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Title: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: pe175 on April 16, 2005, 05:33:00 PM
I finally uploaded my pictures just to see what everyone's opinion is on the board.

I have a consultation with a PS this wednesday, however neither of my parents support my decision to and think i'm being stupid.

Anyway, tell me if you think its gyno or puffy nips, or whatever.

http://www.dsu.50megs.com/1.jpg

http://www.dsu.50megs.com/2.jpg

http://www.dsu.50megs.com/3.jpg

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Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: tonysoprano on April 16, 2005, 07:30:30 PM
the closest case I have seen to what I had, until 2.5  weeks ago (when I had my op)... though I'm saying this only based on  the middle pic.

I suspect that most toher people here will think you're totally normal, other than the obvious "non-flatness" of the middle picture.

I can't speak much for my results so far, as I'm still tryna work out whether I am happy with them... but the nipple puffiness is certainly improved.

I'd say you've got a very mild case right beneath your nipple , giving that mildly puffy look.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: vishal_chauhan on April 16, 2005, 08:09:04 PM
Pls dont tell me u think u have gyno.. u look more than normal dude! relax and enjoy the sun.

Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: jc71 on April 16, 2005, 08:23:06 PM
doesn't look like gyne to me.  I have to agree with your parents, I think you're stupid  ;D. maybe some better pics would help, it just doesn't look to me like you have it.  
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: atm311 on April 16, 2005, 09:22:06 PM
While all luck is relative, this guy is lucky! If he has a case of gyne, than it is very mild.....how ever, the rest of us would gladly trade him anyday.

I'd say chill out on the surgery or at least post some better pics.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: aux513s on April 16, 2005, 09:55:22 PM
I think you do have it, but it's definitely one of the mildest cases I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: Paa_Paw on April 16, 2005, 11:02:20 PM
I'd wager that there are a lot of guys here that are wishing they could look that good after surgery!

Your parents have my vote.  The cash needed for surgery would be better spent elsewhere.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: Spleen on April 17, 2005, 04:29:22 AM
There's a slight conical shape to your nipple but it's hardly gynecomastia.  You almost couldn't be in better shape.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: Blarneystoner on April 17, 2005, 06:11:11 AM
that's like nothing, honestly, I wouldn't notice if i was on a beach looking for ppl with gyne. Vishal is right. relax and enjoy the sun.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: pe175 on April 17, 2005, 06:30:29 AM
Yeah, I know my case is very mild, and I do feel almost stupid going for surgery.  The thing is, is that whenever I wear a tight shirt all you see is my nipple, and it ends up making me looking fat instead of in shape.  The puffy nipple pokes out more then my chest itself.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: pe175 on April 17, 2005, 07:17:17 AM
Would Andractim be something that I should try?  Do you think it would work well for me?
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: Spleen on April 17, 2005, 09:08:49 AM
Lots of guys have tried andractim and I have yet to  see one photo to support its efficacy.

If you go for surgery it's gonna cost you a lot of $$$ to fix a virtually invisible problem.  Guys are supposed to have nipples after all.  Also, don't forget that there are risks to surgery.  You risk complications, concave nipples, scarring, etc.  It might be cheaper and easier to work on your attitude about your body instead.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: pe175 on April 17, 2005, 11:02:52 AM
well i also think that the light was working in my benefit in these pictures.

I think the 1st and 2nd pictures illustrate it the best.  The 3rd you can't really tell anything.  If you look closely at the 1st picture you can see there is a light difference between my chest and right around my nipple.

For right now I'm using cutting gel made by nutra sport and will probably buy  some kind of diet pill.  Especially since the ban on ephedra was overturned.

Can you guys reccomend anything else that will help me nipples look normal?  Just atleast flat?  Andractim really won't help me?
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: ByeBye on April 17, 2005, 11:35:31 AM
If i would see you on the beach, I would never stop and take a second look at them in a million years. They are perfectly normal.

Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: pe175 on April 17, 2005, 11:43:39 AM
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If i would see you on the beach, I would never stop and take a second look at them in a million years. They are perfectly normal.



Well to be honest, if they were "perfectly normal" then I wouldn't be on this site asking questions.

I also know they aren't because whenever I go out I always need to wear a few layers, even in the middle of summer.

All i'm trying to accomplish is to get my nipples flat.  I'm content with the way they look when they are hard, but that clearly isn't all the time.

