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Title: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: GynoVict1m on January 24, 2005, 01:25:10 PM
I know this is a very rough topic to talk about, but through different screenings, I am well aware of my clinical depression. Lately, the thought of suicide has been racing through my mind. I know it probably wont happen, but its there. Ive also heard on this board of other users who have spoke about it.

Im not looking for sympathy, but besides my gyne, I have a line of freckles running up my shoulder and up my neck. But only on the right side of my body, not the left. This is another thing that brings me down alot.

Even if I were to get rid of my gyne, I still wouldn't be able to take my shirt off in public.

ASIDE from that ranting, does anyone else ever have the thought of suicide in their mind from their gyne?

I think this would be a good topic to express your feelings
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: metsn2005 on January 24, 2005, 01:54:41 PM
yea ive been clinically depressed since i was 10, although I think a lot of that had to do with my parents convincing me I was depressed. This was around the time I started to get a little chubby, although I attribute that to the medecines I was put on. Anyway, I never thought about killing myself until the last 2 years. Usually it is just a fleeting thought when I am especially upset about something, but more recently it has been about my gyne. I will get all worked up at night, then look in the mirror and my gyne will take over my thoughts. I originally had an appointment for last tuesday to get my gyne checked out, but I had just recently quit smoking weed, so for some dumb reason I decided to wait until my yearly checkup, which is on february second. I think quiting weed had some sort of placebo affect and the first couple days I thought that my glandular gyne was getting smaller. Now it only seems to be growing and I am trying to make it through to feb 2nd. The worst part about all of this is it really does seeem to be getting much bigger. It is now all around my breast, not just my aerola, and makes its way to my armpit. A lot of the time I wish it is cancer and that I would just die already. Or that I would just collapse one day and wake up after surgery to get rid of some giant tumor on my chest, and my chest is normal and I can wear white tees. I was really full of hope when I quite smoking, but it seems to almost have the opposite effect that i was hoping for, and now I routinely think about dying etc at night when I look at myself and get all worked up. It used to be about my yellow teeth(which I know know are not yellow, just not perfect white like models), or my genital size(i was late going through puberty, and i am fine now in that department). I hope that makes sense, was kind of a rant.
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: crabby5 on January 24, 2005, 02:45:56 PM
Are you guys religious?  Once you get God, you realize this superficial stuff really isn't of any importance in the long run.  It may be a bother, but no reason to kill yourself!
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: metsn2005 on January 24, 2005, 03:39:31 PM
no offense, but i believe organised religion is awful. I would never be religious. Especially christianity, judaism, islam etc. Maybe buddhism etc thats more about the individual.. but still.. i dont like religion and never will.
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: Grandpa Bambu on January 24, 2005, 04:20:52 PM
I have always hated my Gyne but never contemplated suicide because of it. Why end your life when there is a surgical proceedure to correct the disfigurement.

There is so much to live for! Have the surgery and live life Large!  ;) :D ;)

John.
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: hypo on January 24, 2005, 04:21:28 PM
This has no relevance as such, but it makes you think a little and perhaps makes you act in a kinder way to yourself...which is no bad thing.

DESIDERATA
Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
And remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible without surrender
be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly & clearly;
and listen to others,
even the dull & ignorant;
they too have their story.
Avoid loud & aggressive persons,
they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others,
you may become vain & bitter;
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.
Keep interested in your own career, however humble;
it is a real possession in the changing future of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs;
for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;
many persons strive for high ideals;
and everywhere life is full of heroism.

Be yourself.
Especially, do not feign affection.
Neither be cynical about love;
for in the face of all aridity & disenchantment
it is perennial as the grass.
Take kindly the counsel of the years,
gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
But do not distress yourself with imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue & loneliness.
Beyond wholesome discipline,
be gentle with yourself.
You are a child of the universe,
no less than the trees & the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.
Therefore be at peace with God,
whatever you conceive Him to be,
and whatever your labours & aspirations,
in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.
With all its sham, drudgery & broken dreams,
it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful.
Strive to be happy.
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: Spleen on January 24, 2005, 04:33:43 PM
You need psychological counseling.  Your problem isn't really gynecomastia at all.  I've had it for better than 20 years and I'm as happy as a clam.  It's hardly a formula for unhappiness.

