked perfect for me.  However, i just had surgery a week ago so hopefully after a month of the doctors compression vests, I will never need them again!!!!
Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: Xavier on August 11, 2012, 03:07:16 PM
Sorry guys, but the acceptance forum is over here: http://www.gynecomastia.org/smf/17/

With that said, it's OK if you want to accept it, but most people here are young and advising them to accept it or telling them having breasts is normal, is just dangerous.
Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: TigerPaws on August 11, 2012, 10:19:30 PM
Sorry guys, but the acceptance forum is over here: http://www.gynecomastia.org/smf/17/

With that said, it's OK if you want to accept it, but most people here are young and advising them to accept it or telling them having breasts is normal, is just dangerous.

"dangerous" is an interesting term for something that will not physically harm you.
Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: hammer on August 12, 2012, 09:28:17 AM
Sorry guys, but the acceptance forum is over here: http://www.gynecomastia.org/smf/17/

With that said, it's OK if you want to accept it, but most people here are young and advising them to accept it or telling them having breasts is normal, is just dangerous.

"dangerous" is an interesting term for something that will not physically harm you.


TigerPaws, do you remember my post when I referred to the younger generation being the ( gold star generation ) ?

Everyone makes the team even though they suck! They even get a gold star or trophy!
Everyone gets a gold star even though they failed, we don't want to cause emotional harm!
Don't use red pen correcting papers as red is demeaning!
They show up for work in flip flops and ripped jeans, and one hour late and want there gold star!

They can't handle the pimple on the face, rejection, or the truth for that matter!

DON'T GET ME WRONG, NOT ALL YOUNG PEOPLE FIT IN THIS DISCRIPTION, HOWEVER, MANY DO, AND YOU MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW WHO YOU ARE!

WITH ALL THIS SAID, IT IS EACH PERSONS RIGHT TO ACCEPT, OR REJECT THIS CONDITION, AND WE MUST RESPECT THAT AND OFFER SUPPORT EITHER WAY OR NOT POST ON THE TREADS THAT WE DISAGREE WITH. I KNOW THAT THIS IS HARD TO DO! SOME OF THE PEOPLE HAVE IDEAS THAT ( I have been to collage, I have knowlage, what the hell do you even know )? THEN WE HAVE US OLD FARTS WHO HAVE BEEN THERE, DONE IT AND HAVE LIVED IT! There was a time we would not pay any attention to anyone either.

If I have offended anyone, oh well, that is life, you will get over it!

I will support you if you plan to have surgery, but don't whine if you feel that you made a bad decision, as it was your decision no one was forcing you to do it, if you plan to accept it I will also suport as well, it is your life and your decision and we are here to support each other.

Sorry for the long rant, it time to move on and stop the fight!


Bob aka Hammer
Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: Monkey83 on August 12, 2012, 11:10:29 AM
Then according to your belief in the definition you posted above and your original post do you believe that if someone has a deformed appearance they should be treated differently by society? What is different in your eyes? Would you agree to be shunned by society? To forcefully imprison someone from societies eyes? Should any person who is deformed by your standards be forced at gunpoint to have a surgical procedure or maybe murdered for the greater good?

I and 60% of the worlds male population have developed breasts to one extent or another, assuming as you are reading, researching and commenting on this forum you have to whatever extent developed breasts; then why not end your perceived suffering and have whatever surgical procedure you desire. Then should you survive you would be free to spread your hatred of those you perceive as different from whatever norm you believe others should conform to.    
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Thanks annoyed30, Xavier for attempting to put out the flames here.

I wasn't going to reply any more to this thread, but I feel compelled to do so since, the bigotry and the Nazi card have been played.

Every mammal has breast tissue which is normal. However, excessive or palpable breast tissue in men (Man breasts) is not normal. It is "Dangerous" to advise kids that it is normal, because that does not fall within the capacity of social norms. Unfortunately, this matters in terms of a child's social development. Also, to clarify, while I am stating that it is a deformity and that it is not normal, I am not saying that it wrong or that a person's self esteem should be affected. I am simply saying it is a problem, we are all dealing with it, so let's not be delusional and be as objective as possible.