I guess i'll need ot post a picture of me with just 1 t-shirt on.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: nukem2k5 on April 17, 2005, 12:52:24 PM
I don't see why you're here.  You don't need people on the internet to tell you how you feel about the way you look.  If you think there's a problem, just go talk with a PS and see what he says.  I don't know what you're expecting to find out here.  
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: pe175 on April 17, 2005, 01:13:07 PM
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I don't know what you're expecting to find out here.  


I'm expecting to find out what you guys think.  I want to know whether people think its gynecomastia, or fat, or what.

Its simply to get an opinion.

If you took the time to read my initial post you would have read that I have a consultation with a PS this wednesday.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: nukem2k5 on April 17, 2005, 04:27:56 PM
I'm not trying to sound harsh or anything but when people say that they don't think it is, you still think it is.  I think it may be gland that you can have removed through excision.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: pe175 on April 17, 2005, 05:33:03 PM
Well so far i have gotten mixed replies.  Some say that I have nothing to worry about, where as others say its a very minor case.

I'm just trying to determine whether or not I should cancel my consultation for this wednesday.  I mean regardless the PS will say he can operate just to change the shape.  

I'm just curious if you guys think I may be able to change the way it looks with andractim, more exercise, cutting gels, etc.  Basically anything besides surgery.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: Spleen on April 18, 2005, 11:38:53 AM
You might want to look in to a condition called Body Dysmorphic Disorder.  
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: pe175 on April 18, 2005, 01:03:37 PM
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You might want to look in to a condition called Body Dysmorphic Disorder.  



I can't see how that reply was in anyway constructive.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: saile on April 18, 2005, 04:12:02 PM
a very very mild case, looks 100% gland to me though and fat cutting aids won't change the looks of it.

Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: nukem2k5 on April 18, 2005, 04:22:27 PM
Well from what I can see you have a very minor case that does push your nipples out a bit.  It's hard to see because of your nicely developed chest, but I can somewhat distinguish the gland.

Please do me/us a favor and post a few more pics from your side (like the 2nd pic).  From what I can see, though, you do have a minor case and if it is bothering you, you should feel free to get surgery to remove it.  One way of telling if it's really gland is to push deep around the whole area looking for lumps or any "chunk" of hard mass that may seem like it isn't fat, and therefore shouldn't be there.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: Spleen on April 19, 2005, 06:34:02 AM
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I can't see how that reply was in anyway constructive.


How so?  You've got a great physique and look perfectly ordinary to the average, reasonable person yet you're convinced you need surgery?  Your parents think you're fine, virtually all the opinions you've solicited here agree that you're fine, but you're unwilling to accept it?  Sorry, but that sounds a lot like BDD.  
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: AbNormal on April 19, 2005, 05:08:45 PM
I think an important distinction here is that he said that when he wears a tee shirt, his nipples stick out too much.  I have the same basic problem.  When I'm shirtless, I think I look pretty much normal, but when I have a tee shirt on, all you see is the distinct shape of the pec w/ the sticking out nipple, which can look like breasts.

I think I have a case similar to his, except one of my pecs is larger than the other, because I have more muscle on one side of my body than the other, so it makes the situation even worse, once people notice the nipples sticking out.  The fat in my pec lays on top of the muscle, and I end up hearing comments around me like "that dude's got a breast!", and other fun stuff.

In any case, there are cases where it can look normal shirtless, and actually look worse with just 1 shirt or even more layers on.  The problem is that the nipple sticks out, which isn't really noticable shirtless, but when you have a shirt on which is basically flat against your body and then you have two nipple-lumps up there, they are noticeable.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: Spleen on April 19, 2005, 05:11:05 PM
Men have nipples. There's no getting around that.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: pe175 on April 20, 2005, 06:04:25 AM
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Men have nipples. There's no getting around that.



You clearly can't understand what he and I are trying to convey.



My goal is use diet pills and cutting gels in an effort to shed off the last little amount of fat.  Hopefully it'll work.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: Spleen on April 20, 2005, 07:57:14 AM
Don't worry, the message is loud & clear, lol.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: doddy on April 20, 2005, 08:06:37 AM
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Men have nipples. There's no getting around that.


True, but the majority of men do not have nipples that poke through t-shirts.