It's time to get some help and figure out if it's chemistry, attitude or your personal history that has you thinking wrong.  
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: jc71 on January 24, 2005, 05:23:17 PM
I think it's easy to think about suicide, especially when you're in your late teens and your body is so important. It's really easy to think about it more when you've invested alot of time and committment to a diet and exercise program and it doesn't get rid of the gyne. It's easy to feel so much different than others.

I agree with crabby, religion (for me) helps me realize this condition is no reason to kill yourself, and there is no reason to be.......crabby. ;) ;)
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: hypo on January 24, 2005, 06:18:19 PM
Spleen quote
Your problem isn't really gynecomastia at all
Unquote

This is an awful and simplistic diagnosis that may (probably) be entirely wrong!!!!!!!!

Spleen quote
I've had it for better than 20 years and I'm as happy as a clam.
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I think that is really great spleen, but that is fairly unusual.  Most people with gynecomastia do not feel "happy as a clam"!!!!!!!!!!  

Most people feel very unhappy about it and want to have it disappear.

If you are one of the people who have chosen to deal with it in a different way and live with it, I say all power to you.  But we are all individuals and you should realize that many people feel differently, perhaps more strongly than yourself or maybe even face a greater degree of psychological distress from the condition.

I should add that 10% of all gynecomastia sufferers have testosterone deficiency (hypogonadism) and one the resulting symptoms from this biochemical deficiency is depression.

So it is very important to not be quick to judge.
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: headheldhigh01 on January 24, 2005, 07:09:21 PM
yeah, based on that questionnaire/poll i did some time back, i'd say the vast majority of us suffers significant depression (surprise).  

suicide never really occurred to me much till things went utterly bollox with my girlfriend, though not so much now.  the weird thing is, if you read and believe the near death experience stories, which i have, you realize it doesn't make your problems go away and leaves you worse off instead of better >:(

that desiderata has always been a true piece of wisdom however.  
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: doddy on January 25, 2005, 05:11:42 AM
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Are you guys religious?  Once you get God, you realize this superficial stuff really isn't of any importance in the long run.  It may be a bother, but no reason to kill yourself!


Please keep your proselytizing to yourself. Even if "God" does exist - why would he have let us get this problem in the first place? And that's ignoring how small our problem is compared to worldwide things like poverty etc.
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: jc71 on January 25, 2005, 07:45:56 AM
As i've said before, I don't think God "gave" us this condition.  I think he gave us the medical community (Doctors, Plastic Surgeons and Endocrinologists (all dr's) to help us get rid of it.

Just a different and certainly more beneficial way of looking at Gods involvement.....if he's involved at all.
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: doddy on January 25, 2005, 08:49:55 AM
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As i've said before, I don't think God "gave" us this condition.  I think he gave us the Plastic Surgeons and Endocrinologists to help us get rid of it.

Just a different and certainly more beneficial way of looking at Gods involvement.....if any.


Wow, what a great benevolent AND omnipotent "God".. it's fully within his power to stop us having gyne (after all, he IS all powerful).. but no, he made it that much harder by giving us P-Surgeons.. requiring time, money and embarrassment.

What a just "God".
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: jc71 on January 25, 2005, 09:53:57 AM
Okay Dotty, Like I said, this way of looking at gyne works for ME. I never said it'll work for you or even should be considered by you. I'll continue to look at life in a way that supports me. I'm sure you do the same.

