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Acceptance / Re: Thank you for being there for us
« Last post by Johndoe1 on July 27, 2020, 07:28:28 AM »
I was very interested by your comments about being wideset and shallow :

‘Being wideset and shallow, I don't have as much projection as 38DD sounds like but I have enough tissue that it takes a D+ size cup to keep them from jiggling’

Though I’m only a B cup, I have often been puzzled by just how much jiggle and movement I feel when braless. Sometimes I think that I should be fine without support. This is fine around the house, but when out and about the aches and chafing soon change my mind. If I walk fast or jog when braless, I can feel an unpleasant and very solid ‘thud’ in my chest with every step, and yet there is not so much projection there when I look in the mirror. I have concluded that this must be because the mass of breast tissue is spread out horizontally over the male chest, rather than being concentrated at the front of the chest as it is with most women. Using the ‘swoop & scoop’ approach when putting my bra on certainly reinforces this assumption, with much of the side boob tissue now contained in the cups.


Movement depends on size of the breast, the density of the breast and the weight of the breast. If you are feeling discomfort in the chest when you move, then a bra may be the answer for you.

There is a misconception that breasts equals "projection." As with other things dealing with breasts, "projection" is not black and white but a fuzzy grey. Obviously, if you have breasts, you have projection because of the tissue that sits off the chest, but the different shapes of the breast causes projection to manifest differently in people. Being wideset, there is a space between my breasts that are at least three fingers wide and makes cleavage difficult so "projection" of sitting straight off the chest doesn't happen for me naturally. Being shallow, most of my tissue lie below the nipple so they "hang" similar to a tear drop, but I am not "teardrop shaped" per se and definitely not "perky." But I have enough tissue that in order to contain all my tissue after I swoop and scoop, it takes the volume of a DD cup in a 38 band. If I were round or full on top and not wideset, I would have much more perceived projection than I do. Same tissue volume, different shape and different style bra and look.

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Thank you for the heads-up on possible estrogen releases during weight loss, too. (This is something I am wary of because I know my estrogen levels do fluctuate. Last time I had them checked, I was just within range, but I’m sure they go higher sometimes due to aromatization of some of the testosterone from my TRT). I had read in various places how weight loss can release stored estrogen into your system, but this is never quantified, and have wondered how significant this might be in real life. Your experience tells me that I may expect a little growth if I lose some weight, but that I need to lose it and keep it off or risk gradually ratcheting up a cup size or so.

I would suspect you would have more chance of additional development through aromatization than fat loss. My primary doctor considered HRT for me but decided against it because of the potential of additional development through aromatization. The thought was someone who already has significant gynecomastia, the chance of significant additional growth from one to two cups, that would equate to a F or G cup for me, was not worth the risk. I concurred with that. I also am not interested in reduction surgery for out of pocket cost reasons and the results are not always what you hope or expect. I could be in a worse position physically than I am now. Best leave well enough alone. I have learned to deal with bras and it's not so bad in the long run.

You might want to check out Bravissimo. They are a UK based company. They may stock those companies since they are all international bra manufacturers.
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Acceptance Garments / Bra advice needed
« Last post by Beeches on July 27, 2020, 06:31:02 AM »
Hi Gentlemen,

I am hoping that some of you more experienced bra wearers might be able to offer me the benefit of your wisdom.

I’m in my mid 60’s, and a relative newcomer to male breast ownership. I never wanted to have breasts, but over the past few years they have gradually appeared as a result of hormonal problems. I am not considering surgery, and am trying to learn to live with them. I live in a rural area so my options for getting a professional fitting are minimal.

My best-fitting bra to date was sourced from Wish.com. It is described by Wish as the ‘Ekouaer Women Bra Push Up Memory Foam Underwire Bra’ and is marked as US 38B / UK 38C It is definitely the most comfortable of the bras I have tried so far, and the underwires help a lot in reducing the amount that my arms rub on the sideboob tissue by pushing it forward into the cups. The thin memory foam padding on the cups helps to disguise my nipples, which have grown pretty large and project a lot through my shirts.

I don’t have the years of experience with choosing bras that some of you have, and being UK-based, many of the excellent recommendations I have seen on the forum are not easily obtained over here. I’m hoping that you might be able to suggest some bra styles and brands that might be suitable for me, and which can be purchased in the UK.