I understand that there are people who are hypersensitive about this, but that's no reason to set kids up for failure. There is a reasonable surgical procedure to get rid of this. Kids should be screened for it as soon as possible, and then it should be corrected. The reality is, for all of us who have lived with this into their 30's and 40's someone or some thing failed us along the way. It's psychologically and emotionally traumatic for most of us who have it, and we should treat it as legitimate medical issue. Just for the record, anyone of you who keeps preaching the "it's normal, I am old and have lived life, you don't have to have surgery mantra" are perpetuating the same unhealthy attitudes that parents have when not confronting the issue with their kids and allow them to go through life with this condition.

I am not saying you are bad people by any means, I think the opposite actually. The fact that you respond so passionately says to me your hearts are in the right place but you perception has to shift to confront the issue objectively.

Do I get a gold star for my essay? :)
Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: hammer on August 12, 2012, 11:54:51 AM
Dr. Jacobs and I tried  to get a letter campaign going to the dr. Oz show in hopes that we could educate society about gynecomastia and also get the surgery covered by insurance companies more. I do not know how many people took the time to do this and you can find these threads somewhere in gynecomastia talk. We had hope to remove the TABOO FROM IT THE SAME WAS IT WAS REMOVED FROM ED.

Us older guys did not have surgery options when we were younger, so we had to learn to live with it or handle things however one did. I had a very good self esteem and self confidence so I lived life to its fullests and never without female friends. In fact, more female then male friends.

I can't speak for all the other older guys, but I have offered to help the younger guys that could not afford surgery work on how they look at them selves. After all there is much, much more that makes up a man then some fat, breast tissue and skin! It is much like a eating disorder for some of these people that post that are as flat chest as can be! They see something in the mirror that just isn't there, just as the skin and bones anorexic person sees a fat person in the mirror.

As for your gold star? You can decide that!

P.S. No we don't want to set them up for failure, we also do not want to make them into cry babies either!

Our jobs as adults, Moms, Dads mentors ect... Is to raise productive mature adults not children!



Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: bluephiman72 on August 14, 2012, 09:30:47 PM
I completely agree with Monkey. It's amazing how defensive some on this thread became with the notion that gynecomastia is "not normal." We come up with all kinds of misleading, obscure statistics like 60% of men have gynecomastia "of some kind." Well apparently they must have all gone to your high school because when we played shirts and skins in PE, I was the only one with gyno. I was the only one praying I got picked to the shirts team. There is nothing normal about "man boobs."

Monkey is right, there are some super defensive man boobers who are doing a disservice to the thousands of youth who are struggling dealing with this condition. Gynecomastia by definition is an "abnormal development of large mammary glands in males." Sorry if you don't like the definition, but it's a fact. The reason we come to this site and search out support groups is because we know it's not normal and has been difficult to live with. And to suggest that calling it the abnormality that it is makes me unsympathetic to those born with or through service to our country acquired disabilities is nothing but illogical rhetoric.

I have lived with gyno for most of my natural life until May 3, 2012 when I had the "deformity" corrected. I laugh at the statement earlier by another user that they wore compression garments for the comfort of others. LOL! Ridiculous! You wore it for the same reason we all did...years of being self-conscious about how we looked when the fabric of our clothing was too thin, or the wind blew too hard. Self-conscious about how that girl you liked would respond when you took your shirt off.

I feel like a new man since the surgery and have done things I've never done before, such as simply going to Schlitterbahn (a waterpark) and having the time of my life without a second thought about my "breasts." The fact we call them breasts, a female body part, says it all. I've wasted more time responding to the tigerpaw's and hammer's of the world than I wanted to, but wanted to let Monkey know he's not alone and thank him for identifying the issue for what it is.
Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: Paa_Paw on August 14, 2012, 11:20:47 PM
Might I suggest that this thread is in an open general section. If a person has an interest only in surgery, there are several headings for surgery.

All viewpoints are welcomed here.
Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: TigerPaws on August 15, 2012, 02:32:00 PM
Each man is free (at least for now) to do as he pleases, if you believe that surgery will make you a better man then pay your money and take your chances.

But to ignore the simple fact that there are other options is narrow minded at best and a disservice to others who may not share your opinion of what is normal.

Read a little history, not very long ago is was "normal" for blacks to be segregated, it was "normal' for those of Japanese ancestry to be forcibly and illegally inturned in concentration camps, it was "normal" for black people to be held as slaves and to be treated as cattle. All of this and much more was "normal".

