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Gynecomastia Acceptance => Acceptance => Topic started by: Traveler on November 24, 2020, 10:28:38 PM

Title: Sister sizing
Post by: Traveler on November 24, 2020, 10:28:38 PM
Welp it finally happened. Been on a weight loss program and it’s going well. Feeling pretty good by following the program without starving myself, so while progress has been a little slow, it’s progress.
 
Just started wearing a bra full time  around three months ago. Now that I’m wearing one I can’t believe I waited so long to do it, but I guess I needed to go through the process to get to this point. Due to the weight loss I’ve lost band size but not one bit of bust. If anything they actually look a little rounder! Due to breast migration? Seems so.

I’m now wearing a 40DD! Sister sizing from a 42D. The 42D bras I was wearing were a little roomy but there was no way I could fit in a C cup because I have the typical wide male breast. I now fully fill the double D’s because while I’ve lost band size I haven’t lost breast volume. It’s apparently not unusual for this to happen. 

I plan on continuing losing weight and improving my overall health. I still have no problems with presenting male but at some point it may be difficult. I know some us here are dealing with the same problem. Guess I just needed to vent. Thanks
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: blad on November 24, 2020, 11:35:56 PM
I still have no problems with presenting male but at some point it may be difficult. I know some us here are dealing with the same problem. Guess I just needed to vent. Thanks
We can always present a s a male, just one with breast bumps.
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: Johndoe1 on November 25, 2020, 06:24:04 AM
You are not alone. I recently dropped band size too after losing about 10 lbs, but not bust size. I had several bras that were at or beyond life and even though I was at the tightest set of hooks with a 38DD, things were not fitting right nor did I have the support I had been getting. I bought several 36DDD/F bras and the support was back and the girls still had all the room in the cups they needed. While I technically sister sized down, in reality, 36DDD/F is now my correct size.
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: aboywithgirls on November 25, 2020, 10:28:36 AM
Unfortunately, too many people are of the assumption that if a man has breasts, it's from being overweight. We know that is not the case. I am 5'10", 160 pounds. I am under the BMI for both men and mid range for women. 

After I lost 40 lbs, I went from a 38G to a 36H in UK sizing which is the sister size. I was looking at a bra conversion chart earlier. I didn't realize that a 36H UK is a 36K US! I know that the size is just a number and letter and that the fit is the only thing that matters. However, a 36K! I'll stick with the UK sizing. It makes me feel better.
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: JohannK on November 25, 2020, 11:28:58 AM
Unfortunately, too many people are of the assumption that if a man has breasts, it's from being overweight. We know that is not the case. I am 5'10", 160 pounds. I am under the BMI for both men and mid range for women.

After I lost 40 lbs, I went from a 38G to a 36H in UK sizing which is the sister size. I was looking at a bra conversion chart earlier. I didn't realize that a 36H UK is a 36K US! I know that the size is just a number and letter and that the fit is the only thing that matters. However, a 36K! I'll stick with the UK sizing. It makes me feel better.
Ah, yes.  BMI.  I'm 182 cm (5'11.5), and currently 63 kg (138.9 lbs).  That gives me a BMI of 19 (which is supposedly very close to underweight).  I have actually been down to about 61.1 kg (guesstimate on an old mechanical scale), which gave me an underweight BMI of 18.4.  According to the internet my ideal weight is 73 kg.

But in reality, I still have a decent amount of abdominal fat, and when I peaked at 71 I was actually decently overweight.  There's no way I'd want to go up to 73...
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: Traveler on November 25, 2020, 12:08:43 PM
Funny thing is I don’t think I look like a double D! While I understand that the male breast is wider and shallower it’s not until the swoop and scoop that I fill the cups (and maybe a little over) that makes me go wow, it is the right size.

I’m also 5’ 11.5” (182cm) ;) and could technically lose another 30 to 40 pounds to reach the “perfect” weight, but I just down sized my pants to a 34 waist, so I’m not that big. I still buy x-large shirts though to cover the girls.

Wish society was at the point where I didn’t have to jump through so many hoops to keep them hidden, (mostly).
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: Johndoe1 on November 26, 2020, 07:31:51 AM
Wish society was at the point where I didn’t have to jump through so many hoops to keep them hidden, (mostly).
If it meant in order for my chest to be accepted as a woman's, I would gladly jump through all the silly hoops women have to. This way really sucks. I would love to have my chest be taboo like a woman's chest is. Not open season like it can be. I just want to live my life in peace. I am what I am. I didn't ask to be this way.
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: aboywithgirls on November 26, 2020, 08:12:19 AM
I totally get that John! It can be very frustrating. I think I always knew what I would need to do for acceptance. Not only having others accept me but more importantly, for me to accept myself. 