I have been advised that with wideset, shallow breasts and a side-boob problem, I need a wide gore, underwires and preferably some sort of side support. I will try to upload a couple of photos to show me with and without the Ekhouaer bra mentioned above.

I would really appreciate any suggestions for a bra that would best suit my body shape. Thanks in advance for any ideas you may have.


Beeches
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Acceptance / Re: Thank you for being there for us
« Last post by Beeches on July 27, 2020, 05:00:45 AM »
I could not agree more on the sports bra dilemma! It does help to keep a sense of humour when dealing with gynecomsatia. As you suggest, it is all about choosing the right bra for the occasion, as women do every day. I guess it comes with experience. I have a couple of Under Armor sports bras and a Champion one, all of which do a great job during activities, and a great for flattening and disguising projection, too. I also have one of the conventional bra-styled sports bras (I don’t recall the brand and the tags have come off it) It works great for activities, but now feels too small in the cup (it fitted much better in January…) With all of the sports bras, I’m always glad to take them off.

I’ve looked at your bra recommendations from your earlier post, and I agree that they look ideal. I’m finding it difficult to find them in the UK, however. I can get some of them through Amazon, but with import duties and shipping fees that work out expensive. For example, I really like the look of the Natori Minimal Convertible that you suggested. The cup shape looks like it would be right for me, and I like the deep sides, which I think would definitely help with the side boob problem. The problem is that by the time I get it shipped here it works out at $140 and I can foresee problems if the fit is not right and I need to return it. I did like the Natori, and some of your other suggestions too, so I will keep looking for UK stockists (and hopefully a better price!) Your comments regarding cup shape, gore width and side support are really helpful - I’m learning a lot here. I will certainly bear this in mind when bra shopping.

I was very interested by your comments about being wideset and shallow :

‘Being wideset and shallow, I don't have as much projection as 38DD sounds like but I have enough tissue that it takes a D+ size cup to keep them from jiggling’

Though I’m only a B cup, I have often been puzzled by just how much jiggle and movement I feel when braless. Sometimes I think that I should be fine without support. This is fine around the house, but when out and about the aches and chafing soon change my mind. If I walk fast or jog when braless, I can feel an unpleasant and very solid ‘thud’ in my chest with every step, and yet there is not so much projection there when I look in the mirror. I have concluded that this must be because the mass of breast tissue is spread out horizontally over the male chest, rather than being concentrated at the front of the chest as it is with most women. Using the ‘swoop & scoop’ approach when putting my bra on certainly reinforces this assumption, with much of the side boob tissue now contained in the cups.

Thank you for the heads-up on possible estrogen releases during weight loss, too. (This is something I am wary of because I know my estrogen levels do fluctuate. Last time I had them checked, I was just within range, but I’m sure they go higher sometimes due to aromatization of some of the testosterone from my TRT). I had read in various places how weight loss can release stored estrogen into your system, but this is never quantified, and have wondered how significant this might be in real life. Your experience tells me that I may expect a little growth if I lose some weight, but that I need to lose it and keep it off or risk gradually ratcheting up a cup size or so.
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Acceptance / Re: Time to share my pics
« Last post by OHboobs on July 26, 2020, 04:41:40 PM »
Definitely some there, but hard to judge the extent of it from that angle.
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Acceptance / Re: Time to share my pics
« Last post by Dudewithboobs on July 26, 2020, 03:26:28 PM »
Consider self blessed. Looks like a normal older males chest 
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Acceptance / Re: Thank you for being there for us
« Last post by Johndoe1 on July 26, 2020, 01:07:51 PM »
Hi Johndoe1, and many thanks for your warm welcome.

Reading your words makes me feel so much better. Until very recently I was wearing a bra only on occasions where I absolutely needed to, such as during activities, or where I wanted to try to hide them on social occasions. I mostly used sports bras which work pretty well for both of those situations. I find that I can’t wear a sports bra for very long - I hate the feeling of being compressed, and they are also pretty uncomfortable in the warmer weather.

Here is what I have found with sports bras. It's a love/hate relationship. When you need the support, it feels like heaven. When you don't, it feels like hell. They basically come in two flavors and depending on how much breast tissue you have, pretty much dictates which one works and which one doesn't. One is the pull over style. If your tissue isn't dense or you are too large, the pull over compression works for low to mid impact activities. Unless you are an A cup, these bras are useless when running or jogging. The other is the bra sized, industrial strength. These bras will keep a Mac Truck in place. But they can be uncomfortable for all day wear due to the compression that holds everything in place.
But for an high impact activity, they are a life saver. I have several!