I can totally understand why that would be embarrassing. I too had a minor case (although worse than yours, definitely) and went for the surgery. I feel much better for it.

It's your body and your money.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: pe175 on April 20, 2005, 12:43:02 PM
for those of you who know where i'm coming from, do you think Andractim would be something worthwhile to look into, or would it be a waste of money?
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: aux513s on April 20, 2005, 05:25:39 PM
Spleen,

You can clearly see a small amount of gland in the nipple. There is no way this guy has Body Dysmorphic Disorder.

A mild problem is still a problem and shouldn't be dismissed as not existing.

I have it much worse than this guy. I told my mom about it and she is in total denial and says it's "all in my head". It's frustrating and annoying when people dismiss gyno in this way because of a defense mechanism. That's what you're doing here Spleen.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: Spleen on April 21, 2005, 08:51:59 AM
I gotta disagree aux.  I consider myself a reasonable person and have to call it as I see it.  You need to be able to say when the emperor wears no clothes.  It's hard to do here because this is a place for the ultra-sensitive to find solace or company.  The downside of this, IMO, is that as a group we encourage each other to feel badly about our appearance and re-enforce the idea that gynecomastia is something shameful, horrible and life-ruining.  To be quite honest, I would say that the majority of guys that have gynecomastia either a) don't know they have it, or b) don't care.  I never would have called my pepperoni nips gyne until I came here.  That was my perception before, and now I see that at least by the consensus here I fall well within the range.  Still, where do you set the bar?  In the past two weeks there's been a spate of pix of what look to be perfectly normal, average guys and while the consensus had typically been "no", there's always a "yes" in the group.  The funny thing is it's the one "yes" that the concerned party listens to.

And I'm not in the anti-surgery crowd either.  I go in 2 weeks to get cut, etc.  I don't care either way if someone wants surgery or not.  pe175 is clearly unhappy and he's a big boy who doesn't need or may not care about old Spleen's opinion.  Still, I have to challenge the idea that even the slightest deviation from some perceived body "norm" ought to be met with shame, deception and neurosis.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: Spleen on April 21, 2005, 08:59:03 AM
Sorry for hijacking this thread, BTW.  Next time I'll try to keep my rants elsewhere.  

Spleen
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: aux513s on April 21, 2005, 10:20:25 AM
It's not reasonable to say someone has body dysmorphic disorder when the flaw they're talking about actually exists. At worst, you can say this guy is being overly sensitive, but it's definitely not something he's making up out of nowhere.

You say "it's the one yes that the concerned party listens to"...

there have been five or six different "yes" answers to this post, not just one.

He has an extremely mild case, if I looked like him I wouldn't care about it. However, it's still gyno.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: Spleen on April 21, 2005, 01:02:15 PM
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It's not reasonable to say someone has body dysmorphic disorder when the flaw they're talking about actually exists.  


Just for the record, it is reasonable:

Body dysmorphic disorder (BDD), a distressing and impairing preoccupation with an imagined or slight defect in appearance...

Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: pe175 on April 21, 2005, 07:04:31 PM
Spleen is entitled to his opinion whatever it may be.

However, your last few replies are in no way helping me with the questions I asked so I think its best if you refrain from posting unless you have something constructive to say.

My questions is... do you think Andractim would be beneficial in my case?

I'm looking for ANY ALTERNATIVE to surgery just because of the lack of support i'm recieving.

Right now I'm using cutting gel and started to take diet pills.  I'm hoping this combined with a lot of sunlight may work in my favor.

any other suggestions?
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: STILLgotIT on April 22, 2005, 07:50:34 AM
pe175, I think you look GREAT.

If I were you I would not have surgery. You are lean and lightly muscular. Your nipples are not very puffy, they just have a mild point to them. I don't think that is something to be worried about.

All in all, you should forget about this site and your chest and move on.

That's just my opinion.

Good luck to you in whatever you choose.

Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: STILLgotIT on April 22, 2005, 07:53:03 AM
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Yeah, I know my case is very mild, and I do feel almost stupid going for surgery.  The thing is, is that whenever I wear a tight shirt all you see is my nipple, and it ends up making me looking fat instead of in shape.  The puffy nipple pokes out more then my chest itself.