Our breasts shouldn't be a source of embarrassment. There is no reason why they can't be a source of pride. We shouldn't be embarrassed because we put on a brain the morning because it makes our daily activities more bearable. We should be able to put on our bra with the top we want to wear and look in the mirror and like our lumps.

For myself, I can say I do now. For me, now, wearing a is not only accepted, its expected.
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: Aussie63 on January 20, 2021, 06:14:33 AM
Sister sizing isn't always right! Using the following chart as an example, it can be seen that that going up ONE band size demands going down TWO cup sizes to end up with the same overbust measurement:
Bra Size Chart | Breast Sizes in inches and centimeters - All Bra Sizes (http://allbrasizes.com/info/bra-size-chart/)

I have been caught out before. Years ago, when a 36B fitted me perfectly cup wise but I needed an extender for the band, I purchased a 38A only to find that the cup was far too large. Admittedly it was a different style of bra but the sister chart said! The sister chart said!!

Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: Dale Warnio on January 20, 2021, 07:36:46 AM
I will only buy bras that I have gone in and tried on.   When trying on my bras, I will consider sister sizing then.   
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: felix on January 20, 2021, 10:09:23 AM
When you are sister sizing, whether it is an underwire or non wire may make a difference.  A while back I found a nearly new non wired 42B molded cup bra in a thrift store that looked like it would be perfect for me but I didn't come close to filling the cups.  However, when I swoop and scoop the underarm boob into an underwire bra, I look pretty good in a 42C.  My wife and most other women can wear wired and non wired pretty much interchangeably but I can't.
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: gmast on January 20, 2021, 12:20:27 PM
When I was a kid, we all knew that a women that was D was big chested, and DD was huge.  This was before breast implants were common, and bra sizing was traditional.  With traditional sizing an A cup had a breast measurement 5 or 6 inches bigger than the underbust measurement.  A DD was 9 or 10 inches bigger.  For instance a women with underbust of 31, bust measurement of 41 would be 36DD.  Now, some seem to use the band measurement as the band size, so a 31 underbust is a 32.  Then for the cup size, some start A and  with +5 inches over the band, and some +1 over the band size.  Going with the latter, this is a 32J.  With this in mind, a 32J is huge, but not ginormous, as was a 36DD years ago.

Some of the brands I've looked at like Hanes (bali, Playtex, Maidenform) use the chest measurement for the band size, with is typically a couple of inches more than the underbust measurement.  An A cup is +1 inches over the band.  So someone 36 underbust, 41 bust with a 38 inch chest measurement is 38C.  Under traditional measurements, that would be a 40A.  A 38A would be a 40AAA.  And not surprising, Hanes starts most of there 38s with a B.  When it comes to bra sizing standards, there are so many to choose from, that giving a bra size doesn't mean a whole lot unless the method used is included with the size.
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: Traveler on January 20, 2021, 01:06:52 PM
Gmast, 
Guess I fall under the old sizing better. I do have a 10 inch difference between under bust versus on the bust measurement.
Here’s a current pic of me wearing a Torrid 40DD front clasp tee shirt style.
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: taxmapper on January 20, 2021, 01:32:38 PM
When I was a kid, we all knew that a women that was D was big chested, and DD was huge.  This was before breast implants were common, and bra sizing was traditional.  With traditional sizing an A cup had a breast measurement 5 or 6 inches bigger than the underbust measurement.  A DD was 9 or 10 inches bigger.  For instance a women with underbust of 31, bust measurement of 41 would be 36DD.  Now, some seem to use the band measurement as the band size, so a 31 underbust is a 32.  Then for the cup size, some start A and  with +5 inches over the band, and some +1 over the band size.  Going with the latter, this is a 32J.  With this in mind, a 32J is huge, but not ginormous, as was a 36DD years ago.

Some of the brands I've looked at like Hanes (bali, Playtex, Maidenform) use the chest measurement for the band size, with is typically a couple of inches more than the underbust measurement.  An A cup is +1 inches over the band.  So someone 36 underbust, 41 bust with a 38 inch chest measurement is 38C.  Under traditional measurements, that would be a 40A.  A 38A would be a 40AAA.  And not surprising, Hanes starts most of there 38s with a B.  When it comes to bra sizing standards, there are so many to choose from, that giving a bra size doesn't mean a whole lot unless the method used is included with the size.
Its that to which I have found unusual. My measurements (still growing and fluctuating) runs between 46.75-48 inches depending on the day. (yes it fluxuates.) 