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I far prefer the comfort of a conventional underwire, but with comfort comes more projection, and I am still very nervous about my bra being visible. Having now tried wearing a bra on a daily basis for a few days, I really like how it feels. The aches and nipple soreness have just vanished. I plan to try to stick with it and not get so concerned about how I might look to others. It seems that much of the anxiety about gynecomastia is of psychological origin, and I think it will be a lot easier if I can get past my hangups about it.


I too prefer underwire for the support and comfort. As a 38DD, it takes too much fabric to get the same support in a soft cup bra and I can't shape as much as I can with an underwire, but there are times with a soft cup is what you need. That is one thing I learned, women use different bras to obtain a desired look. While I am not trying to enhance my breasts, but just support them, there are many bras that work well an are underwire. Being wideset and shallow, I don't have as much projection as 38DD sounds like but I have enough tissue that it takes a D+ size cup to keep them from jiggling. While the underwire can produce projection, I find that to not be an unacceptable outcome. Minimizers work well to keep the projection down at the cost of spreading the tissue on the chest and I can deal with that.

It took a while for me to get past some hangups once I began to accept my chest. But once I did, it didn't too long to start enjoying having my breasts instead of wishing they were gone. It just takes time to get experience. Start slow. Go to areas no one knows you and build time and then move closer and closer to places you might run into people. I think you will see, like I did, unless you show off your chest, 99% of people will either not notice or not care and give a second look. They are too busy living their own lives. We know what is there and so we think everyone else knows too, but that is not true. The first time I went jogging in a sports bra, I was sure EVERYONE could see. Truth is, not one even gave a glance. Why? Unlike before, my chest was not moving around. The bra was doing its job. Lifting and supporting and not allowing the girls to roam free, so there was nothing to catch the eye with.


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I’m overweight (BMI 26) and I am currently exercising and trying to cut down my food intake to get back to a normal, healthy weight range. I was a bit alarmed to see that your experience of weight loss included an increase of your chest appearance. I have seem a number of comments on this relating to the release of Estrogen as body fat reduces. Would you say that this effect is significant? Am I looking at going u another cup size, or is the effect just a perceived increase?

In my case, it was two fold. I yo-yo-ed in weight my whole adult life. So I had multiple estrogen releases. And each time I was a little larger and a little larger. I started out as a B, but over time, gaining and losing weight multiple times, it became additive. Not only fat, but glands as well. One time I would be a B, next time between a B and C and then a C and so forth. I now retain fat in a lot of the same places as women do such as breasts, tummy and hips. Only my breasts are pronounced. While my overall shape retains a male look, there are definite signs of feminine shaping due to a lifetime of enhanced levels of estrogen with reduced levels of testosterone. But this was me. Everyone reacts differently. You may not grow any at all.

Just know we are here for support and answer questions. Women are raised their whole childhood expecting breasts and what to do but men have no instruction on breasts and that effects how people react as well. There is no "Breasts" chapter in the male users manual.
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Acceptance / Re: Thank you for being there for us
« Last post by Beeches on July 26, 2020, 08:31:04 AM »
Well, one of the two photos uploaded. Here's the second one.
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Acceptance / Re: Thank you for being there for us
« Last post by Beeches on July 26, 2020, 08:27:52 AM »
Hi Johndoe1, and many thanks for your warm welcome.

Reading your words makes me feel so much better. Until very recently I was wearing a bra only on occasions where I absolutely needed to, such as during activities, or where I wanted to try to hide them on social occasions. I mostly used sports bras which work pretty well for both of those situations. I find that I can’t wear a sports bra for very long - I hate the feeling of being compressed, and they are also pretty uncomfortable in the warmer weather.

I far prefer the comfort of a conventional underwire, but with comfort comes more projection, and I am still very nervous about my bra being visible. Having now tried wearing a bra on a daily basis for a few days, I really like how it feels. The aches and nipple soreness have just vanished. I plan to try to stick with it and not get so concerned about how I might look to others. It seems that much of the anxiety about gynecomastia is of psychological origin, and I think it will be a lot easier if I can get past my hangups about it.