What is "normal"? As gynecomastia has many causes, what was "normal" before cosmetic surgery was a viable option?

I find you arguments to be shaded in you own personal beliefs and prejudices, rather than an understanding that there are many possibilities.     
Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: chipc73 on August 21, 2012, 12:29:57 PM
The fact of the matter is gynecomastia is considered a physical deformity. While I salute the fact that there are some people who who would rather accept their condition there are children that are going through the same stuff we went through on here and we have a moral obligation to try and help. I sincerely do appreciate the fact some people are okay with it, but unfortunately that mentality offers no solution.

Gynecomastia is not "normal". Men are not supposed to have feminized breasts, evidenced by the fact that it occurs only when there is a hormonal imbalance or some other factor introduced. I appreciate the spirit behind acceptance, but if anything I think that attitude actually hinders progress.

There are three things you can do with gyne: Accept it, hide it, or have it corrected. In most cases people want to have it corrected, so I think we should have a solution to the issue of appearance within the interim. Especially if there are children who come on here who are desperate for  answers.

Again, I appreciate the spirit of acceptance and salute and respect those who accept it on a personal level. However, I think we should probably drop the ideology that it's normal and society should accept it, and look for more efficient  and reasonable ways of dealing with this traumatic deformity.

I agree with you monkey83, people can be cruel...whether they mean to or not, consciously or sub-consciously... Society and Culture has a whole, has always shunned and rejected people that are different. All boys/men who have gynecomastia growing up, experience it first hand, I certainly have.

My Personal opinion is that if you were born or later developed anything that the majority of the population does not have, it is a deformity.. Deformity by definition is not normal. Why should anybody be put down or told to "Suck it up and just deal with it" on these boards or anywhere else, because we don't/won't except having this deformity?? That is so insensitive, and not anyone's place to try to dictate another's view of one's self..

Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: TigerPaws on August 21, 2012, 07:38:51 PM
The fact of the matter is gynecomastia is considered a physical deformity. While I salute the fact that there are some people who who would rather accept their condition there are children that are going through the same stuff we went through on here and we have a moral obligation to try and help. I sincerely do appreciate the fact some people are okay with it, but unfortunately that mentality offers no solution.

Gynecomastia is not "normal". Men are not supposed to have feminized breasts, evidenced by the fact that it occurs only when there is a hormonal imbalance or some other factor introduced. I appreciate the spirit behind acceptance, but if anything I think that attitude actually hinders progress.

There are three things you can do with gyne: Accept it, hide it, or have it corrected. In most cases people want to have it corrected, so I think we should have a solution to the issue of appearance within the interim. Especially if there are children who come on here who are desperate for  answers.

Again, I appreciate the spirit of acceptance and salute and respect those who accept it on a personal level. However, I think we should probably drop the ideology that it's normal and society should accept it, and look for more efficient  and reasonable ways of dealing with this traumatic deformity.

I agree with you monkey83, people can be cruel...whether they mean to or not, consciously or sub-consciously... Society and Culture has a whole, has always shunned and rejected people that are different. All boys/men who have gynecomastia growing up, experience it first hand, I certainly have.

My Personal opinion is that if you were born or later developed anything that the majority of the population does not have, it is a deformity.. Deformity by definition is not normal. Why should anybody be put down or told to "Suck it up and just deal with it" on these boards or anywhere else, because we don't/won't except having this deformity?? That is so insensitive, and not anyone's place to try to dictate another's view of one's self..