My chest (underbust) is 43.5 cold.. 
hasn't moved for years.   
By old standards that puts me in the A category. 
But by new measurement that puts me into the B-C category.  

I have tried unpadded bras and they are just too large in the C category and bareilly hits B.  

But a sports bra with padding fully fills the cup and is actually starting to push out a bit. 

Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: gmast on January 20, 2021, 03:01:43 PM
Traveler says that his bust is 10 inches longer than the band and wears a Torrid 40DD.  When I go to Torrid's web site, they don't have a size chart for bras, but they do have a video.  The video says the band measurement is the band size, and the difference in measurement between the band and the bust is the cup size, with 1 inch being a A Cup.  So his size would be a 40I (they use DD and DDD then F) .  However, they only list 40B to 40G in there search.  One of them must be wrong.

Anita has a size chart and a size calculator, and they give different bra sizes for the measurements.  So with a 36 41 as measurements, the charts say 40A, the calculator says I'm 38E.    When I asked them about the sizing because I was considering a couple of different models and wondered if all bras fit the same, and what method is appropriate, they said to use the calculator, and they were in the process of getting rid of the charts.  However, it is the 40A that fit me.  Then they said that that bra (and a couple others) had a short band.  There is a lot of inconsistency in bra sizes and confusion on how to estimate the proper size, even from the manufacturer.

I cringe every time someone posts advice on what size bra someone should be, unless they can give a bra brand or even better, specific models to go with it.  Most people seem to suggest using abrathatfits to estimate sizes, which seems to be similar to using the band measurement as the band size, and 1 in difference is an A cup.  Many of the manufactures seem post using band measurment +2 or +3 for the band size, and +5 off the band measurement for an A cup.  As a kid, I didn't understand what the measurements of a model with a 38D was, but I new she was big.  I still don't know what the measurements of a model with a 38D are, but now I don't even know if she's big. 
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: 42CSuprise! on January 20, 2021, 03:31:55 PM
gmast speaks truth... this is all confusing and each brassiere is different, so we need to know who made it and what the specific style is for meaningful discussion.  I understand that going for a fitting is the gold standard in getting a brassiere that fits but I haven't worked up the courage to do that.  In a world where I'm cancelling appointments to have my teeth cleaned, I doubt I'll schedule an appointment to have my breast size measured.  I'm also basically cheap and so shopping online to experiment with styles and sizes works.  If I were wearing a brassiere all day every day, it might make sense to spend a premium to get a bra that fits perfectly, but that is not the case for me.

As my username reports, I came to this site wearing a 42C brassiere that fit my breasts perfectly.  The band length is too short for my chest, but a bra extender solves that problem... leaving me, of course, with straps that are prone to falling off my shoulder.  So I have the very feminine task of reaching into the neck of my tee shirt to pull the strap up.  Someone told me there is a device that keeps that from happening and I ordered a set online.  We'll see how that works.

I learned in exploring that as the band gets longer the same cup size expects a larger breast... so when I found a 46 inch brassiere that fit my chest, it was a B cup that worked rather than a C.  Alas, the company that makes that first brassiere I still love, 42 inches is their maximum... so the search continues.  But as men here have noted, the hunt for the right brassiere can be quite fun and will insure that we have a drawer FILLED with sexy undergarments.  I guess this is one way to occupy our free time...  :o
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: mgr on January 20, 2021, 03:38:00 PM
I still have no problems with presenting male but at some point it may be difficult. I know some us here are dealing with the same problem. Guess I just needed to vent. Thanks
We can always present a s a male, just one with breast bumps.
Blad, You are absolutely correct on presenting male with bumps. On one of my first fittings when I found a bra that fit me and then told the SA I wanted to see how it looked under my shirt. When I tried it on and said I can see the "bumps", her response was you walked in here with natural bumps so it is really not like we are creating anything different.  She was right and I have remembered it over the years. I still try on shirts every time I buy a new style bra to see how I present. The SA typically give a comment in the manner of "you look good..I think you are fine".
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: Traveler on January 20, 2021, 03:57:55 PM
Maybe I spoke incorrectly. While I do indeed have a 10 inch difference 49/39 over under, because I’m male and have wider shallower breasts than women do, DD’s fit best right now. The abrathatfits calculator puts me in a I cup and while some men here fit that, based on observation, I knew that was a crazy size for me. US sizing is all over the charts and that’s why a professional fitting is the gold standard.
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: taxmapper on January 20, 2021, 05:32:17 PM
Maybe I spoke incorrectly. While I do indeed have a 10 inch difference 49/39 over under, because I’m male and have wider shallower breasts than women do, DD’s fit best right now. The abrathatfits calculator puts me in a H cup and while some men here fit that, based on observation, I knew that was a crazy size for me. US sizing is all over the charts and that’s why a professional fitting is the gold standard.
And THAT is what I suspect. 
Again, if you were to physically remove your breasts and plant them on a standard sized female (say a 36 or 38 inch band,) then she would probably fit nicely into a C or D cup, whereas I presently only fill a B. 
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: Traveler on January 20, 2021, 08:51:29 PM
Ehhhhh... maybe. I’m currently at in underband of 39 already and while my breast tissue is spread out more, if you take all my breast tissue and put it in a more female mode, pretty sure at 38 or 36 band it would still be DD or DDD breasts. Have you not seen my pics? 😏
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: SideSet on January 20, 2021, 09:17:13 PM
I just saw your pic. That bra looks great on you. Perfect fit. You are quite full busted.

