Testosterone Therapy Update in Gynecomastia Talk

skyhawk

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Re: Testosterone Therapy Update

« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2008, 03:30:44 PM »

I believe Matthew1 is doing the right thing here. It would be nice to know the reason T is low, but finding that reason doesn't mean its fixable. (Like the thyroid) Odds are he would need TRT anyway.

Matthew, I appreciate all your updates on this site. Your taking the time to update guys on your progress will be helpful to us all.

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rockin813

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Doesn't have to be this bad....

Re: Testosterone Therapy Update

« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2008, 03:59:39 PM »

Quote from: matthew1 on March 06, 2008, 03:20:59 PM

Rockin, yes I go to the http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=81 I go to this site daily, if thats the one you mean

Why do you think all these HRT docs are out of network? my GUESS is they are specialist, they know there is a demand, and make more money net being part of the insurance system.

Listen, my thyroid has been underactive for 30 years, no doctor ever looked for the reason there. I just assumed my thyroid was simply not working correctly , a defect that good not be corrected on its own
I assume my test and cortisal levels are whacked because thats just the way I am built/ programed

that's a bodybuilding forum that im on also. im sure u see a lot of posts from pmgamer on there. ask him about the yahoo forum...he'll tell u about it.

as for TRT...i hope it continues to beneifit u. i just know it can be a roller coaster trying to balance E2 and T. arimidex too much and ur screwed as too low E2 is as bad as too high with regards to libido.

i wish u continued success.

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ThatMethD1guy

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Re: Testosterone Therapy Update

« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2008, 11:11:00 PM »

matthew1,

I think you and I corresponded just before either of us jumped in with both feet on the HRT. I also seem to have more energy and less depression but I am reserving judgment..... as I also know the placebo effect IS REAL. I have lost weight and gotten more defined since HRT (allthough this was not a primary objective).

I originally suspected my symptoms were associated with an over the counter prohormone i took (meth1d) and then eventually came to understand that the propecia i was on was much much more suspicious. I stopped propecia around the same time as HRT so now I cant be sure as to wheather the positive changes are form the HFT or from stopping propecia.

I cant really find any horror storied associated with HRT (other that the testicle atrophy thing) which supposedly can be mitigated with HCG (which i am also on)

I will keep you posted

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ThatMethD1guy

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Re: Testosterone Therapy Update

« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2008, 11:19:57 PM »

regarding mercury:

...the HRT doctor saw a high mercury marker in my blood so i am also chelating with DSMG (in addition to all that other stuff i am swallowing, injecting, drinking and rubbing into my skin)

I should also point out the opposing point of view for heavy metal testing: which is that traditional doctors say it is impossible to test blood.hair/urine for mercury, and that all this stuff is nonsense.

In my case I was so tired and depressed I had NOTHING TO LOSE so I am subjecting myself to a pretty comprehensive compliment of hormones and other elixirs.

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matthew1

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Re: Testosterone Therapy Update

« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2008, 11:35:36 AM »

methguy

I agree, with depression and feeling poorly you get to the point where you will try anything.
I think my very low testosterone level, my high estrodiol levels . my cortisol score, low t3, caused my depression all along.
Freaking anti depression meds are MUCH MUCH MUCH worse then HRT is for me.
AD meds nearly impossible to get off of, I joined another website just to learn how to taper of them, freaking physc. dosc are clueless on the real effects of AD meds.
I started HRT out of a medical neccessity, not to improve my results in the gym.
I can say depression is lifting for the first time in 30 years , I am getting a little gain in the gym too.
To early to tell what the end result will be but I am optimistic, or should I say very positive that I am on the right course.
WE MUST BE OUR ON ADVOCATE AND ASK DOCTOR THE RIGHT QUESTIONS, if you do not look after yourself no one will.
Working out has help a lot also.
I will keep posting my updates as time goes by

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skyhawk

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Re: Testosterone Therapy Update

« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2008, 11:10:37 AM »

Hey guys,

Matthew's testimony supports that male hormonal balance can have alot to do with mood and how you feel. Its not just a gynecomastia issue. When hormones are out of balance it effects everything, including our relationships.

It is my opinion, that too many physicians are too quick to prescribe an AD drug to treat the symptoms, and do not even look for the underlying problem. This is fueled in part by the tremendous marketing drive of the giant drug companies to sell anti-depressants.

During Matthews previous doctor visits, A sharp physician would have observed the gynecomastia and run the correct labs including testosterone and Estradiol. The resulting 4/1 T/E2 ratio would have then explained the gyno and matthew's other symptoms. But that didn't happen.

Matthew changed his lifestyle. He sought out a physician who is adressing his hormones. A physician who understands the importance of controlling estrogen with TRT as well as Thyroid T4/ T3 balance.

