NEW MEMBER SAYING HI

theweeninjaguy

NEW MEMBER SAYING HI
« on: April 05, 2005, 02:38:07 pm »
Hi i've visited this site a fair few times and quoted some of your posts on MUSCLETALK where gyno is a fairly big problem.

incase you've not guessed i have some experience of gyno  in steroid related instancies but also personally from having gyno prior to taking any performance enhancing drugs.

before starting AAS which i started about 18 months ago now - i was 10st 2lb at the time i started, i found a lump in my chest below my nipple. my chest had always been slightly "breasty" but this lump was new - this was 4 years ago. my grandmother and aunts had had breast cancer so i didn't hang about too long in doing to the doctors. the lump was about an inch in diameter  - obviously just didn't notice it for a while! well you don't really think to look for lumps do you?

anyway my doctor had a little feel and told me that this was not uncommon in guy but that generaly it occurs with men who have a higher body fat % and i should lose some weight - now i was about 10% body fat at the time so there was hardly any fat to lose so i was a bit synical. i logged on to here and other forums and found that i probalby had gyno, most likely had had so since puberty actually but the lump had made me more aware of it. i went back to the doctors and asked to be referred to the hospital and my doctor explained that it could take some 6 months for this to be done! i mentioned that i had bupa cover thru work and a big smile appeared on his face! i was in ross hall hospital getting a needle biopsy within a week.

needle biopsy's are really sore and don't let anyone tell you differently - they suck a lump of the er lump thru a 18g needle and into a syringe - it's never ever going to be pain free! and they always miss at least 3 times! think it's a game with them - wait until he's going to hit you then take a good sample! muppits! anyway surgery followed the next week and god did they butcher me! 3000 worth of surgery and i was left will a 70mm long gash below my nipple!! took probalby a month to heal enough for me to train without pain but i was actually back training within a week as it's only the skin that's been cut so stretching excercises like dips and chins are sore but it's only pain! it's not muscular pain!

anyway away i go thinking that's the gyno finished with forever. then in 2003 i find another lump this time above the same nipple! again i went to my doc - i'd changed doctors in between - and she explained again that it was gynocomastia and was not uncommon and yes she'd refer me to the hospital. 6 weeks later i'd heard nothing (the lump had doubled in size in this time to about half an inch in diameter) and knowing that the law had been changed and that a woman with suspected breast cancer must be seen by a consultant within 2 weeks i started to complain! to anyone who would listen! including the news papers - needless to say i was in hospital getting core plugs a week later - core plugs are a spring loaded syringe that has a little extra pulling power for the biopsy! remembering how sore the first biopsy was i took 3 aspirin before going in for the test! wasn't sore but remember guy's aspirin thins your blood and i was wearing a white shirt - took about half an hour for me to stop bleeding! and i looked like it's been shot!!!! lol - paracetamol, that's what you want!!! 3 an hour before the biopsy;)

anyway tests came back saying it was "fatty tissue!" like the first time - so not cancer! wooo hoooo but i'd explained that it was really sore so the operation was scheduled for a month later - remembering my first 70mm long scar i asked for a plastic surgeon to do the operation - you can request this on the nhs - i had to wait 3 months for a plastic surgeon to become available! was a very good choice actally!

the surgery went very well - i had a 10mm scar and due to the small size of the scar and the fact any damage was very local i felt great! was back training later that week - again chins being a bit sore! but i felt great!

a couple weeks later when i was having my wound dressed by the nurse she squezzed my chest and a load of black gunge came out of the hole - it was rank and really stinking! not sore tho - the gunge was sent away and the results came back saying i had necrotising faciitis (sp) (flesh eating bug) i was devastated! back into hospital i went and i saw a normal surgeon who advised that the only way to stop the infection was to totally remove the affected area - the proposal was to remove my left pec and patch it up using a lump of my ars*! now i have a hairy chest and a fluffy ars* and this was NEVER going to look good! years down the gym wasted! god i'm so vane! :D

i asked for a second  opinion from a plastic surgeon - they explained that this would take time and the infection woudl get worse - i didn't care!

a week later the plastic surgeon saw me and seemed to see the whole thing as a challenge! he was going to remove my infected pec thru the 10mm hole he'd  made earlier! the hole would then be cleaned using an acid solution and packed with an alginate which would encourage muscle growth! took 6 weeks for this to fix the problem - the acid washes (eod) were agony and i was on morphine a lot of the time - no training or eating for me! as i wasn't allowed out the house into the "unclean" world outside but 6 weeks later and all was cool - tiny scar - back to the gym trying to get my weights back up!

so for those of you that are interested that's my gyno story!

here's a picture - just after they found the flesh eating bug thing - they stopped me takign photo's after this although it did get much worse as i think they were worried i was collecting evidence to sue them - was actually doing it so i could keep a record of what had happended and cos i like gross stuff! if you look you can actually see the earlier scar below my nipple. the one above was widened to 20mm but once healed it's still only 10mm long:):);)





incidentally i've had gyno a few times on cycle but following the normal (bodybuilding) nolvadex protocol of 60mg day 1, 40mg till the symptoms go away and then 20mg for the rest of your cycle - i'd had no problems  

i've found on MUSCLETALK that if you catch gyno early enough nolvadex will make it totally reverse so although the story above is a bit doom and gloom it's not all bad! this is a worse case senario and i sincerely hope none of you have to go thru it.