Post some pics of you in a shirt (from the front) so we can see what you are referring to.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: STILLgotIT on April 22, 2005, 08:08:24 AM
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I'm looking for ANY ALTERNATIVE to surgery just because of the lack of support i'm recieving.

Right now I'm using cutting gel and started to take diet pills.  I'm hoping this combined with a lot of sunlight may work in my favor.

any other suggestions?


If it is your [ever so mild] pointy nips that you are worried about, no amount of gel or dieting will change it. It is not a bodyfat problem, as evidenced by your terrific conditioning.

You likely have a small amount of gland underneath the areola. Diet and excercise WILL NOT get rid of it. You could hit the gym and focus on your upper pecs, shoulders, and triceps and that would "dwarf" your nips in comparison. If you added mass to your shoulders (barbell military press, etc). then it would cause your t-shirts to hang on your body a little differently. Don't do any bench presses or flat dumbell presses. You want to go for the Greek statue look. They had large, massively towering shoulders and arms with lightly developed pecs. I think it looks a lot better than today's bodybuilders do with their huge pecs.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: pe175 on April 22, 2005, 10:37:41 AM
I will post some pictures of me in tight shirts just to show you guys what I mean.

I also agree with you on the exercises.  I'm trying to get more definition between my upper chest and shoulders.  I want to get that crease that goes from your armpit to neck. (i don't know if you guys know what I mean).
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: headheldhigh01 on April 25, 2005, 11:29:00 PM
pe, agree with aux.  for some people if you're smaller than a b-cup it's all just imagination, and it's not.  that's a mild case, but it's gyne, not too dissimilar from mine, and i'm guessing you can even feel the disk material.  no, andractim won't do squat for you, your case would be an excision only.  
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: pe175 on April 26, 2005, 08:28:25 AM
I don't really feel anything hard or disk like under my nipple.  If I push hard enough and rub I just feel my rib cage.  Everything else feels like fat.

(i will be posting more pics soon)
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: help_me87 on April 26, 2005, 05:20:21 PM
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I'd wager that there are a lot of guys here that are wishing they could look that good after surgery!

Your parents have my vote.  The cash needed for surgery would be better spent elsewhere.


so true.
Looks normal to me.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: Paa_Paw on April 27, 2005, 09:32:00 PM
I will have to back up what spleen said.

Body Dysmorphic Disorder commonly refers to an individual who is obsessive about a percieved fault when an unbiased observer does not percieve a dysmorphic condition.

The term could also be used to describe an Obsessive preocupation with a very minor or trivial dysmorphic feature.

People with BDD become so obsessive that they will not be satisfied and if prevented from having surgery may actually become suicidal. Because they have unrealistic expectations regarding their own form and the surgical outcome, Dissatisfaction with the post-operative result is common.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: pe175 on May 01, 2005, 02:08:24 PM
Sorry it took so long but I finally got some more pictures up.  

Let me know your thoughts

(you need to copy and past the links)

With a shirt
http://dsu.50megs.com/Image005.jpg

Without
http://dsu.50megs.com/Image006.jpg

http://dsu.50megs.com/Image007.jpg


Do you think my case is fat or gland?

Should I try Rebound XT?
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: gynegoawayplz on May 01, 2005, 02:31:51 PM
i think you are an idiot and you need your ass kicked.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: aux513s on May 01, 2005, 02:39:18 PM
Your case is probably glandular, because you don't seem to have much overall body fat.

To try rebound XT would depend on when your gyno developed. If you recently developed this as a result of taking steroids, then yes it would probably work. However, if this is something you've had for a long time then I would just save up for surgery.
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: pe175 on May 01, 2005, 03:33:03 PM
I have never used a steroid of any kind and have probably had this since about 8th grade.

Any other reccomendations?
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: pe175 on May 02, 2005, 01:32:38 PM
anyone?
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: Blarneystoner on May 02, 2005, 03:46:55 PM
if you looked bad i would tell you, you look good dude, relax. if someone said something to you theyre retarded
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: pe175 on May 02, 2005, 05:02:36 PM
Do you think Rebound XT or Andractim would be beneficial to me at all?

I know my case is minor but do you think its fat or gland?
Title: Re: Finally Got my pics up
Post by: pe175 on June 05, 2005, 06:21:36 PM
Just curious....

If I was to take the surgery route, do you think I would need any lipo at all, or would excision be enough?  thanks.
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