I am not deformed, it seems that your personal view of what is normal is a bit colored buy your own prejudices. Is a person who is born or looses a limb deformed? Are you THAT narrow minded that you can not accept anything that you believe is not in your view "normal"? You said
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Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: y2015 on August 21, 2012, 11:22:02 PM
The fact is, men and women have instinctive biological notions of what is physically desirable and undesirable. This is why certain traits- smooth skin, athleticism, symmetrical faces, etc., are seen as desirable. This is why people are born with a certain sexual orientation they cannot change- because everyone's mind has a rough blueprint in his or her brain of what is and isn't attractive. Some of this is modifiable by society (the clothes we find attractive, what we see as status symbols, etc.), but basic signs of sexual dimorphism (breasts, genitalia, hip and shoulder width) are programmed into us for obvious biological reasons. They allow us to recognize who is the proper sex for mating purposes, and they help us recognize our species alone as mating partners. Traits in men that are recognized as female (large breasts) will never be seen as attractive by most, just as beards will never be seen as generally attractive in women. This does not mean that people with traits characteristic of the opposite sex should be treated badly, but it does mean that they will always be at a distinct disadvantage in terms of how other people (especially potential partners) view them. For young people, this is often very important. Because of our instinctive male and female "blueprints," breasts in males will never be seen as normal or desirable by friends and peers, no matter how much anyone tries to change that. I admire those of you who have learned to live with it, and if it genuinely doesn't bother you, there is absolutely no reason to think about changing it. However, it is important to recognize that having gynecomastia does change the way others see you, and if this is important to you (as it is for most people), it may be worth thinking about surgery.
Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: hammer on August 22, 2012, 08:30:29 AM
I have not said anything for awhile on this but I can not let this go! Y2015 if anyone gets gynecomastia surgery for thereself to help themself for what ever reason that they feel that they need to is fine! That is their individual decision to do so, and I support that.

However, if you think that we need to have the surgery because of what other people think of us, that is crazy at best! (I call your attention to the end of your last post).

If any of us have no problem will living with gynecomastia and others do, that is there problem not ours and we need not worry about them! I only need to please my God and my wife, and if they have no problem, why should anyone else, and why should I or we even care?

The Bible says, when I was hungry you feed me, when I was trusty you gave me a drink, and when I was naked you gave me a coat! I have yet to read when I had gynecomastia you gave me surgery.

There are many things the require surgery to improve quality of life even right from birth and if you read all the post on this forum you will find that there are men here that have been married for many years with many children, such as me! I have fathered 5 and my 3rd grandchild is overdue! I still am very much in love with the mother, grandmother of these kids. If this isn't a good life I don't know what is. So I fail to see that gynecomastia surgery is required to please other people.

As I said before, if you or anyone wishes to get surgery, go for it, but don't tell us that we should to please other people, as we don't need to please anyone but who in important in or own lives!


Bob aka Hammer
Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: TigerPaws on August 22, 2012, 08:33:19 AM
y2015,

While your post was thoughtful and well written, your perspective is skewed by your own prejudices and self image issues.

I know and have known many highly successful men with beards and an equal number of women find them attractive. While having gynecomastia could be seen as a hindrance to you, for me and others it is not. While the pool of women who are not put off by having fully developed breasts is smaller than the general population, it is simply up to the man to seek them out.

The same can be found for anything, some women are put off by smoking, chewing tobacco, being overweight, believing in a different deity  or having gynecomastia.

As with anything, life is what you make of it. If life hands you a basket of lemons, them make lemonade. Or you can wallow in your own self pity, the choice is up to each of us.   
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Post by: hammer on August 22, 2012, 08:35:24 AM
What TigerPaws said! I second it
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Post by: Monkey83 on August 22, 2012, 07:50:48 PM
We get it. You don't view gynecomsatia or any other deformity negatively, neither do we. We are using the word "deformity" without a negative connotation, in it's proper context. The sky is not falling, we are not persecuting the disabled. We are simply stating the facts, in an objective way. This is necessary in order to actually accept the condition as well as to seek out a solution.
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Post by: y2015 on August 23, 2012, 12:43:09 AM
TigerPaws- I said *women* with beards, not men with beards. I am sure there are many attractive men with beards, haha. I gave the example of women with beards as an analogy for how men with breasts are seen by society.

Like Monkey said, obviously we have no problem with people who have gynecomastia- we suffer/suffered from this problem ourselves. And I don't doubt you have too- otherwise I don't see why you would be on this forum. For myself, I think that getting rid of the gynecomastia is a better option than teaching myself to live with it, because I think that it will always continue to bother me, at least a little bit. I see surgery for gynecomastia as similar to surgery for a cleft lip- it's a simple way to get rid of something that will otherwise inevitably cause the person who has it some social trouble, even though it is not really a health risk.

You all seem to have succeeded despite your gynecomastia, which I think is great. If I were in your situation, and I already had a family and grandchildren, I would probably not care about surgery either. It seems most older men have at least mild gynecomastia! As a young man, though, gynecomastia has caused me a lot of trouble, and there's really no reason I should force myself to keep on dealing with it.
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Post by: TigerPaws on August 23, 2012, 07:28:15 AM
TigerPaws- I said *women* with beards, not men with beards. I am sure there are many attractive men with beards, haha. I gave the example of women with beards as an analogy for how men with breasts are seen by society.

