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Re: Andractim
« Reply #60 on: March 09, 2005, 12:01:50 PM »
You need to just stop cause you are making a fool out of your self.
$2,800 = Freedom!

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/vaiomanfree/album?.dir=7e36&.src=ph&am p;store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/vaiomanfree/my_photos

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Re: Andractim
« Reply #61 on: March 09, 2005, 12:05:55 PM »
are you kidding me, vaio? his pictures make it so obvious there was a change.

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Re: Andractim
« Reply #62 on: March 09, 2005, 12:08:16 PM »
hypo, what was your treatment regimen with andractim?

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« Reply #63 on: March 09, 2005, 12:41:08 PM »
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are you kidding me, vaio? his pictures make it so obvious there was a change.


http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/chis_az/album?.dir=/b8ad&.src=ph

Ok lets examine his pictures once more.

Before pictures, his nipples are SOFT and his arms are down at his sides.

After pictures his nipples are noticable HARD and erect, his arms are not at his sides. His arms are pulled back! Thats makes the chest look smaller. The hard nipples hide the gland.

You mean to tell me that you can't notice this??

Hypo has been using  Andractim for quite some time and has no noticable results.

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« Reply #64 on: March 09, 2005, 12:49:21 PM »
Yes Boobs

My results were with Andractim prescribed by my specialist as a replacement at the time for testogel given my hypogonadism.

They were not amazing, much less than what can be expected for many people- but they allowed me to live with the condition a lot easier.

The gynecomastia was far less breast like, and was far easier to conceal than before.  It made a big difference to me psychologically- but is dismissed by people like vaio.

Drug treatments like Andractim are less likely to work after gynecomastia has developed over two years and reductions in glandular mass tend to be less.  This is because the glandular tissue becomes fibrous and less responsive to treatment.

Still it did a job for me even if in my case that was just making life easier for a year or two until surgery.

Those that are likely to have complete resolution are those whose gynecomastia developed within the last year to two years.

I have showed the clinical evidence- time and again!

Incidentally Glenn D Braunstein M.D and Eugene Shippen M.D are two of the leading endocrinologists in the world-

Vaio says they are liars!!!!!

Vaio says that I am putting words into his mouth, I ask how?  

They say;

Andractim shrinks gynecomastia and can reduce/resolve it in a statistically significant number of people

Vaio says

It cannot.

How am I putting words into his mouth?

How is he not saying they are liars?

How????

Tell me Vaio, please tell me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When you have finished doing that;

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Hypo, you say that gynecomasita reduction is such a sensitive subject that before and after photos are not posted? That’s nonsense. For crying out loud, there are pictures of woman who had labia reductions on the internet! You can find any picture of anything on the internet.
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Most of the photographs you are referring to relate to surgery.  

Of course you get before and after photographs with surgery- that is the nature of surgery.  It doesn't tend to work that way with drug treatments or other sensitive medical issues.

If what your saying is true and you can get anything;

Kallmans Syndrome is a condition that exists- can you go and get me a photograph of someone who has Kallmans syndrome please?

Get me the photograph now!!!!!!

Also I want photographs of a man with hypogonadism before and after treatments to see the very real differences in muscle mass development that occur.

If you don't get me those photograph to prove your point-

Maybe you'll realize it is because it is not so easy to come by and that it is deliberately held on medical sites that need passwords so clever guys like you and your genius use of google and yahoo can't view them ;D

Right all that out of the way........


I have given you another set of before and afters no less than my own, irrespective of your opinions on them.  

Now!!!!

You answer my questions you little....you know what I wont lower myself ;)

Just answer my questions now.      

P.S

When you are not able to answer the questions, when you fall foul of them and are completely unable to answer the questions or complete the tasks to prove the validity of your own points- I will be doing this;

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You must wish you never got into this because you are out of your depth  :-*




Added following Vaios last post.

If you look at my side photograps I went from having titts to having little gynecomastia.

The front photographs are a little harder to determine, I apologise I never realised they were going to be used as evidence otherwise they would be less conspicuous.

I concede that my arms are at a different position and further back to make me look better in the after photograph- BUT- look at the breast tissue, does anyone seriously think I had anywhere near the amount of breast tissue?

I am telling you for a fact I did not!!!
















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Re: Andractim
« Reply #65 on: March 09, 2005, 01:40:28 PM »
I don't feel like reasearching all this bs for you hypo. Im in college, I have a life, unlike you.



There are NO BEFORE AND AFTER PHOTOS showing a visual change from Andractim use!!!! NONE

END OF DISCUSSION

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Re: Andractim
« Reply #66 on: March 09, 2005, 01:48:35 PM »
You didn't answer the questions I asked or provide the evidence that vallidated your position because you were incapable of doing just that.

Hence your pathetic cop out.

A tip;

In future learn when your out of your depth and don't speak with authority upon subjects that you have no knowldege or understanding of.

Having had to put up with your insults and having just seen your comment to a man with a possible pituitary problem- I'm going to break with tradition just for you.


Your a Tw@


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You’re in college oh sorry- I should have realized and bowed to the obvious wisdom that must ensue ;)

I was;

A computer software designer

Senior computer software designer

An associate computer software producer

A computer software producer

Senior computer software producer and company manager- I used to handle muti-million pound business accounts.

I also qualified as a tennis coach before I was ill.


College indeed- who on earth do you think you are talking to?

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Re: Andractim
« Reply #67 on: March 09, 2005, 02:54:37 PM »

There are NO BEFORE AND AFTER PHOTOS showing a visual change from Andractim use.

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Re: Andractim
« Reply #69 on: March 09, 2005, 04:22:13 PM »
Daveo,

You’re being sarcastic as you were earlier in this debate.  

You had little grasp of the issues then and you are just as ignorant of the issues now.

Answer the questions and tasks that I put to Vaio fully or;

Forget matters and just give it up.

I’ve already pulled the wings off one mindless fly.

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Re: Andractim
« Reply #70 on: March 09, 2005, 05:02:48 PM »
Hypo, you have personal issues you need to work out with yourself. Im through with you. Get a life.



There are NO BEFORE AND AFTER PHOTOS showing a visual change from Andractim use.

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« Reply #71 on: March 09, 2005, 05:12:01 PM »
I’ve answered your questions-

Answer my questions in full you moron or shut up!

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Re: Andractim
« Reply #72 on: March 09, 2005, 06:21:16 PM »
Your questions have nothing to do with the post.  

There are NO BEFORE AND AFTER PHOTOS showing a visual change from Andractim use on the entire internet.
Accept it!
Your the pathetic one. Get a life. and grow some balls while your at it. f***en homo.

Re: Andractim
« Reply #73 on: March 09, 2005, 08:22:02 PM »
Lol, you guys are taking this way to seriously.

I'm convinced that, although both of you disagree, you each really believe in what you're saying. You're both just trying  to present the facts as you see them in order to help others who suffer from this horrible disease.

Is this any reason to insult each other?

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Re: Andractim
« Reply #74 on: March 09, 2005, 08:45:09 PM »
In my expireince, andractim was not worth it.  It just became a chore with hardly any effects.  The only good thing is it keeps your nips hard for a while which i am gonna use to my advantage next week for spring break...


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