It helps a lot to read your account of your own experience, and I can most certainly see how my own behaviour has mirrored much of what you describe. I spent a while refusing to accept what was happening, and I have only slowly come to terms with my changed body. I tried finding out all I could about the condition and ho I might make the boobs go away. Of course, nothing worked, and they have very slowly continued to grow. I too have been through the slouching and oversize shirt phase, trying to dodge social occasions and so on. I really need to get to where you and others here have got to, and get comfortable with my body image.

I’m overweight (BMI 26) and I am currently exercising and trying to cut down my food intake to get back to a normal, healthy weight range. I was a bit alarmed to see that your experience of weight loss included an increase of your chest appearance. I have seem a number of comments on this relating to the release of Estrogen as body fat reduces. Would you say that this effect is significant? Am I looking at going u another cup size, or is the effect just a perceived increase?

Thank you so much for your extremely helpful advice on bra styles and suitability. I really do value any help  can get with this, and what you say makes perfect sense. i will definitely check out the bras and brands you mention. It sounds as if you have had similar experience as me with the side boob problem, so your recommendations could really help me out with bra choices. You are entirely correct in your deduction that I have shallow, wideset breasts and your comments about the choice of cup shape are exactly the sort of information I need and can never seem to find on web sites. I don’t have your years of hard-won experience, so really appreciate your guidance on this.

I will attempt to upload a couple of photos which I hope will show my chest shape with and without a bra. I hope this will work - I did try uploading photos before, and those posts never got beyond ‘Awaiting Approval’. Maybe the new site will work better…
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Acceptance / Time to share my pics
« Last post by perky on July 26, 2020, 07:29:57 AM »
Thought it was time to display my assets. Not the biggest you've ever seen but still growing slowly. Who's know when it will stop. 
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Acceptance / Re: Thank you for being there for us
« Last post by Johndoe1 on July 26, 2020, 07:16:34 AM »
Welcome Beeches. Your story is not much different than many others here. I developed in my teen years and tried to hid the fact in shame. Just like you, I didn't ask to have breasts. But now, I wouldn't know what to do or how to feel if I didn't have them.

Like Blad, there was no Internet to research what this condition was and I thought I was the only guy with boobs. The living in a vacuum is what makes this so much harder. After I found that I was just one of millions, that put a whole new take on the situation. But by this point, it had been decades for me. I had gone through not only mental and emotional issues about my chest, but also physical. To try and hide them, I did all the things you hear about. I slouched. Wore oversize tops. Became overweight to try and blend my chest with my belly. Became an introvert. But after I found out I was not alone and saw how others dealt with it, I started changing. I started dealing with my mental and emotional issues and my physical issues. I lost 100 pounds and while that increased the appearance of my chest, I started wearing bras and found I could shape my breasts to give the best appearance given for a top or situation and that gave me confidence I had not had since my preteen days and my life has improved. While I don't flaunt my chest, if I show, I don't freak out. I have also found that since I started wearing bras, people do not seem to notice my chest as much now since I have the power to shape what my chest looks like. That is power I didn't have before. I am more physically comfort than before. While, like many women, I would prefer not to have to wear a bra. They can be uncomfortable at times, and in the size I wear, expensive. I tried cheaper bras, but as the old saying goes, you get what you pay for and the cheap bras are not as comfortable or supportive or look as good as the more expensive bras. But also, like many women, I wouldn't be caught dead not wearing one now. The benefits greatly outweigh the disadvantage. Women figured all this out a long time ago. Bras are just cloth and wire. The stigma towards men and bras are a societal thing. As ABWG says, bras are for breasts, not for women.

Looking at the bra you listed, it would appear you are shallow and wideset so more fuller bras or bras where the gore is narrow will not work. That is not unusual for men. Our wider chests make that happen. You might want to look at Wacoal or Natori and cups that are more teardrop shaped or where the inner cup doesn't go so far toward the center of the chest like the Wacoal Halo Lace underwire or the La Femme tee shirt bra or the Natori Understated Bra or the Bliss Perfection, or the Minimal Convertable Bra. I wear these bras so I have first hand knowledge. And you really need to go get fitted to be sure you are wearing the correct bra you. I can't recommend a fitting enough and there are many stores with very understanding ladies who would happy to help you.

I too hate the side boob with my arms running into my breasts. That is a side effect of wideset breasts. Many women have this issue too. So look for bras that have slings in the cups or side support panels or boning in the wings. This will pull the tissue more to the center and you arms won't be hitting your breasts.
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