C'mon man.  If we don't really know what is, at least we can look at things in whatever way supports us individually.  You do your thing, i'll do mine.
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: jc71 on January 25, 2005, 12:27:21 PM
yeah sickofgyne, it's just like that. :-/ :-/

He also gave Harry Truman a vision to drop it on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: doddy on January 25, 2005, 12:41:15 PM
Yes, but then again - he also gave us both World Wars in general, the Holocaust, Stalin's Russia, Mussolini's Italy, Vietnam, etc etc. The list is endless.
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: GynoVict1m on January 25, 2005, 12:42:50 PM
Jeez, how did a talk about suicide turn into a discussion about nuclear bombs   :D
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: Spleen on January 25, 2005, 12:51:24 PM
Hypo,

The originator of this post admits that he has clinical depression.  He also states that he has other issues about his body that, absent gynecomastia, would cause him to be distressed.  Perhaps you might blame your psychological frailties on your chest, but it seems like our friend GynoVict1m has bigger fish to fry than just his boobs.

I don't like my chest and look forward to correcting it now that I have the $$$ and interest in doing so.  Notwithstanding this unfortunate physical manifestation, I haven't let it get in the way of a good time.  My feeling is that if we work on developing more confidence and stop being quite so sensitive many of the people here might lead considerably happier existences no matter  what  their perceived inadequacies might be.  One thing I will not do, particularly in this forum, will be to encourage feelings of shame, embarassment, humiliation and powerlessness and especially hopelessness.  
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: GynoVict1m on January 25, 2005, 01:24:56 PM
I have a wierd case of freckles which i apparently got from my trip to bermuda. I have freckles on my right arm (not near my bicep) and then it runs on my should and up my neck. It runs perfectly up my should+neck in line.
Yet, my left shoulder + arm is perfectly normal.

Its very embarrassing, and I am going to try a cream for freckles from walgreens, and take these b4stards off.

Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: Boobs on January 25, 2005, 04:53:46 PM
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Yes, but then again - he also gave us both World Wars in general, the Holocaust, Stalin's Russia, Mussolini's Italy, Vietnam, etc etc. The list is endless.


You say that God does not exist because there is evil and suffering. These are all conditions caused by sinful man and not God's intended plans for us. Just because evil and pain exists does not mean that God does not.  God wants us to be free from our suffering, but allows us to live with it because we are autonomous beings with the capacity to make our own choices (whether that is to obey God or kill another human being). Fortunately, God uses pain so that we might learn from our mistakes, help others,  and look to Him for our strength.
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: jc71 on January 25, 2005, 05:07:50 PM
Boobs, I agree with you 1000%, well said my friend.

I'll NEVER push my religious beliefs on others as what works for some may not work for others.  I wouldn't want anyone to do that to me so I don't do it to them. It's a loosing battle and probably not appropriate for gyne.org ;)

gynevict1m - Your question was, "does anyone have suicidal thoughts caused by their gyne?"  I don't anymore but I certainly did 10 years ago.  I believe it was caused by my feelings of hopelessness with being able to get rid of gyne.  Hang in there kid! ;) And, ah, sorry about all the atomic bomb posts I had earlier.  ;)
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: hypo on January 25, 2005, 05:08:59 PM
Spleen,

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The originator of this post admits that he has clinical depression.  He also states that he has other issues about his body that, absent gynecomastia, would cause him to be distressed.  
Unquote

Gynecomastia of itself can cause clinical depression, whether this is the case for gynovictim I don’t know.  I think he should see an endocrinologist regarding the gynecomatsia and rule out any underlying condition for the gynecomastia and the depression first.  If needs be- he should of course then see a counsellor irrespective of the nature of his issues.

Gynecomastia can be a symptom of an underlying and more serious problem such as testosterone deficiency, as it was with me.  Much of my depression was a biochemical reaction due to a lack of testosterone and the gynecomastia was an associated condition/symptom that was missed for 13 years.

Would you have told me I had bigger fish to fry?

Not that this is necessarily the problems here, but it does show you that gynecomastia is not as simple a problem as you paint.