Matthew took control of the situation. Way to go Matt! I am in your cheering section and looking forward to your updates. This is gonna be very interesting.

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matthew1

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Re: Testosterone Therapy Update

« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2008, 06:14:14 PM »

thank you skyhawk....

I was introduced to this site below from some one online here
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=81

there is tons of info on HRT therapy. Frankly all the information is a bit overwhelming and I can not grasp it all . So, I put a ad on craigslists to hire someone to gather and decipher the info. I am interviewing the MANY respondents i recieved.

here is the ad
knowledge in hormone treatment
Reply to: job-599777315@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-03-08, 2:54PM EST

I am looking for someone that can understand my blood work results and explain them to me. My doctors are busy to answer all my questions
Specifically, my doc has me on hormone replacement therapy . I belong to a website where I get different information about what treatment I should get.
I want someone that explain to me information I forward to them related to hormones
Also
a] I have blood results from test
b] I am on hormones to help correct blood test results
c] I get conflicting reports from knowledgeable people that suggest a different courses of action

I need someone that understands, testosterone, cortisol, t3 , t4, estradiol, thyroid issues to a point to where they can explain some things to me. I have doctors but they do not have time to explain , nor do they want to hear info from a website
I am not looking for medical advice, just some one with excellent knowledge on hormone issues that can put things in simpler terms.
I will pay good cash for your time. I have resources to pay whats needed, just need a good answer person that can field my questions

contact usermatt9628@aol.com I am a 44 year old male

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matthew1

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Re: Testosterone Therapy Update

« Reply #22 on: March 11, 2008, 08:45:01 PM »

freaking nips

finished a decent work out in my basement, nothing tremendous mind you, but some good curls and benc press and sit ups. While doing curls, I glance in the mirro and see some definition in my arms, I am thinking, wow I actually got a nice bicep. My nips are hard fromall the working out, got a sleevless shirt, I am think ing with surgery , keep working out, maybe I can take my shirt off this summer.
I go sit down in a chair, freaking nips relax and stick out luck 1/2 golf balls under my shirt. Look like a 12 years old girl chest when they start to develop.
I get upset and bummed and say forget this new booze, nicotine free lifestyle, stop working out, hide out under clothes for the next 20 years it just aint worth.

thanks for listening , I am done crying

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skyhawk

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Re: Testosterone Therapy Update

« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2008, 09:54:03 AM »

Any accomplishment worth while will push a person to their limits. Keep your eyes focused on the finish line. Don't give up. The gyno can and will be corrected with surgery. You can do it man.

Focus on stage one. (Getting your hormones in balance) Then stage two (surgery) is not far down the road.

It would be pointless to have done surgery with a 4 to 1 T/E2 ratio. I would bet money the gyno would have come come back.

Your doing the right thing. Stay the course my Friend.

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skyhawk

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Re: Testosterone Therapy Update

« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2008, 01:29:03 PM »

There are other ways to lower Estradiol than just arimidex. DIM, zinc, reducing body fat, eliminating exposure to chemicles that mimic estrogens.

When estrogen goes down, testosterone goes up. Some guys are able to increase their testosterone just by controlling estrogen through the things I mentioned above.

Some guys may do a combination. Like 1/4 pill Arimidex every 3 days, plus DIM and Zinc. Gotta do what works best for each individual.

Of course thyroid hormone also has an impact on steroid sex hormones. The only thing I am curious about, is if Matthew's doctor addressed the low T3 first, then waited to see if there was an improvement in the other numbers, would his testosterone/estradiol ratio improved? I can't say for sure.

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rockin813

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Doesn't have to be this bad....

Re: Testosterone Therapy Update

« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2008, 04:13:53 PM »

Quote from: matthew1 on March 10, 2008, 06:14:14 PM

thank you skyhawk....

I was introduced to this site below from some one online here
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=81

there is tons of info on HRT therapy. Frankly all the information is a bit overwhelming and I can not grasp it all . So, I put a ad on craigslists to hire someone to gather and decipher the info. I am interviewing the MANY respondents i recieved.

here is the ad
knowledge in hormone treatment
Reply to: job-599777315@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-03-08, 2:54PM EST

I am looking for someone that can understand my blood work results and explain them to me. My doctors are busy to answer all my questions
Specifically, my doc has me on hormone replacement therapy . I belong to a website where I get different information about what treatment I should get.
I want someone that explain to me information I forward to them related to hormones
Also
a] I have blood results from test
b] I am on hormones to help correct blood test results
c] I get conflicting reports from knowledgeable people that suggest a different courses of action

I need someone that understands, testosterone, cortisol, t3 , t4, estradiol, thyroid issues to a point to where they can explain some things to me. I have doctors but they do not have time to explain , nor do they want to hear info from a website
I am not looking for medical advice, just some one with excellent knowledge on hormone issues that can put things in simpler terms.
I will pay good cash for your time. I have resources to pay whats needed, just need a good answer person that can field my questions

contact usermatt9628@aol.com I am a 44 year old male

so wait....ur getting treatment for your hormones using prescription type medication, yet you have no confidence in what they are telling you (or they are not telling you enough yet you still take the meds) that you are looking to craig's list for somone who will explain it all to you.

your original post talked so highly of this lab and Dr. now you are resorting to craig's list? what happened?