LoL! I guess my age is showing, I simply cannot get used to writing on these silly little tablets. I should stick to a full size keyboard.
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Post by: TigerPaws on August 23, 2012, 07:48:01 AM
We get it. You don't view gynecomsatia or any other deformity negatively, neither do we. We are using the word "deformity" without a negative connotation, in it's proper context. The sky is not falling, we are not persecuting the disabled. We are simply stating the facts, in an objective way. This is necessary in order to actually accept the condition as well as to seek out a solution.
"Facts" as you call it are subject to interpretation, gynecomastia is not a deformity, abnormality or disability. A man can not die or fail to function personally or in society with gynecomastia.

If a man chooses to have a purely cosmetic surgery then that is his choice and he will live with what happens afterword, be that good, bad or tragic.

I have often read on this forum that men are asking for "support", well support comes from a quality compression garment be that a bra or something else.

Sympathy is located in the dictionary between Shit and Syphilis.

People need to grow up and take control of their life, to make decisions for themselves and to stop looking to others for answers and Sympathy.

Information is what people need and answers to their questions so that they are able to make an intelligent, informed decision.

Crying, whoa is me because I have itty-bitty-tities (or in some cases not so itty-bitty) is at best self defeating and self destructive.        
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Post by: Monkey83 on August 23, 2012, 10:42:22 AM
I love how the theme of every one of your posts seems to be that facts are open to interpretation, and somehow the definitions of words are rough guidelines to follow at best. Just because you do not personally identify subjectively with the idea that gynecomastia is a deformity, does not make you right. Look up the definition of "deformity" and look up the definition of "abnormal" and then look up the definition of "fact". The fact is you are wrong, it's not open to interpretation, and ALL of the evidence backs up my previous statements. If you choose to deny facts, fine. Just don't don't spew it on to every thread. But just for the sake of argument, how about you show all of us some legitimate evidence that shows that it is not a deformity? Or how about that it is normal? And not in an anecdotal way, a factual way. There is a mountain of evidence that I can quote to prove what I am saying, I think you will find it a little more difficult.
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Post by: TigerPaws on August 23, 2012, 03:01:33 PM
I love how the theme of every one of your posts seems to be that facts are open to interpretation, and somehow the definitions of words are rough guidelines to follow at best. Just because you do not personally identify subjectively with the idea that gynecomastia is a deformity, does not make you right. Look up the definition of "deformity" and look up the definition of "abnormal" and then look up the definition of "fact". The fact is you are wrong, it's not open to interpretation, and ALL of the evidence backs up my previous statements. If you choose to deny facts, fine. Just don't don't spew it on to every thread. But just for the sake of argument, how about you show all of us some legitimate evidence that shows that it is not a deformity? Or how about that it is normal? And not in an anecdotal way, a factual way. There is a mountain of evidence that I can quote to prove what I am saying, I think you will find it a little more difficult.
I ask again "What is Normal"? Is being shorter than the global average "abnormal and therefore deformed"? Is being taller than the global average "abnormal and therefore deformed"? There are many "normals" it depends on where you are in the world.

What in your opinion is a deformity? How do you define "normal". Dictionaries and definitions have been changed over time, so which definition do you cling to?

Gynecomastia has been around for many tens of thousands of years, it is only in the past few years that there has been a surgical procedures to change a persons appearance. Be that for larger breasts, a smaller nose or for gynecomastia.

Are you saying that for tens of thousands of years men have been deformed by something as natural as enlarged breast tissue?  
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Post by: Z31T on August 23, 2012, 08:27:06 PM
- I look at forum board
- see that the last post was made by TigerPaws
- I bet myself that a heated argument is going on
- click on thread
- 100% correct
- some things never change
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Post by: annoyed30 on August 23, 2012, 11:25:27 PM
- I look at forum board
- see that the last post was made by TigerPaws
- I bet myself that a heated argument is going on
- click on thread
- 100% correct
- some things never change