Even excluding underlying conditions, each person is affected differently by gynecomastia, some people are psychologically very badly hit others not so bad.  You said you have been “happy as a clam”, well that’s just peachy for you, it really is! Obviously it has not affected you as badly as it has affected others, myself for instance. But you should not try to judge others based on your own experience, we are all different, it is important to understand this and show sensitivity.  

For me gynecomastia has affected me psychologically worse than cancer has, which I have had twice.  Now does that throw a spanner into your works regarding your theory as how we should all deal with this condition?  Stop trying to psychologically homogenise us all into one simple single way of handling this condition, because you are titling at windmills my friend.  

You later said quote

One thing I will not do, particularly in this forum, will be to encourage feelings of shame, embarassment, humiliation and powerlessness and especially hopelessness.

Really well what was this Quote about then?

Spleen quote
Perhaps you might blame your psychological frailties on your chest, but it seems like our friend GynoVict1m has bigger fish to fry than just his boobs.
Unquote

Please do not insult either my intelligence or my character which such a slur.  Psychological frailties indeed, you would need WMD to take me out!!

I am psychologically affected by gynecomastia.  But I am not psychologically frail, I am psychologically one of the strongest people you will ever speak to.  

I went through liver cancer at 17 and had two thirds of my liver removed in a ten and a half hour operation and had follow up chemotherapy.  I overcame that and became an award winning computer software designer and producer and ran muti-million pound budgets until I had bladder cancer ten years later.  I came through that and qualified as a tennis coach until my arm gave out due to osteochondritis, thanks to long term undiagnosed testosterone deficiency.  I had to bring gynecomastia to the attention of my doctors and detail the link to testosterone deficiency, something I’d found via my own research.  It was only then that I was diagnosed as having testosterone deficiency after about 13 years.  I now have osteochondritis in one arm and early osteoporosis in my spine, both of which could have been avoided had testosterone deficiency been discovered after my chemotherapy for my original cancer.  The one early symptom of testosterone deficiency in my case was……..gynecomastia.


Again I ask you, given my clinical depression would you have said to me- I had bigger fish to fry?

Spleen quote about gynecomastia
It's hardly a formula for unhappiness.
Unquote

Plain wrong, for many people it is exactly that.  The days of gynecomastia being treated simply as a cosmetic condition are dwindling.  

Quote from the AACE American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists.

Many men have psychological problems resulting from gynecomastia.  The problem should be taken seriously and discussed with the patient.  A breast reduction surgical  procedure is often required for psychological well-being.
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: Boobs on January 25, 2005, 05:14:56 PM
Personally, I don't have a problem with talking to others about my religious beliefs. Now, I would never force someone to accept them because that defeats the purpose of making a free choice, but I think that if you truly believe something (as I do in Christianity) that you should be willing to tell other people about it. For me, it's like winning the lottery and not letting anyone know about it. If you got something that great why wouldn't you want to shout it from a mountaintop. Take care.  ;)
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: doddy on January 26, 2005, 09:37:53 AM
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You say that God does not exist because there is evil and suffering. These are all conditions caused by sinful man and not God's intended plans for us. Just because evil and pain exists does not mean that God does not.  God wants us to be free from our suffering, but allows us to live with it because we are autonomous beings with the capacity to make our own choices (whether that is to obey God or kill another human being). Fortunately, God uses pain so that we might learn from our mistakes, help others,  and look to Him for our strength.


Yes, I've heard the free will argument. Still not convincing. The fact is, your God cannot satisfy the definitions of both omnipotence and benevolence that you have given him.

But I'll address your point that suffering is caused by "sinful man". How about, to take a recent example - the tsunami? Clearly, that suffering was not caused by "sinful man". That was caused by "sinful nature" - nature that as an omnipotent being, God has total control over, and one would assume, as a benevolent being, he would insure that it did not strike causing such devestation.