??

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Grandpa Bambu

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31 Year Gynecomastia Victim...

Re: Testosterone Therapy Update

« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2008, 04:25:56 PM »

Quote from: matthew1 on February 13, 2008, 12:07:19 PM

I have spent over 62,000 in nicorrete gum over a 11 year period!!! 11 years at $110 per week is $62,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry to hijack the thread but.... Isn't Nicorette supposed to be a 'temproary' aid for smoking cessation?

Eleven years...

GB

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matthew1

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Re: Testosterone Therapy Update

« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2008, 06:20:24 PM »

Quote from: Grandpa Bambu on March 12, 2008, 04:25:56 PM

Quote from: matthew1 on February 13, 2008, 12:07:19 PM
I have spent over 62,000 in nicorrete gum over a 11 year period!!! 11 years at $110 per week is $62,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry to hijack the thread but.... Isn't Nicorette supposed to be a 'temproary' aid for smoking cessation?

Eleven years...

Nicotine is very addictive. I had no urgency to stop the nic gum, it is not cancerous like the chew I was doing . Nic gum is supposed to be a 12 week program, NOT.... Lots of folks are addicted to the gum , lozenges , inhaler etc..

GB

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matthew1

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Re: Testosterone Therapy Update

« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2008, 06:25:14 PM »

Quote from: rockin813 on March 12, 2008, 04:13:53 PM

Quote from: matthew1 on March 10, 2008, 06:14:14 PM
thank you skyhawk....

I was introduced to this site below from some one online here
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/forumdisplay.php?f=81

there is tons of info on HRT therapy. Frankly all the information is a bit overwhelming and I can not grasp it all . So, I put a ad on craigslists to hire someone to gather and decipher the info. I am interviewing the MANY respondents i recieved.

here is the ad
knowledge in hormone treatment
Reply to: job-599777315@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-03-08, 2:54PM EST

I am looking for someone that can understand my blood work results and explain them to me. My doctors are busy to answer all my questions
Specifically, my doc has me on hormone replacement therapy . I belong to a website where I get different information about what treatment I should get.
I want someone that explain to me information I forward to them related to hormones
Also
a] I have blood results from test
b] I am on hormones to help correct blood test results
c] I get conflicting reports from knowledgeable people that suggest a different courses of action

I need someone that understands, testosterone, cortisol, t3 , t4, estradiol, thyroid issues to a point to where they can explain some things to me. I have doctors but they do not have time to explain , nor do they want to hear info from a website
I am not looking for medical advice, just some one with excellent knowledge on hormone issues that can put things in simpler terms.
I will pay good cash for your time. I have resources to pay whats needed, just need a good answer person that can field my questions

contact usermatt9628@aol.com I am a 44 year old male

so wait....ur getting treatment for your hormones using prescription type medication, yet you have no confidence in what they are telling you (or they are not telling you enough yet you still take the meds) that you are looking to craig's list for somone who will explain it all to you.

your original post talked so highly of this lab and Dr. now you are resorting to craig's list? what happened???

I think the lab and doctor are good. But I need to decide the questions I want to ask the doctor. The more I read here the more confused I get.
I am not sure the exact wording of my question to the doctor. For instance ARMOIR thyroid, vs synthroid, t4. t3 what the hell is all that about/? I thought T3 was a terminator movie.
I need some knowledge on the basics, I cant expect the doc to explain everything. I am going to hire someone I can call whenever I want, i addition to my doctors

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matthew1

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Re: Testosterone Therapy Update

« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2008, 06:26:31 PM »

Quote from: c17361736 on March 12, 2008, 01:07:44 PM

Funny you mention depression skyhawk. In addition to being caused by low testosterone, it's also a known side effect of the estrogen blocking medication. The very one Matthew is taking in fact.

When it comes to trying to correct this kind of hormone problem you're either d@mned if you do and d@mned if you don't. The only difference is, if you go for the "d@amned if you do" option you'll have to spend a lot more money.

QUOTE ''Funny you mention depression skyhawk. In addition to being caused by low testosterone, it's also a known side effect of the estrogen blocking medication. The very one Matthew is taking in fact.''

Crap, thats the first I heard of this.

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