HAHAHAHAHA
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Post by: cduub on August 25, 2012, 01:19:00 AM
LOOOOOL!!!!!! Tigerpaw i wish he would leave,he always causes problems on this site!!!! And Im new here smh
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Post by: TigerPaws on August 25, 2012, 04:30:00 PM
LOOOOOL!!!!!! Tigerpaw i wish he would leave,he always causes problems on this site!!!! And Im new here smh

LoL! Keep on wishing, who knows maybe someday your wishes will come true. Just be careful what you wish for because you might actually get it. 
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Post by: cduub on August 26, 2012, 03:46:34 PM
LOOOOOL!!!!!! Tigerpaw i wish he would leave,he always causes problems on this site!!!! And Im new here smh

LoL! Keep on wishing, who knows maybe someday your wishes will come true. Just be careful what you wish for because you might actually get it. 

Well grant my wish and go!!!
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Post by: TigerPaws on August 26, 2012, 04:24:01 PM
LOOOOOL!!!!!! Tigerpaw i wish he would leave,he always causes problems on this site!!!! And Im new here smh

LoL! Keep on wishing, who knows maybe someday your wishes will come true. Just be careful what you wish for because you might actually get it. 

Well grant my wish and go!!!

You need a genie not a West Point Graduate.  
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Post by: TigerPaws on August 27, 2012, 11:21:18 AM
Fill your bowl to the brim and it will spill.  Keep sharpening your knife and it will blunt.  Chase after money and security and your heart will never unclench. Care about people‚Äôs approval and you will be their prisoner. 
- Tao Te Ching


Keep away from people who try to belittle you. Small people always do that, the really great (people) make you feel great too.
-  Mark Twain
Title: Re: Wear this combo, it works.
Post by: Monkey83 on August 27, 2012, 12:46:11 PM
Dig the quotes TigerPaws. This is a place where everyone is welcome even if they have differing opinions. Anyone know how to delete a thread? This has caused too much strife.
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Post by: hammer on August 27, 2012, 04:03:54 PM
I beleave that the person that started the thread has the option to delete the thread.  Look at the bottom tool bar when you are signed into the thread. I looked at one of my own threads and there is a red area at the bottom with a X though it that says remove or delete thead. I have not tried it, but that may work.


Bob aka Hammer
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Post by: Z31T on August 27, 2012, 09:47:39 PM
I just typed and deleted about 12 things I really wanted to say but would just be counterproductive, make this situation worse, and just not worth it. Against all will, I'm keeping my mouth shut.
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Post by: ms123 on December 27, 2013, 03:32:48 PM
I would say having astigmatism is a deformity (or Wikipedia calls it an "optical defect") but I would also say it is very common. I wouldn't say it's "normal". Either way, gynecomastia falls in to this exact same category. You can ignore it, "hide" it (with glasses/contact lenses) or correct it (with surgery). If you are sick of hiding it, consider surgery.
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Post by: Paa_Paw on December 28, 2013, 02:35:39 AM
This is a funny, almost comical, topic.

Statistically, men who never in their lives experience any breast enlargement are in the minority. If anyone is deformed, it is those who are perpetually flat chested.
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Post by: hammer on December 28, 2013, 10:57:15 AM
You know Paa_Paw I have in resent time heard young women talk about men that are flat chested being unattractive because they do not look chiseled! They are just flat! Men that have curves look better because they are chiseled or I think they might mean unique!
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Post by: jay adams on December 28, 2013, 01:21:58 PM
What's happening to this site? Isn't this a safe haven for guys to express how gynecomastia is effecting them. To the op, I felt deformed before surgery, but that's me. Guys like hammer have learned to except his situation. That takes a lot of heart. So, to say he or others who have learned to except their bodies are deformed is a cold lable. That's from a respect point of view.

On the other side, people come to this site to find solutions to something that is destroying them in a mental way. You can't tell us its normal when we came here for help. We all need to respect what others our going through even if it's not our own point of view.

This is the best site for dealing with gynecomastia. Lets keep all the channels open for the new generation.
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Post by: craftspace234 on January 04, 2014, 08:58:25 PM
Sorry guys, but the acceptance forum is over here: http://www.gynecomastia.org/smf/17/

With that said, it's OK if you want to accept it, but most people here are young and advising them to accept it or telling them having breasts is normal, is just dangerous.

Lmao this^

Go to the acceptance section if you wanna talk about that. Stop bringing up these stupid debates about acceptance. As you can see, it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Go to the acceptance section lol