Furthermore - the omniscient nature of God poses yet more problems for his existence, when combined with benevolence. When God created the world, according to your definitions (omniscient), he could see as far into the future as eternity. Therefore, he created the world perfectly aware that this suffering (whether its caused by "sinful man" or not) would occur - yet he still created the world.

Why? Had he not created it, he wouldn't be around to know what we were missing out on anyway. So, did he create it for some sort of personal amusement? Apparently so. To conclude; God created the world fully aware of the Holocaust to come etc. Sounds like an not a nice person to me.
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: Boobs on January 26, 2005, 12:49:49 PM
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Yes, I've heard the free will argument. Still not convincing. The fact is, your God cannot satisfy the definitions of both omnipotence and benevolence that you have given him.

But I'll address your point that suffering is caused by "sinful man". How about, to take a recent example - the tsunami? Clearly, that suffering was not caused by "sinful man". That was caused by "sinful nature" - nature that as an omnipotent being, God has total control over, and one would assume, as a benevolent being, he would insure that it did not strike causing such devestation.

Furthermore - the omniscient nature of God poses yet more problems for his existence, when combined with benevolence. When God created the world, according to your definitions (omniscient), he could see as far into the future as eternity. Therefore, he created the world perfectly aware that this suffering (whether its caused by "sinful man" or not) would occur - yet he still created the world.

Why? Had he not created it, he wouldn't be around to know what we were missing out on anyway. So, did he create it for some sort of personal amusement? Apparently so. To conclude; God created the world fully aware of the Holocaust to come etc. Sounds like an not a nice person to me.


Hey doddy, sometimes I just can't resist responding, but I don't want to make this thread into a religious debate, so if you want to talk further or something you can message me. Here goes...

You cannot create an argument that just because God is love and is all powerful that He cannot exist because there is evil in the world. In the first place, when God created the world He did not say it was perfect. He just said it was "very good." Infact, He said it was not good at one point.  He knew that there would be a Holocaust. This world is designed as a temporary place in which human beings are given the free choice whether to recieve or reject God for eternity and along with that comes the consequences of that choice.  And yes, He created the world for His pleasure. He didn't create it so He could amuse Himself with the suffering of mankind, but He created it so that He could enter into a loving relationship with man (which is only possible if man is given a choice to reject or recieve God).

I'm sure that if you designed the world there would be no land since plate tectonics is a "natural evil." The fact is that plate tectonics and the earthquakes that result are essential to the formation of land. Wouldn't it be a little weird if God just created fish in His own image and not man? If you believe in evolution you can be thankful that we don't live some billion years in the past when plate tectonics was many times greater.  :D



Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: Paa_Paw on January 26, 2005, 06:32:11 PM
The original question was about contemplation of suicide.

I never contemplated suicide, and I attribute that to my Christian faith. That faith instills hope. Hopelessness leads to suicide. If you'd like to know more, send a personal message.

Other people feel differently, so?

I find it futile to whip a dead horse. which is what most arguements about faith become.
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: Spleen on January 27, 2005, 09:49:00 AM
Hypo,

Spleen quote
Perhaps you might blame your psychological frailties on your chest, but it seems like our friend GynoVict1m has bigger fish to fry than just his boobs.
Unquote

You are right to be insulted by this.  I meant to address it in the third person, and didn't mean to direct it any one person like yourself.  Reading it it does sound like a personal attack and I didn't mean it as such.  Sorry about that.

Rather than submit a point by point rebuttal, I'll get right to the point.  And for the sake of this discussion I wish to exclude folks who severe cases, in particular those folks that have gynecomastia because of an illness, genetic disease, etc.  My comments are really directed to guys that have plain old gynecomastia which I think is a pretty solid majority.