now the other thing that may be of use to your guy's is that there are a good few guy's that i know who have had "soft" gyno, like i had since puberty and unlike me they have reversed it without surgery. using knowledge i've gained from this site and others i've advised on MT for about a year on how to reverse gyno with a fair amount of success.  this in fairness may all be knowledge that you guys' have and i know that the majority of what i know is stuff that you will also know. however, having been a guest here for a good year and a bit i felt it was time to show myself.

i would sincerely hope that what i know and what i've learnt can be of use to you and equally i'm hoping that you can teach me a thing of two.

anyway, that's a bit of blurb about me, i'm open to any and all questions so fire away.

ninja ;D

Linkback: https://www.gynecomastia.org/smf/index.php?topic=1013.0

theweeninjaguy

Re: NEW MEMBER SAYING HI
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2005, 03:30:47 pm »
bump!

lol

ninja ;D

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Re: NEW MEMBER SAYING HI
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2005, 04:35:50 pm »
Welcome.

First of all, it's good that you've healed up.  You had a pretty scary complication there and it certainly could have been much worse.

Second, your story is another good example of why it's a bad idea to juice.  If you weren't juicing then maybe you wouldn't have had to have a couple of surgeries and therefore you wouldn't have contracted that necrotic bacterium.  T!ts are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to possible complications from anabolic steroid use.  

As far as Nolvadex as a gyne reversal method, let's not forget that Nolvadex has some pretty bad side effects of their own.  The risk of stroke and pulmonary embolus 3X the normal rate at the top of that list.  Using steroids is dangerous, then using other drugs to reverse the side-effects of steroids is another layer of risk.  Do what you want to your own body, but you might want to think twice about advocating a pretty dangerous drug regimen to some young and desperate kids

theweeninjaguy

Re: NEW MEMBER SAYING HI
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2005, 04:43:28 pm »
ER I HAD GYNO AND GYNO SURGERY BEFORE I TOOK STEROIDS!

i got gyno during puberty as many of the guys on here did.

i'm here to help - if you don't want my help then i'll happily sod off.

ninja ;D

theweeninjaguy

Re: NEW MEMBER SAYING HI
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2005, 04:45:30 pm »
and don't belive the hype about nolvadex and steroids.

open your eyes! nolvadex is used at high doses over long periods of time for cancer in thousands of people!

3 weeks of a moderate nolvadex dose is low risk IMHO

even my own doctor accepts that nolvadex is a valid way of reducing gyno in men! there are medical studies showing just this - i'm shocked at the fact you lot would rather get cut open then try a fairly mild drug with very few side effects for a few months tops!

ninja ;D

theweeninjaguy

Re: NEW MEMBER SAYING HI
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2005, 05:01:24 pm »
spleen mate.

give me 2 months of you doing EXACTLY what i say and i bet you i can reduce your gyno.

i'll minimise the risks and side effects for you. you'll be free to have your liver values checked etc.

surely this is a gamble worth taking?

ninja ;D

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Re: NEW MEMBER SAYING HI
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2005, 05:07:00 pm »
Can someone tell this guy how to size his thread properly.  It's annoying as hell to read.

theweeninjaguy

Re: NEW MEMBER SAYING HI
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2005, 05:09:23 pm »
it's fine on my computer?

waht's up with it?

is it the pictures???

ninja ;D

theweeninjaguy

Re: NEW MEMBER SAYING HI
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2005, 05:10:01 pm »
are they all screwed up or just the first one?

ninja ;D

theweeninjaguy

Re: NEW MEMBER SAYING HI
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2005, 05:13:04 pm »
is that better?

ninja ;D

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Re: NEW MEMBER SAYING HI
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2005, 05:17:20 pm »
Yes, perfect.

theweeninjaguy

Re: NEW MEMBER SAYING HI
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2005, 05:18:17 pm »
seriously - cool

thanks man, think it was just the pics

ninja ;D

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Re: NEW MEMBER SAYING HI
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2005, 09:17:52 am »
Quote
open your eyes! nolvadex is used at high doses over long periods of time for cancer in thousands of people!

3 weeks of a moderate nolvadex dose is low risk IMHO


Cancer patients are prescribed any number of drugs with moderate to severe side-effects because as bad as the drug risks are, they are less than the risks of not treating the cancer.  You wouldn't give a healthy person chemo because of the horrible side effects, but for a cancer patient it makes sense because as bad as the chemo might be it ain't as bad as dying from cancer.

At any rate, IMO the discussion about what drugs work, the risks, etc. is best when it's between a physician and his or her patient.

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Re: NEW MEMBER SAYING HI
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2005, 12:01:54 am »
Thoes pictures are nuts!
$2,800 = Freedom!

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/vaiomanfree/album?.dir=7e36&.src=ph&am p;store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/vaiomanfree/my_photos

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