And mgr,  so true about having natural “bumps.”   When we go braless, our breasts still show, just unsupported,  provocatively jiggling, and we are suggestively nipping out.   I brought takes care of all of that, but our breast still show, just in a bra now.
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: Dale Warnio on January 20, 2021, 10:17:47 PM
 Wow, traveler, I agree with sideset, that bra looks great on you 
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: Traveler on January 20, 2021, 11:42:10 PM
😁 Thank you both!
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: SideSet on January 20, 2021, 11:44:12 PM
Traveler,

 You sound proud, and I think you should be. Are you? 

Do you have a picture with a top one?
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: Aussie63 on January 21, 2021, 06:40:40 AM
So, I've been experimenting with sister sizing lately.

My preferred style of bra purely for fun was retro looking two or three piece cup, non-wired support bras with wide straps that were all about enhancement. Google Triumph Doreen for example.

Lately, due to the realization that I might have to one day be a bit more fair dinkum in my choices if I were to to remain discreet wearing a bra more often and in public, I have been looking at seamless cup but non-padded bras. T Shirt bras are out of the question for me because they add bulk. I recently found a bra to my liking:  Naturana #5220 | Bras and Women's Lingerie | aBra4Me (https://www.abra4me.com/Naturana-5220)

I ordered a 40A for me and a 40D for the missus (;D) from a local store who import them from Europe. My default bra for wearing around the house before then was a 40B soft bra with two piece cups and 5/8" straps from one of our local department stores which just fitted well enough in the band but was too big in the cup. The 40A Naturana cup size was almost perfect but the band, although wearable all day, was probably too tight. Using an extender was not a realistic option because the Naturana band is very narrow (lucky to be half an inch between hook rows) meaning that the extender scrunches up. The other disappointment with the 40A is that the bra was advertised as featuring 1/2" straps, but this one had 3/8" straps and they dug in fiercely.

Because the soft cups were quite compliant, being constructed basically of T Shirt material, I tried the 40D (which did have the 1/2" straps) and found that it fitted almost as well as the 40A but just with a larger coverage area! Not many wrinkles at all. So, I have since ordered a 42B (42A is not available) and we will see how it goes. I promise to take pics one day!

My aim is to get used to wearing a bra far more often than I do now, just in case I have to actually do so.

Interestingly Naturana do make a 42A bra featuring two piece soft cups with a lace insert but I suspect that it would fit me worse than the 42B with stretch cups, because of the cup construction.
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: Johndoe1 on January 21, 2021, 07:22:27 AM
I have to be careful when I sister size up that the cups don't do funny things and I don't have gaping in the cups. If I sister size up, I don't get as much wear out of the bra since it is starting out on the center hooks and not the loosest hooks. I would rather my bras be very snug for better support and appearance.
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: Traveler on January 21, 2021, 12:48:33 PM
I agree with John, snug is better. Yeah, I have a bit of detention of my skin after wearing all day, but it really helps to keep my side boob in place. I no longer worry if I have a little more projection with lined bras as they don’t add that much projection, give better shape and help hide the headlights much better. I have definitely moved to the comfort and controlled side versus complete stealth as I’ve realized no matter what I wear I’m going to have bumps.
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: Dale Warnio on January 21, 2021, 02:04:53 PM
Aussie63,  I know the bra cups you’re talking about. They are really cute, often with some lace. Very retro and sexy. They give a lot of lift and shaping, often close to bullet
Title: Re: Sister sizing
Post by: Aussie63 on January 21, 2021, 10:59:58 PM
Yes, it certainly gives a different look compared to more modern designs!
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