What troubles me as I read this forum is that I see almost no positive stories or experiences about dealing with gynecomastia aside from it's post-surgical correction.  I do see a lot of negativity, self-pity and in the case of a suicidal person, utter hopelessness.  My position is that while no one likes having gynecomastia (including me) it doesn't have to be the kiss of death.  In and of itself it will not make you a misfit or a pariah.  When I see an account of someone who is missing out on important social activities, or afraid to pursue romance, or worse yet wants to kill themself, I think it's important to say that life can be lived happily and successfully.  When I see a "woe is me" post  followed by a series of "me too" s I can't help but think that while sharing similar experiences may provide a sense of solace, it's also an endorsement of the attitude that gynecomastia=misery.

A lot of the guys that post and read here are young and have the usual self-confidence problems that teens have.  Anyone can feel like a misfit growing up.  However, if one can corral their emotions and act confidently, if they can confront their fear they might realize that in the time between today and the day that they correct their appearance (if they choose to do so) they can live a more robust and rewarding existence.  It may not be an easy thing to do, but I challenge these young men to do it because the alternative is maintaining an unhappy status quo.
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: Paa_Paw on January 27, 2005, 02:17:21 PM
Well said Spleen.
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: hypo on January 27, 2005, 03:02:57 PM
Spleen,

I accept what you said regarding myself, I can see now how you could have meant it in exactly the way you explain- forget it.

The problem I feel is that while there is much sense in what you say, there is also danger in it.

You are painting with too broad a brush, in general your sentiment is most agreeable, but their are a significant minority of people for whom your words are positively dangerous and you have no idea as too who these people are.

I asked that question as it related to me 13 years ago.

Did I have bigger things to fry given my depression?

I would have just been a teenager with depression and gynecomastia.

Your words would have been a travesty to me, totally wrong, entirely unhelpful and would have reinforced the entirely wrong idea that there was nothing wrong with me and made me feel worse to think that.  When in fact there was something very wrong.

Those words to the wrong person could cause all manner of problems.  A lack of sensitivity could cause someone to do something drastic.  Alternatively there could be someone in my shoes with the same problem who is on the verge of seeing an endocrinologist, you could put them off doing that and they may not have their problems diagnosed for 13 years, as happened with me.  That could mean you being indirectly responsible for some poor soul developing diabetes or osteoporosis.

You acknowledge a problem yourself when you say quote, “I wish to exclude folks who severe cases, in particular those folks that have gynecomastia because of an illness, genetic disease, etc"

The problem is we do not know who most of these "folks" are.

Many of them are as yet undiagnosed.  

So it is almost impossible when dispensing advise the way you have to differentiate between "those folks" and plain old gynecomastia.

Given that 10% of all gynecomastia cases are caused by hypogonadism- and hypogonadism causes depression.  We are not talking about a small number of people here.

And it just feels a little like Russian roulette to me.  Most of the time you'll probably be right but it's just not worth it- because the times that you’re not the costs are too high.


P.S


I know your sentiments are totally worthy and I do not wish to argue because the one thing I have gathered is that such arguments just polarize opinion and such matters descend into semantics and end up all about “proving ones arguments right”.  Usually to little end worth (I do get into these things but try not to).

Given what I have said I do not expect you to agree but would I would hope you would consider what I have said.  
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: GynoVict1m on January 27, 2005, 03:23:06 PM
Hypo, no offense/disregarding your position on this issue, it seems to me that your in an argument in almost every topic you post in ? ???
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: hypo on January 27, 2005, 04:06:25 PM
No need to apologise.

I try to speak up for the enlightenment of this cause.

With over 25% of gynecomastia sufferers having an underlying condition, I try to speak up for that silent, sometimes hidden minority on this site and try and spot those that have problems and help them.  

I feel from the many, many private messages I have received, that I have helped many people by being here- I feel I have made a difference.

But of course you are entitled to your opinion, maybe you think otherwise, if I’ve upset you in any way I’m sorry, but I would not have changed what I wrote because I feel the points made are more than just valid.

Being sensitive to your opinions I will not post in your threads again.


Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: GynoVict1m on January 28, 2005, 04:57:20 PM
If you read what I actually said, you would have seen that I didn't at all imply I didn't want you too disregard my posts from now on.

I was just wondering why I always saw you in arguments on the forum
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: hypo on January 29, 2005, 02:55:09 AM
Ok, I must have misinterpreted what you meant

That's a fair question, so I'll try and answer it.

When I first came here the word endocrinologist was never mentioned, despite the fact that gynecomastia is a hormone problem and endocrinologists are hormone specialists.  I fought for a cause and was up against a lot of ignorance as to the need for endocrinologists and the need for Hormone testing, which was rarely something that anybody was aware of back then.  Seems hard to believe now.  So that got me into quite a few scrapes.  

I have also tried to champion the potential benefits that alternative therapies can offer for some people when used under the medical guidance of endocrinologists.  Again that is something that has seen quite a few arguments, because some people think that surgery is the one and only answer in all this.

Most recently regarding Andractim I argued with someone about its efficacy in treating gynecomastia.  The individual concerned was stating some very wild notions and scarring people.  It turned out that he was completely mixed up and thought that the dose of dihydrotestosterone in each Andractim dose was 40 times higher than it actually is.  

I have also been very anti steroid abuse as well and that has upset some people.

But I feel that I have brought a lot of information to the site to allow people to make more informed choices and have tried to help people as much as I can.

I have brought a lot of the information relating to the aetiology of gynecomastia, I have brought a lot of information relating the statistical success rates of medical treatments, their side effects and use, a lot of information and resources to inform and help people regarding the associated condition of hypogonadism.  I have helped people where I can with their pathology investigations given my knowledge in this area.  i have found endocrinologists for people right across the US.  I have tried to advise people who have taken steroids how to get their health back on track or at least protect themselves against some of the problems that can occur.  I have helped diagnose people who have hypogonadism and put them in touch with the relevant bodies who can help them and stopped one individual from taking methltestosterone, which has a track record of causing liver tumors.

I have busted my guts to do everything in my power to help people on the site.  Of course I make mistakes, in fact the more you become involved the greater the statistical chance of that happening increases.  If I have done you a disservice in any way then I apologise and if I am not doing as good a job as you think I should- then again I genuinely sorry.
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: revolver on November 28, 2006, 07:26:23 PM
C'mon man.  If we don't really know what is, at least we can look at things in whatever way supports us individually.  You do your thing, i'll do mine.
If you dont know what something is, then find out. Dont immerse yourself in a pile of lies just cuase it makes you feel good. Sooner or later itll all catch up to you.
Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: jackmac on November 28, 2006, 07:50:05 PM
i am depressed as well but i am positive and i think to have maintain my self esteem.

1] i am 100% sure god helps so what ever your religion or faith is be strong about.
2] don't forget to ignore people
3] crying and stuff don't help get over it get off and do something about ur problem
    i know its problem but crying will not help at all do something about it will bring the solution


i still have my boobs and i am planing on removal its been 7yr of mad ride. i been up and down. but i haven't given up of hope to become a normal again and bang all the girls i can find in my way hahaha

so stop feeling helpless and depressed just try to solve your problem do something about it..

for me being strong is the only way out..

so cheer up right now and put some music on and dance. it will be solved.. if you put some effort after it.  ;D

i know mine willl. b/c i have HOPE................................................. 8)


Title: Re: A rough topic - Suicide
Post by: itsgoingdown on November 29, 2006, 05:50:05 PM
Killing your self for gyne, or other life problems is a stupid way to give an end to everything, including you.

I am no expert, no doctor or no professional, but imangine a glass of water halfway full. You are only looking at the empty side, but you need to try and see the full side of the glass. Every single person has problems, has stress and has physical disorders somehow. But solving them makes you greater than others.

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For you doddy,

I am no religious person. But I try to think where am I from.

If you imagine your self, you say your parents have created you somehow.
Now think how did the first atom, the first molecule, and the first creature was created. Everything needs a mother, even the planets.

But there MUST be one thing that is a creator, and has no mother. That is what I call god. This is full logic in my oppinion.